Correction the Bismarck was hit in the rudder area by an RAF torpedo and could no longer maneuver. At that point it was easy pickings as my friend Dave would say. But apropos the Bismarck/Kolisi debate.....show me the battleship called the Kolisi. The SAS Kolisi, it’s only a matter of time, the myth goes on.
I never realized until recently what emotional thinkers we now breed in South Africa....guys who suspend their disbelief and buy into the emotional claptrap that is the stock in trade of the new man. In the old days we were a tough, hard bitten, cynical bunch.....not this Grimm’s Fairy Tale binging group of limp wristed woosies.
Kolisi a great Springbok, you can’t be serious.
Mozart
I am cynical too - especially when it comes to your posts. All the players who won the WC were great players - especially when the scoreline is taken into account. A huge victory - better than anything offered in previous WC's,
So lets face facts your constant attacks against key players in the game and support opf failures like Mostert indeed makes one cynical.
Very much aware of that Mozart..a Swordfish naval aircraft on HMS Ark Royal dropped a torpedo that hit the Bismarck on the port side and jammed the rudder.
We argue over players which is immature and childish, so this Ruckers Motley bunch knows more about rugby coaching and selection than the pundits...very funny...what self-deluded bunch suffering from chronic delusions of grandeur...haha...hahaha.
If we don’t argue about players what’s the point of posting....the debate is the point. As for the coaches there have been so many poor player decisions...guys who played less than 5 tests and then disappeared. All of those are coach failures and many made no sense from the off. ....Taute, Goosen, Papier, Chilliboy, Notshe, Skosan, Dreyer, Cassiem , Ulengo.....the beat goes on. Fans have every right to be appalled at all the mistakes our coaches have made.
Fair enough but debate rather than degrade and insult to extremities and respect always seems to the more discreet and civilised the best way to debate. I realise some here have manners that are something out of the ordinary...there are those that savor Chateau Pedeschaux and those Chateau De La Boite
Amazing that a person can claim that Kolisi is the best Springbok forward who only plays 60 minutes per test at the best.
Pieter du Toit was without doubt the best Springbok forward in the final and unfortunately some folks do not or will not give credit when it is due unless it fits the political pathetic reasons floating around the world.
Kolisi is not a good or great captain nor is he an international player but for the dismal ANC policy of having everything black and Captain.
Bavuma the midget is a typical example in the cricket squad.
Any bets that he will be the appointed the Captain of the cricket side once he manages to secure a permanent batting performance at test level.
Without Vermeulen and other senior rugby players in the squad their is no one including Kolisi who has any idea what is required when the chips are down.
Black player at the right place at the right time politically in this case.
Saffex then you should have used physical strength..match for match in every aspect of strength.
Not raw power which means unconditioned strength, ie something usually unnoticed at first, some are born with it and it is not so apparent.
Anyway, not to nit pick we now understand what you meant.
Looking at the 2 different players, I would say Siya has a different type of strength suited to openside flank, whilst Bismarck is the perfect strength for a hooker.
I really think it is not a good comparison. Lets leave at that.
A typical example of raw power and strength would be Ray Mordt...this guy had super human strength...to look at him he looked like an average build for a wing but his strength was freakish.
An article on Ray Mordt today at 60 he is still in good shape and certainly looks younger than 60...a great guy and I remember him in Rhodesia. He was very popular in WP too, he used to literally run through defence...tacklers just bounced off him...very powerful.
Born in wrong era...would have been a legend if he was 30-35 years younger.
Ray today....
Kolosi naturally isn't a muscular guy. If you compare him to other players when they were 20 you will notice that Kolosi had very lean build.
He had bulked up massively, but he doesn't have the muscle that du toit or vermeulen had that gives him enough endurance.
The same can be said of Bongi.
Neither these players have a big enough engine to carry their bulk as they are naturally built like this.
That is why around 30 min. Both players have there hands on their hips
The Rassie strategy is for them to empty their tanks and bring on more experienced players.
I would argue that Coetzee will outlast Kolosi over 80 min
If you read some of MCAw comments. He argued why some player would cover a lot ground but have no impact on the game. He would ask, what are they doing on the field.
Good players know how to be in the right place at the right time.
Kolosi always hang around the touch line. Hardly ever get stuck in
KC
I agree with Dave on the Kolisi issue. There were numerous examples where Kolisi did a sterling job on ball protection at breakdowns and assists in recovery. He also carried the ball om open-field play and I do not have a problem with his defense either, A very food layer amd mpt a quoya sel ection.
You can fool some of the people all the time.
Hell you know that Dave....Dud Toit. He is also my pick for left wing.
Actually there really isn’t anybody obvious, which isn’t the same as saying Kolisi is a worthy fetcher and captain.
