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Trump not doing well in Iowa - Beeno in mourning

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 05:33
#1
02 Feb 2016, 05:33#1
With 99% of the vote counted the result was as follows:-
Cruz    =    43 052  -   28%Trump  =    37 868  -   24%Rubio   =    35 791  -   23%
The figures are not final - but as I have warned the opinion polls did not translate to actual votes.   
Beeno is weeping crocodile tears at preset as Cruz won the vote in Iowa.   .    
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Feb 2016, 06:16
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02 Feb 2016, 06:16#2
 Sanity prevails as it always will although it makes sense as to why one lunatic would want another to succeed. Nice header....there you go Boentjies...
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
02 Feb 2016, 06:23
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02 Feb 2016, 06:23#3
 Still waiting for your apology on the 7s Mike.........
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 07:15
#4
02 Feb 2016, 07:15#4
 No apology Moolaa.   I would rather see a neutral referee in any event.    
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 07:23
#5
02 Feb 2016, 07:23#5
 Denny
I think the same is going to happen in New Hampshire next week - with Cruz ad Rubio the real competitors.  Close call between those two.   Both would be excellent candidates for the Republican Party.     

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Feb 2016, 08:12
#6
02 Feb 2016, 08:12#6
 Don't really care, Mickey....just love it when Boentjies is made to look like a loudmouth godforsaken clown.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 08:27
#7
02 Feb 2016, 08:27#7
 ou maaaikie when you are in agreement with that plank and little echo dense denise you should know you are on the wrong track in the vast majority of cases. The Evangelicals supported Cruz and I think after Trump he is the only other candidate worth considering in the Republicans.This was always going to be close. However Trump will surge ahead hereafter. He is 22% clear in New Hampshire.Gooooo President Trump.I think ou dense denise is green with envy because of all Trumps brilliant success as a business man and now as a politician. He is far to dumb to understand a top flight brain like Trump. Its like asking a chimp to assess  a human. The gulf is vast!
He is also too dumb to understand Iowa was always going to be Cruz's biggest chance.
ED could we have a special board for dense denise and warped DUd  - if the dope ever returns. Thick planks like this drag down the quality of the board! 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 08:31
#8
02 Feb 2016, 08:31#8
 ou maaaikie if you really were up to speed you would know that Iowa has a history of being very hard to call as so many commentators said before the event. Please don't pass off your knowing this as some special sort of wisdom. Bwhahahahahahahahahaha
ou maaaikie trying to bask in some reflected glory!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 09:52
#9
02 Feb 2016, 09:52#9
 Beeno
I am afraid that when it comnes to the polling booth there are too much counting against Trump,   He has too many negatives to be selected.  Lets be quite frank - in opinion polls before the Iowa caucuses - Trump had a lead of 37% to 19% for Cruz.  That narrowed down to a win by Cruz by 28% of the vote.
If I was Trump I would worry about Rubio more than anybody else, since he was the guy that took most votes away from Trump more than even Cruz did.  I have studied US politics and Trump has some really problems going to come up in the Bible belt states.
I think the signs are bad also for Clinton and Sanders.  The voters seems to be sick and tired of the present political establishment.   Clinton and Sanders are both old and even though Sanders try to portray an anti-establishment impression - he is still far too old to be selected with far too many reactionary ideas.  Reagan was older - but he was an entirely different scenario with a very wide support base, that went back to 1964 and he had been Governor of California and hugely popular in that State.    
As I said above - I think ultimately it would be a fight for candidacy by Cruz and Rubio, with the latter perhaps with the best chance in Florida and Cruz in Texas.  Both will attract the Latino vote and that would be crucial in those two states, as well as in New Mexico, Colorado, California and even New York.
             


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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Feb 2016, 10:11
#10
02 Feb 2016, 10:11#10
Beeno, poor Don got his comeuppance, was it the ref's fault?
But seriously your record for picking winners is abysmal. Don is a loony perhaps this is the attraction.
JW trying to offer help to the helpless

Bring back the croc mumbled the fair-minded kiwi
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 11:24
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02 Feb 2016, 11:24#11
 ou maaaikie you are talking about the national polls!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Cruz was leading in Iowa and only very recently after the the Palin endorsement did Trump edge ahead. Everyone said it would be close and it was.Cruz has had his moment but has no hope of beating trump apart from a coalition. However Cruz is more disliked than Trump in the GOP it appears.
The only dopes thinking Trump is a loony are the real loonies so brainwashed by the PC media run by the global elite. Its frightening how so many weak minded dopes can be so easily duped!
JW please make sure you are at the front of the queue re the head transplant matter!
A mon keys head would be an improvement. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 11:29
#12
02 Feb 2016, 11:29#12
 ou maaaikie have you actually been following the USA elections.Latest poll I saw gave trump 41! nationally. More than double Cruz.
Ou JW has no clue but I did expect better from you!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 11:34
#13
02 Feb 2016, 11:34#13
 Soem perspective from the Palin:

Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin posted the following to her Facebook page tonight after the GOP Iowa caucus results were announced showing Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% winning, followed by Donald Trump coming in second, and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79% in third:

Tonight = America wins, the permanent political class does not, and that is good! To restore Constitutional government the status quo has got to go; the Iowa caucus proves many Americans feel the same. The top three candidates, fueled by our independent, grassroots tea party movement, take 70% of the vote in this unique Iowa caucus. Now this healthy, hearty competition moves to NH, SC and beyond. Those of us proud to be on Team Trump thank Iowa supporters and look forward to forging ahead to make America great again with the candidate proving a record of success and strength that is so needed. The tangible Commonsense Conservative solutions requiring a doer, not a talker, will restore American exceptionalism. Onward and upward, America!

KICK OUT THE CORRUPT ELITE AND THE MEDIA THEY OWN WHO HAVE BRAINWASHED WEAK MINDED FOLK AND WHO ARE RUINING THE USA.



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 11:38
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02 Feb 2016, 11:38#14
 GREAT PERSPECTIVE FROM TRUMP:

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said he was “honored” with his second place finish in the Iowa caucuses and vowed that he will win the nomination and beat “whoever the hell” the Democrats nominate in a speech in Iowa on Monday night.(WELL IT SURE SEEMS MORE AND MORE LIKELY!!)

Trump said, “[O]n June 16th, when we started this journey, there were 17 candidates. I was told by everybody, ‘Do not go to Iowa. You could never finish even in the top ten.’ And I said, ‘But I have friends in Iowa. I know a lot of people in Iowa. I think they’ll really like me. Let’s give it a shot.’ They said, ‘Don’t do it.’ I said, ‘I have to do it.’ And, we finished second, and I want to tell you something, I’m just honored, I’m really honored.”

Trump then congratulated all the other candidates, mentioning Iowa’s winner Texas Senator 

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% and former Arkansas Mike Huckabee, who suspended his campaign, by name.

After thanking his staff and family, Trump stated, “We have a poll, we’re 28 points ahead, okay? New Hampshire. We love New Hampshire. We love South Carolina. And we’re leaving tonight, and tomorrow afternoon, we’ll be in New Hampshire, and that’ll be something special. It’s going to be a great week, and we’re going to be up here next week. And I think we’re going to be proclaiming victory, I hope.” He added,  “I don’t know who’s going to win between Bernie and Hillary. I don’t know what’s going to happen with Hillary, she’s got other problems, maybe bigger than the problems she’s got, in terms of nominations, but we’ve had so many different indications, and polls that we beat her, and we beat her easily. And we will go on to get the Republican nomination, and we will go on to easily beat Hillary, or Bernie, or whoever the hell they throw up there.”

Trump concluded, “Iowa, we love you. We thank you. You’re special. We will be back many, many times. In fact, I think I might come here and buy a farm, I love it.”

THIS GUY IS A WINNER. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 11:47
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02 Feb 2016, 11:47#15
 

With just hours left to go before Iowa caucus goers cast their votes, living legend and conservative icon Phyllis Schlalfy warns Iowa voters: 2016 may be America’s last chance.

Our immigration policy has been anti-American, decade after decade, and the voters need to know that 2016 might be our last chance to elect a president who can reduce this tide of illegals crossing our borders,” Schlafly writes in a column set to run tomorrow, an exclusive copy of which was given to Breitbart News.

Schlalfy’s op-ed heavily cites 

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)80%, thought leader for the nation-state philosophy. The conservative heroine writes: “Our nation’s sovereignty depends on control of both immigration and trade, and that’s why Senator Sessions urges voters to choose a candidate who promises to kill the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal with nearly a dozen Asian nations.”

Phyllis Schlalfy has previously expressed her support for Donald Trump’s candidacy. Schlafly told Breitbart News that Trump “is the only hope to defeat the Kingmakers.”

He represents everything the grassroots want,” Schlafly explained, specifically highlighting Trump’s America-first platform on immigration and trade.

On Saturday, Donald Trump’s campaign told Breitbart News exclusively that his presidency is the only way to stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Though the transformative global pact has received little media coverage, and virtually no attention in the corporate media debates, the Obama Administration is set to sign it on February 4th in New Zealand. Due to Fast Track, Congress will not be able to filibuster or amend the agreement.

The Chamber of Commerce has predicted that Congressional approval of the “implementing legislation” will occur after the election; the Chamber of Commerce President, Tom Donohue, has also said that he expects Hillary Clinton to support the TPP if she is elected, underscoring Trump’s point that his victory would be a necessary step to preventing the United States from joining the TPP and its concomitant governance body.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79% has endorsed the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement on multiple occasions, going so far as to describe Obama’s trade agenda as the “second pillar” of a President Rubio’s foreign policy strategy. Rubio’s campaign has also refused to provide any evidence to suggest he read the bill before providing the 60th vote to Fast Track it. Schlafly has said the media is “protecting” Rubio, and she said earlier that Rubio should be “eliminate[d] from serious consideration” for the race for pushing amnesty in Spanish while trying to convince voters otherwise in English. The icon has alsodescribed Rubio’s immigration agenda as “anti-American” and “dangerous.”

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% co-authored an op-ed with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)56% in the Wall Street Journal in favor of Obamatrade as well. However, unlike Rubio, Cruz reversed his vote on Fast-Track and said he would oppose TPP “in its current form .” Cruz said that he changed his position on the matter because of specific concerns regarding the deal’s changes to U.S. immigration law and provisions regarding the export-import bank.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Feb 2016, 11:54
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02 Feb 2016, 11:54#16
Uh-oh . . . the cracks are starting to show!

After all his boasting and bragging about how he was going to win Iowa, F*ckface Von Clownstick is finding out the hard way that he will not be able to bluster his way to the Republican nomination.

The kind of American redneck hillbilly who votes Republican might be incredibly stupid but he's not that stupid that he doesn't recognize a debate-dodging coward . . . or a fake christian who blathers on about "Corinthians Two" instead of the "second Book of Corinthians" . . . or a delusional sociopath who reckons he could shoot an innocent bystander in New York and not lose any votes.

The wheels are starting to come off for the Von Clownstick comedy show and their naive and stupid supporters!

The real winners in Iowa were Bernie Sanders and Marco Rubio who both exceeded expectations and consolidated their positions.

Last year I predicted Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio would be the respective candidates for the presidential election. I'm still sticking with Rubio who will just get stronger as other Republican candidates drop out, but I'm starting to wonder if Hillary is going to hold off the surging Sanders!
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
02 Feb 2016, 12:07
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02 Feb 2016, 12:07#17
 Really hope Bernie Sanders wins the democrat nomination!
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
02 Feb 2016, 12:12
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02 Feb 2016, 12:12#18

It seems that the delegates selection is a proportional system which means that the Iowa primary was pretty much a non-event with the front runners getting more or less the same number of delegates. Bernie and Hillary will share the number of delegates, while there will not be much difference between Cruz (7), Trump (6) and Rubio (6). The real surprise was the strong performance by Rubio.


Mike, I think the poll you refer to is a national poll and will not reflect individual counties.

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Feb 2016, 12:17
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02 Feb 2016, 12:17#19
Wehe . . .

"My grandparents didn't come to America all the way from Germany to see it get taken over by immigrants. Not on my watch."

Just how stupid is this guy?

LMAO!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 12:21
#20
02 Feb 2016, 12:21#20
Beeno
There is one thing to learn about US politics and that is that opinion polls do not necessarily translate to victory at the polls.  I learnt it a long time ago - matter of fact with Reagan's initial election after trailing Carter by 14% points in 1980.  Reagan won by a landslide.  
By the time voters cast their ballots - they have to think about te implications.  Trump might trumpet what they really think - but that may not be reflected in the actual voting.
Fact is that Cruz has learnt the lesson - to be too close to the estbalishment in Washington is at present a NO-NO - and that is helping him - despite the fact that he is not favoured by the Republican leadership.    


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 12:32
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02 Feb 2016, 12:32#21
 Cruz was always way ahead in Iowa ou maaaikie. He comes poor second elsewhere.Please also note the comment made by blikkies which is entirely correct.
I see the oak that needs a head transplant - ou rooitwit  - is babbling away! 
The big thing happening is the move away from the corrupt self serving global elitists who are running the the USA into the ground. There never has been so momentous an election and Trump and Cruz must win. Rubio is too establishment.
Its amazing how some on this board are so duped by elitist media propaganda!! oaks like JW simply are PC media parrots - ditto ou rooitwit who always sucks everything up without any thought.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 12:35
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02 Feb 2016, 12:35#22
 Rooinek
I differ from you here where you wrote "The kind of American redneck hillbilly who vote Republican"  is in fact totally wrong.   The Republicans represent in the main the better-educated Americans - the democrats the poorer and less-educated people.   
I think Rubio has a chance to beat Cruz - but I think it is between those two candidates for the Republican nomination.   There are way too many probables.   Both are from Cuba descend and will attract many Latino votes.   Cruz is from the more populous Texas - but he has an advantage in the Bible belt states - since he is not a Catholic - which Rubio is.
I would give the two of them a 50:50 chance of candidacy for the Republican Party.         
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 13:35
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02 Feb 2016, 13:35#23
All indications thus far are that Trump will win the GOP nomination.
Indications are also that he will beat Hillary clink - assuming Hillary runs as she faces being prosecuted soon. 
Trump has over twice the support that Cruz has and its growing. 
Trump is the guy to free the USA from global elitist slavery. The anti establishment wave is growing by the day. Trump has done an amazing job.
Go President Trump!!!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 13:42
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02 Feb 2016, 13:42#24
Beeno
We will see next week after the New Hampshire Primary - but my guess is that the situation will be that Trump will come in third after Cruz and Rubio.   They call it momentum - so let see what happens,
     


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2016, 13:50
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02 Feb 2016, 13:50#25
 Trump ideas dominate GOP candidates. See how he has influenced other contenders especially Rubio who obviously isa guy who will say what he thinks will get him votes. Trump though has brought forard these issues which the PC thought would sink him like a stone.
Ex The Atlantic

Marco Rubio’s last minute surge in Iowa has a lot in common with John Kerry’s last minute surge to victory in Iowa in 2004. Like Rubio, Kerry was an early frontrunner. Like Rubio, Kerry underperformed all fall as an anti-establishment candidate (Howard Dean) came from nowhere to dominate the field. Like Rubio, Kerry benefitted in the closing weeks from a nasty battle between the two Iowa frontrunners (Dean and Richard Gephardt). Like Rubio, Kerry counterpunched in those final weeks by stressing his electability. Among the Iowans who called electability “crucial” to their vote, Kerry beat Dean by 16 points. Among the Iowans who said they cared most about which candidate could “win in November,” Rubio beat Trump by 18.

For party insiders, Kerry’s success proved that Democratic voters had come to their senses; that Dean’s moment had come and gone. But that wasn’t right. Kerry had beaten Dean not by challenging the Vermont governor’s anti-war message but by pledging to more effectively sell it. In October, Kerry voted against a bill to fund the Iraq war he had once voted to authorize and “began to sound more and more like an antiwar candidate.” One poll found that 13 percent of Iowa voters considered Kerry the candidate best described as having “opposed the war.” As Dean’s pollster would later lament, Kerry was “liberally borrowing our message.”

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This year, Rubio did something similar. He surged by borrowing Trump’s message while pledging to more effectively package it. In the final weeks before Iowa, Rubio grew markedly more anti-immigration. Having previously warned against using terrorism as a pretext to restrict legal immigration, the Florida senator in mid-January declared that because of the rise of ISIS, “the entire system of legal immigration must now be reexamined for security first and foremost.” He also followed Trump’s lead on trade, suggesting that he might oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement he had once praised.

Rubio echoed Trump when it came to the rights of Muslims, too. Asked in a January debate about Trump’s call for banning Muslim immigration, Rubio praised the billionaire for having “tapped in to some of that anger that’s out there about this whole issue because this president has consistently underestimated the threat of ISIS.” Then, after talking about how awful ISIS is, Rubio declared that, “When I’m president. If we do not know who you are, and we do not know why you are coming when I am president, you are not getting into the United States of America.” The listener who didn’t already know Rubio’s position might well have thought he supports Trump’s plan. When asked about Trump’s call for closing mosques, Rubio did Trump one better, declaring that, “It’s not about closing down mosques. It’s about closing down any place—whether it’s a cafe, a diner, an Internet site—any place where radicals are being inspired.”

Rubio also began hinting that President Obama was a kind of traitor. “Barack Obama,” he warned darkly, “has deliberately weakened America.” He wants to “cut [America] down to size.” And having once pitched himself as a bridge between the GOP and the changing face of twenty-first century America, Rubioinstead began appealing to “all of us who feel out of place in our own country.”

Comparatively, Rubio remains the “moderate” in the GOP race, just as Kerry was among the Democrats in 2004. But Trump has redefined what “moderate” means. In 2008 and 2012, Mitt Romney and John McCain never had to praise a rival for suggesting a religious litmus test for entering the country. During their presidential bids, Romney and McCain both shifted right on illegal immigration. But they didn’t backpedal on their support for legal immigration. And they never implied that Obama trying to sabotage a country he didn’t really love.

Trump may have lost in Iowa but Trumpism won. The fact that the moderate in the GOP race is now peddling a version of The Donald’s message testifies to how profound his effect has been. And it’s not likely to dissipate anytime soon.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 14:53
#26
02 Feb 2016, 14:53#26
 Beeno
The above is a load of tripe.  Lets face facts.   The day before the Iowa caucuses Trump in an opinion poll had 31% support.  He slipped down to 24% when the election finally took place.   In the same poll Cruz was 24% and Rubio 15%.   When the actual voting took place the result was vastly different.   Trump got 24% of the actual vote and Cruz and Rubio got 28% and 23% respectively.   Trump lost a lot of support as the final figures indicate.
Who is the moderates in the Republican Party who is peddling a version of Trump's message?   Definitely not Cruz and Rubio - both were rated as Conservatives long before Trump started his campaign abd Cruz was also a Tea Party supporter.   .          
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Feb 2016, 15:48
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02 Feb 2016, 15:48#27
Mike 
Who will be the next president of the United States?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Feb 2016, 16:40
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02 Feb 2016, 16:40#28
Cruz is not electable nationally. The very positions which guaranteed a win in Iowa, doom him in the country as a whole. Ben Carson has also provided tweets showing Cruz operatives lied about him getting out of the race, swinging voters to Cruz. He is viewed as slippery.
Rubio may electable be if he finds the right generational balance. He is very quick on his feet and has youth on his side, always a plus when the electorate is disillusioned as they are now.
Trump is a total mystery. He resonates with a lot of people who despise politicians. But he lost in Iowa because his team never built a ground game....a classical bit of political naïveté. And one of his amazing bombshells may finally do him. But yesterday's result in a state like Iowa is actually very strong, particularly given he insulted them by shunning the debate.
Sanders is also not electable. But Hillary has a long record of dishonesty....most compellingly captured in a video from the Bosnian war. She said when her jet touched down there was gunfire and they had to rush into the terminal. The video by contrast shows a band, a welcoming committee and a little girl presenting flowers. She will probably be the democratic candidate...but it could all go pear shaped if any of the e mail revelations have bite. She only got 16% of the under 30 vote last night!

It is highly unpredictable. There is no compelling presidential candidate. Rubio would  make a very strong vice presidential candidate.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2016, 16:40
#29
02 Feb 2016, 16:40#29
 DA
It is early days yet - but whomsoever  the Republican Party nominates as candidate other than Trump - will be the next President.   My guess for a variety of reasons will be either Rubio or Cruz.
The RP establishment will prefer Rubio - who is slightly less conservative than Cruz.
My forecast is either Rubio or Cruz will win the next presidential election.  
Incidentally the Democratic Party can put ip their Donkey and he will beat Trump in the Presidential election.           
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Feb 2016, 17:09
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02 Feb 2016, 17:09#30
I wouldn't write Trump off at all 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Feb 2016, 17:16
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02 Feb 2016, 17:16#31
 Me neither. Hillary might be in real trouble with the emails and Sanders is just too left...add the 2 terms of Democrat indecision and a moderate Republican should walk it.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Feb 2016, 20:21
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02 Feb 2016, 20:21#32
Every Republican candidate is beatable. The country will shy away from Cruz's religion, Rubio's youth and unfamiliarity and Trump's aberrant style. The voters get it wrong sometimes, but they take the responsibility of electing their leader seriously.
The Dems could have won this with Biden, I think, given the Republican field. He has a bit of Obama gloss and a street fighter style that appeals to Dems. But it's getting very late and even if Hillary exited today, the sense that Bernie had been shafted could wrack the party.
As of today it's still President Hillary in the absence of  a fatal revelation.
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Feb 2016, 22:51
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02 Feb 2016, 22:51#33
Trump's reaction to the Iowa results Looks like he felt that
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Feb 2016, 23:32
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02 Feb 2016, 23:32#34
If only half of the emails rumours are true, Hillary is in trouble....and it boggles the mind that she would even have her own private account while SoS. Such a stupid, naive mistake...and apparently quite criminal if the mails were top secret, which some were apparently. Many others have gone to jail for less.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Feb 2016, 01:45
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03 Feb 2016, 01:45#35
 Mozart
What  exactly is Cruz's religion?   Don't you think Biden is weak - he showed zero as a VP and looked very much like decoration to me.   He is already near to 74 - an age when selection to president is rare.   Other than Reagan who was an exception to the rule - candidates over the age of 70 is a rarity in recent times and Sanders is even older.  Clinton is no spring chicken either.   Have the Democrats no younger leaders of note?                                                                                    
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Feb 2016, 08:44
#36
03 Feb 2016, 08:44#36
 Dr Mozzzzz the fatal revelation has already occurred and wee hillary clink will be prosecuted or under such a huge cloud she will sink.
Go Trump, the man to break the PC rubbish and do what is necessary. The political facts ar clear. The globalist, multiculturist elite control the economy and the mainstream media. Trump is taking them on and winning. Ordinary folk are very angry at their nonsense and self serving agendas. Very angry.
Nationally Trump was up to 41% which is virtually unheard of in such a large GOP filed.Polls are also showing he would beat the liar hillary clink and save the USA from more years of obama type disaster. One article I saw said the national debt had increased under obama/clinton from 10 trillion to 20 trillion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!All Americans need to wake up and give these global elitists the boot NOW. Another 8 year of hillary could sink even the USA. She is completely in the pocket of the elitists.
Trumps ideas are far from aberrant. They are sound and need implementing ASAP.
What is great to see is the way the GOP is dominated by two guys not that far apart on policy. Trump though is the man ready now to meet the challenges. 
Cant see the democrats winning this. The obama/clinton debacle has been so bad the Americans cant be that daft to put in a women the majority of Americans don't trust. As Draad says she is facing very serious legal issues

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Feb 2016, 09:22
#37
03 Feb 2016, 09:22#37
Beeno
There is a problem her that Beeno fails to understand.   Trump is weak since he does not have he staff on the ground to help his election effort.  Most of the staff generally used by candidates shy away from him and that was he basic reason for his relatively poor showing in Iowa.   Both Cruz and Rubio has that network in place - since they fought major senatorial elections beforehnd.  
For example in the last three days before the Iowa Caucuses Cruz's staff phoned more than 20 000 voters and Trump was immobile - thinking that the standing in the polls would help him win.  It is no use to have opinion poll support if you cannot get your supporters to vote and for that a sound support network is necessary.   Trump never fought an election and does not realize what is required.    This was clear from a panel discussion on the issue of the Iowa caucuses and he has the same problem in New Hampshire and elsewhere.
Even if Trump has 41% support in opinion polls - it is not enough to ensure that he wins the nomination.  You must remember that the number of candidates will go out and the people supporting those candidates will not join Trump - but since they are moderate elements in the RP, will rather go for Rubio or even Cruz.   There are a number of key major states where Trump must win and that is not going to happen.  Those States include California, Texas, New York, Florida and Georgia, with Ohio and Illinois on the next level.  No Republican candidate can win at the convention without the support of the Southern States and the Bible belt states and that is highly unlikely to happen.
Another major factor in the ultimate presidential election will be the possibility of a Liberal Party candidate - who will in the end take away votes from the DP.  There is already whispers about that happening and with Clinton under a cloud and Sanders a No-No that may easily happen.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Feb 2016, 10:38
#38
03 Feb 2016, 10:38#38
  Most of the staff generally used by candidates shy away from him and that was he basic reason for his relatively poor showing in Iowa.Ou maaaikie please oak get with it. Last year trump was way down in the polls in Iowa. He caught up amazingly well.What evidence to you have staff generally shy away from him.His election staff are doing an amazing job. His high polling in a cluttered field bear testimony from of that! He has built a business empire and one reason is he handles staff well.
Trump has a MASSIVE lead in the polls and Cruz will not come near him as the election goes on!!More and more EGG has landed on anti Trump nutters. Long may this continue.
You are also not reali sing Trump is getting a lot of support from the evangelicals - as Iowa showed (Cruz was only ahead by a mere 4%). Trump is favourably disposed towards Christianity and has the guts do do the necessary.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Feb 2016, 10:46
#39
03 Feb 2016, 10:46#39
 
Trump is a bombastic loud mouth.

There is nothing about him that inspires one to support him.

Too much broccoli beandip ... too much broccoli.


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
03 Feb 2016, 10:58
#40
03 Feb 2016, 10:58#40
The problem is.......as many already know
Trump is saying exactly what millions of American people are thinking and want to say out loud themselves at times, but are too scared of the repercussions to do so.
Simple really.......and a very interesting approach
 
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