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Wallabies look wel set for the WC

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Sept 2015, 05:59
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06 Sept 2015, 05:59#1
The Eagles ran them close at Soldiers Field in Chicago for a half....after which the gap in class became too much. Still huge USA inside centre Thretton Palamo nearly buried first the Git and then Beale.
And the moment of the night happened ight beneath us  as Ngweya of Habana fame burned Tomani and set up an Eagles try with a neat offload. What a waste of a talent.
For Oz the pack looked good, and the scrumming in particular was impressive. Foley made nearly all his kicks and Genia looked very fluid after he replaced Phipps. The Qualude was greeted with the usual jeers, I guess we had some NZers in the crowd.

A fun evening, but nothing like the crowd or vibe in the Chicago match played by the ABs.
One interesting bit of news the Wallabies stayed at Notre Dame university ...a gridiron power house, with quite a bit of contact with the football coaches.
An easy game in the end, but the Aussie box which was right above us looked a bit stressed at the half. Odd to see Stephen Larkham at Soldiers field. The last time I saw him in person he was making that legendary drop against the Boks in the WC semi at Twickenham

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Sept 2015, 06:14
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06 Sept 2015, 06:14#2
 Thanks for the report.  Interesting reading.  In view of our "hospital ward" selections and poor performance of a lot of players in the squad, are you implying that the Springboks may have a serious chance of losing against the USA in the pool stages? 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Sept 2015, 06:39
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06 Sept 2015, 06:39#3
 I thought the Eagles defended well in the first half and succeeded in rattling the Ozzies to the point when they looked clueless in attack. Some of their tackles caused quite a few ball spills. Bringing Genia on made a huge difference for Oz in the second half.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Sept 2015, 14:13
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06 Sept 2015, 14:13#4
I somehow thought Genia was in his thirties, still a young fellow  and so smooth. The instant the ball was available it was gone. We saw Skelton in the warm up, they must have had the whole WC squad on the park....a brawny lad!
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Sept 2015, 07:40
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07 Sept 2015, 07:40#5
 Australia under the microscope September 6 2015 at 07:30pm
By Vata Ngobeni Comment on this story ReutersHooker Stephen Moore will lead Australia to this year's World Cup after being named Wallabies captain for the season. Photo by: David Gray/Reuters

Australia must be doing something right at the Rugby World Cup for them to have featured in the knockout stages of every tournament.

Included in their World Cup campaigns are five semi-final appearances and three finals, and they were the first nation to become double world champions after lifting the Webb Ellis trophy in 1991 and 1999.

What the Australians have been able to do with aplomb at tournament rugby is mix their street smartness with the mental fortitude. They can rise above the high pressure that comes from representing their nation at the World Cup.

But often between tournaments their mental toughness has escaped them and they have fallen victim to an inability to find the consistency needed to remain on top of world rugby, unlike their neighbours New Zealand, who have dominated the sport over the years.

Like their southern hemisphere counterparts the All Blacks and the Springboks, the Wallabies have struggled with the depth of their player resources because the rugby union is not top of the country’s sporting pecking order.

The fact that their Super Rugby franchises have enjoyed little fortune in the competition since the heydays of the Brumbies in the mid-2000s has also impacted on them challenging for a place at rugby’s top table.

However, a belief in their abilities has often seen them rise to the occasion prior to and during a World Cup, and they have been the only team in the world to consistently threaten the All Blacks in the lead-up to the sport’s global showpiece.

They will be the first to acknowledge that their road to the 2011 World Cup semi-final was riddled with luck.

As all South Africans will remember, New Zealand referee, Bryce Lawrence, blew in their favour in a one-sided quarter-final encounter against the Springboks in Wellington, which allowed the Wallabies to escape with a narrow victory.

Since their semi-final exit in 2011, the Wallabies have struggled. A series loss to the British and Irish Lions in 2013 and a run of coaching upheavals have undermined their confidence.

Robbie Deans’s tenure as Wallaby coach came to an abrupt end in 2012 as player power won the day, but the failure of his successor, Ewen McKenzie, to replicate his winning culture also had many doubting that the Wallabies would be a factor come 2015.

But in stepped Michael Cheika, the charismatic coach who had won silverware with Leinster in the Heineken Cup in 2009 and with the Waratahs in Super Rugby last year.

Cheika has not only improved the fortunes of Australia in Super Rugby, but his boldness in bringing new minds into the Wallaby management set-up - like former Wallaby flyhalf Stephen Larkham, Nathan Grey as defence coach and former Argentinian international Mario Ledesma as forwards and set-piece coach - has proved to be a stroke of genius.

Cheika has not been scared to make some hard decisions for the benefit of the team. In similar fashion to the way he got rid of McKenzie’s management aides, so he has left out former captain James Horwill and in-form scrumhalf Nic White.

And it was Cheika who surprised all by recalling Matt Giteau from France for the Rugby Championship. He was repaid when Giteau showed his class by engineering the Boks’s demise this year.

To that must be added the prized scalp of the All Blacks - their first victory over their neighbours in 11 Tests and first since 2011 - and their first Rugby Championship title since 2011.

On the back of that the Wallabies will go into the World Cup with the belief that they have the ability and mental fortitude not only to emerge from their pool of death with hosts England and Wales, but also to go all the way and win an unprecedented third World Cup.

Strengths

If ever there was an award for a street-smart team, the Wallabies would win it.

What they lack in technical ability they surely make up for in their ability to figure a way out of trouble.

They often struggle to dominate the set pieces, but have always had masters at the breakdown, men such as the present side’s David Pocock, Michael Hooper and Scott Fardy.

They will surely be the team that gains possession from the breakdown, and from that they will unleash the might of their dangerous backline.

The recall of mercurial playmaker Giteau from the rugby wilderness has been a master stroke by Cheika.

Giteau could just be the spark to ignite one of rugby’s most lethal backlines. With good form shown by the likes of Adam Ashley-Cooper, Israel Folau, Rob Horne and Tevita Kuridrani this year, the Wallaby backline will be a handful for many teams.

Weaknesses

Their lack of grunt up front makes them vulnerable to being on the back foot, especially in the tight matches that they are likely to face in the knockout stages of the tournament.

Their scrum looks a lot steadier with Scott Sio, but they will need their entire tight five, in fact the entire pack, to scrum as a unit if they are to dominate at scrum time.

The line-out is another facet where the Wallabies have struggled over the years, and without good quality ball from that set piece, their potent backs will be rendered null and void.

If they have any ambitions of progressing far into the tournament, their pack of forwards will need to front up physically against heavier and better-drilled packs in the competition.

Analysis

The Wallabies do indeed do something right at World Cups, and with Cheika at the helm are more likely than ever to be serious contenders for the trophy.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2015, 14:31
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07 Sept 2015, 14:31#6

For once, a rugby article with insight. Players like Poclock and Hopper give Oz an edge. And the Git, drilled as he was on Saturday, still produced a few moments of magic. One can still recall the supposedly old man Tim Horan carving us up at the 99 WC semi in a MOM performance.

 

The Wallabies are going to be very tough opponents and have a great WC draw....yes the Pool is tough, but if they win their Pool they are in the final before they meet the Boks or NZ. And in a one off knockout match between Oz and NZ I give Oz a great chance. Their chronic weakness the scrum shouldnt be too exposed by the current AB front row.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Sept 2015, 15:15
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07 Sept 2015, 15:15#7
 So you so do not think the Springboks has any chance in the  upcoming WC to go further than the quarterfinal.   Why should that be?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2015, 16:04
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07 Sept 2015, 16:04#8
Huh?  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Sept 2015, 16:49
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07 Sept 2015, 16:49#9
 Mozart
You got yourself trapped here - trip up yourself badly.  Let me quote what you said above:-
 "The Wallabies are going to be very tough opponents and have a great WC draw....yes the Pool is tough, but if they win their Pool they are in the final before they meet the Boks or NZ. And in a one off knockout match between Oz and NZ I give Oz a great chance. Their chronic weakness the scrum shouldn't be too exposed by the current AB front row."
You did mention the Boks - but then went quiet about them in the next one.   So that let to my question and I am still awaiting a reply.
However, you may learn something from the following article from News24:-
"Former Springboks Eben Olivier and Schalk Burger snr have expressed their concern about the style of coaching in South African rugby.   The two former Boks were speaking at a Bok Banter fundraiser at NMMU in Port Elizabeth last week.

Olivier, 71, who played 16 Tests for the Springboks between 1967 and 1969, shared his concerns about a Springbok structure focusing more on size than skill, and the possible "over-coaching" of professional players.


"In some cases, bad coaching is worse than no coaching at all. I think a lot of the guys receive too much coaching and not enough freedom to express themselves on the field,” said Olivier.


Burger, who is the father of current Bok flank Schalk jnr, echoed Olivier’s sentiments by saying rugby is a "socio-cultural extension of a lifestyle" and coaches should allow players to lose themselves in the game.


"Then you will see the real players," Burger said to applause from the crowd.


A host of former Springbok skippers, World Cup winners and stalwarts from days gone by came together at their alma mater in support of plans to build a rugby clubhouse near the north-western edge of the Madibaz Stadium.   Close to 600 guests attended the event at the NMMU Indoor Sports Centre, which served as a fundraiser for the proposed R3.2m clubhouse.


"Legacies are hard to leave behind, but we hope to create a home for Madibaz rugby. A place where players from the past, present and future can come together to support their team," said former Springbok scrumhalf Garth Wright.  An auction of signed rugby memorabilia kick-started the fundraising effort and contributed R28 000 to the clubhouse construction.


Wright was joined on stage by, among others, former Bok flank and NMMU sports manager Bernard Petersen and soon-to-be international rugby hall of fame inductee Danie Gerber.

They were followed by ex-Bok skippers Hannes Marais and Andre Vos, and 1995 World Cup winners Hennie le Roux, Hannes Strydom and Garry Pagel, who were joined by 2007 winning team manager Zola Yeye.


Television presenter Gavin Cowley, a rugby legend himself, played master of ceremonies and got the Springboks to share their knowledge and insights with the guests.

When asked "to put their houses on the line" in predicting the outcome of the upcoming 2015 Rugby World Cup, only Burger backed the Springboks to bring the Webb Ellis trophy home.


The majority backed the All Blacks, while Ireland and Australia also made the cut as possible World Cup winners."


There is serious truth about the comments about the coaching issue in what was said as reflected above.  The failed and failing coaches  like Ludeke, White and Meyer are all coaching freaks and they cause havoc insofar as players expressing themselves in games.    When you looked at coaches like Ackerman and now Nollis Marais and Franco Smit  they.give the players an opportunity to express themselves during games and although they have no big-name players in their teams - the teams performed better than expected.    


   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2015, 17:06
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07 Sept 2015, 17:06#10
Pervert let me teach you some simple stats. Even if the Abs are 75 per cent likely to win every knockout match, their  chances of winning the whole shooting match is only 42 per cent....and that assumes they are a 100 per cent likely to get to the knockouts. If the Boks are 60 per cent likely to win all their games and 40 per cent likely to beat NZ, their chances of winning the whole thing is only 14 per cent.
So why, I ask you with tears in my eyes would anybody bet his house on something that is only 14 per cent likely....even if he is positive on the Boks chances in every game.
As for the Aussie comment point out where I say the Aussies will face NZ in the final. I'm saying if the Aussies play NZ in the final I think they have a very good chance because of the styles and history.
Try to avoid being a total moron all the time Perv. What part of the "Boks or NZ" escapes your microscopic brain?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Sept 2015, 17:14
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07 Sept 2015, 17:14#11
 I was just quoting your statement and now you say the Springboks only have a 14% chance to win the tournament - yet you support all out the "donkey-selections" of Meyer.    A team you shout about - yet you obviously do not think the team is good enough to win the Cup.  
Nice wiggle mechanism to answer a plain question - so to get out of the only trouble you created for yourself.  The normal personal attack is an obvious solution in your petty mind - but it does not wash.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2015, 18:36
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07 Sept 2015, 18:36#12
Sorry I'd like to help, but this whole thing has just gone whoosh over your bald  head. it's not worth the effort.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Sept 2015, 19:08
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07 Sept 2015, 19:08#13
 I know perfectly what you are carrying on about - but asked why do you support selection of non-performing players if you know their chances of winning the cup - that I do not understand.  However, the story about self-justification of your support for flops has commenced and your excuses will be followed with interest and the disfust they deserve.      
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2015, 21:34
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07 Sept 2015, 21:34#14
Okay explain...no ducking and diving. I think you don't have a clue.
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