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Uh Oh Arctic ice is growing....contributing to a fall in sea levels.

Started by Mozart10 REPLIES441 VIEWS· 02 Nov 2015, 17:15
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Nov 2015, 17:15
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02 Nov 2015, 17:15#1
A new study suggests Antarctica isn't shrinking after all — it's getting larger.

The latest data from NASA shows Antarctica is actually gaining ice mass thanks to snow and instead of driving sea level rise, may actually be slowing it down.

NASA says this "challenges" the latest published findings from the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which show Antarctica is losing ice and driving sea level rise.

The proof, according to NASA, is Antarctica's inland snowfall. Jay Zwally, the agency's lead cryosphere researcher, says, "Our main disagreement is for east Antarctica and the interior of west Antarctica — there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas."

You have to love this....from the Warming groupies favourite source.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Nov 2015, 17:35
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02 Nov 2015, 17:35#2
 I thought it was the freezing reception Bok fans were giving Meyer that was contributing to the growth the ice in Antarctic. This has offset the effects of global warming it is so extreme.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Nov 2015, 17:45
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02 Nov 2015, 17:45#3
 Well this is just one set back....there is the predicted decline in solar activities 10 years from now....the conclusion that amazon trees are growing while sucking up CO2.....and the OZ government scientist's findings that carbon has been incorrectly over represented in global warming models. And of course the complete absence of any signs of warming.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Nov 2015, 22:48
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02 Nov 2015, 22:48#4
Thanks for.the info Moz bjt you will that half baked ab ass all in.a froth again. He believes in global warming and doesnt like the facts interfering.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Nov 2015, 23:35
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02 Nov 2015, 23:35#5
Hahahaha yep you wonder how Basque, that sincere believer in liberal fairy stories will react to this. Hold on....wait a week and the Warmers will come up with a theory that the increased snow fall was due to warming. Twenty five years and counting with no warming....perhaps somebody should check their model.
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
03 Nov 2015, 20:09
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03 Nov 2015, 20:09#6
 there's a saying in spanish, "Que atrevida es la ignorancia!", which literally translated would be:
"How daring the ignorance is!"
I found that an equivalent saying in Engklish could be: Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

Any of them could suit you. The title of your thread says it all, Uh Oh.
The Arctic ice is not growing. If you are not able to distinguish btwin the Arctic and the Antarctic you shouldn't post this BS propaganda.
Arctic,.... in the north,..... no cointinental mass,.... just ocean
Antarctic,... in the south,..... continental mass

"Uh Oh Arctic ice is growing....contributing to a fall in sea levels."

and there's no such a "fall in sea levels". The sea level, on the contrary, is raising. It's been doing so for the last 100 years.


AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
03 Nov 2015, 20:16
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03 Nov 2015, 20:16#7
 For the rest of your post, this article explains quite well how confused you are

Antarctica Might Be Gaining Ice, But Global Warming Ain’t Over Antarctica Getty Images

Perhaps you’ve heard about the death of climate change. “Antarctica is actually gaining ice,” says NASA. “Is global warming over?” asks one headline writer. Not quite, goes the inevitable hedge.

Well…yes. But no. Climate change is depressingly robust. The new study—published October 30 in the Journal of Glaciology—offers no evidence that the planet’s temperature has returned to pre-1860s levels. Atmospheric carbon dioxide has not dropped below 250 parts per million. Sea levels have not receded. What has happened is that some parts of Antarctica are (maybe) freezing faster than other parts are melting.


About which, hooray! If the study is correct in its assessment of Antarctica’s freeze, that is. Some climate scientists say the study itself might be flawed.

Antarctica is losing ice, mostly from its western ice sheets. This new study says that accumulation in the continent’s interior is offsetting that progressive sloughing, for a net gain of about 100 billion tons of ice per year (though it has been slowing in recent years). “The other point is that the gain of ice is taking out about a quarter of a millimeter per year from sea level rise,” says Jay Zwally, chief cryospheric scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland and lead author of the study.


That’s fine, but it doesn’t mean the climate isn’t changing. Zwally himself points out that if Antarctica is gaining more ice, then somewhere else in the world is melting faster—because scientists have pretty good data showing that sea levels have been rising at a rate of about three millimeters a year for the past 100 years.


More than that, though, Zwelly used data from satellites that weren’t built to measure changes in ice in such fine detail. “He’s trying to do two things that require a lot of accuracy: Estimate how ice compresses as it falls, and how much the ice sheet is thickening and thinning,” says Benjamin Smith, a geophysicist at the University of Washington’s Applied Physics Laboratory. “It’s not necessarily the case that he has the wrong answer, but it’s also hard to say with any certainty that he has the right answer.”


Ted Scambos, senior research scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder put his criticism more bluntly: “What I would really hope is that you do not publicize this paper at all.”


If true, Zwelly’s results would refute findings—and methodology—used in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s 2013 assessment, currently the baseline for all other climate change research. Rather than measure ice height, the IPCC report used gravity-sensing satellites to add up the total mass of ice and the rock below. “When you factor out what the rock is doing, you see that the ice sheet is losing mass,” says Smith. But, again, that would leave a gap in the budget of water sources that have contributed to sea level rise.


Right or wrong, Zwelly’s study says little about climate change as a whole. In fact, equating Antarctic ice gain to the death of global warming is about as accurate as saying that racism in America ended the day Barack Obama took office.


PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Nov 2015, 20:18
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03 Nov 2015, 20:18#8
In other news, Vredendal here in South Africa recorded earth's hottest October temperature ever at 48.4 celcius. Just for the sake of interest.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
03 Nov 2015, 20:51
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03 Nov 2015, 20:51#9
Anyway, if the study is correct (and there's still a long way to consider it as correct) all what we would have is that one of the climate change's consequences, the sea level rise, wouldn't be as strong as thought. Nothing about refuting the climate change at all.

What the scientific comunity has to face now is to study which metodology is better, the one used by Zwally or the one used by the IPCC. This is how the science and the scientific comunity works, they'll confront the datas from both studies, they'll probably try to make other studies, using another metodology if possible, etc, etc.
and in the next months or years we'll know what the scientific comunity says about it.
This is very diferent, the opposite could be said, from what you are used to do, cherry-picking the things that you find in internet that suit your preconceived idea and what you want to spread. This is serious.
When they decide about it will you accept what the scirentific comunity says or you'll do as with the climate change, reject what the 98% of the scientists say, that the human society is causing a climate change that could, and the most probably will, be catastrophic?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Nov 2015, 20:54
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03 Nov 2015, 20:54#10
 In 99 I was in Goodhouse in the Northern Cape. 53 in the shade, 5 days in a row.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Nov 2015, 23:18
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03 Nov 2015, 23:18#11
So they will debate which is right....ie try to twist the results in the favour of warming. Tell us about all those Hurricanes that hit the US this year plank.....one by one all the myths are tanking.

In the meantime it's 20 years since we had any warming and the solar minimum looms.
I'm pleased to say we are having a nice November though, with golf in prospect. Still we haven't seen a 100 degree day in about 18 years...used to get them all the time. Warming...hahaha...tell it to the polar vortex.
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