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Watching the Welsh semi again....

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2019, 07:27
#81
10 Dec 2019, 07:27#81

Mozart

I asked you three questions on Steyn and you answered none of them.   They go to the core of Steyn's failures at center.   You come up with the following:-

"And then the cherry on the cake is his long range kicking....drops and penalties"/

How many of those were there?   Is kicking out of hand NOT IMPORTANT?    Steyn's kicks out of hand was total BS and inaccurate,   The fact is that was a failure as a center when playing NZ o for that matter in any other position.    

Answer the questions please:-

*    If Frans Steyn was the Springbok great as claimed by you - why was he more often used as a bench player than he was a starter?

*    Why did Steyn never score a try against a team ranked above the Springboks and why was virtually all his tries scored against teams 8 and below and why was that fact ignored by you?

*    Why was Steyn - other than by White and for a few games by Meyer - virtually never selected  as a starting center and why was he mostly a bench player throughout his career?  

*    Why do you praise White endlessly and why do you malign Erasmus from the day of his appointment - since both won the WC?

The first one on Steyn was clear.    Steyn was a disaster for the Sharks in the years he played Super Rugby,   Meyer used him as center in 2012 and his kicking game was what one would call BS,     He similarly was a disaster for Montpellier,   For instance I saw he Heineken Cup match this past weekend between Montpellier and  Toulouse.   For some reason - probably due to injury - Steyn was played at center and he was the main reason for the Montpellier loss.   That is just an example of why he was not really good enough to claim constant Springbok selection.    It happened through his career - for every good thing he did there was  a string of negatives,   You never wanted to see it - the actual coaches did.   

If you can answer and explain objectively that my assessments and questions were wrong - w hy not point out where I went wrong.   

 

  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2019, 10:53
#82
10 Dec 2019, 10:53#82
As I said Moz an inside centre is not defined by the number of tries he has scored. Frans has scored his at 12 against nobodies but so what In his day Frans was great but did himself no favours by leaving early. He also unfortunately played too many positions and should have just stuck with 12, by far he best position. Equally I really rate de Allende who has been in great form this year. His freakish strength is his strength and Greenwood was spot on - without him the Boks would not have gained the momentum we did. You certainly don’t appreciate him at all which is sad, you see him as a crash baller which is exactly what Frans did but somehow even as an old slow version you still preferred over DA which was laughable. DA is the best 12 in the game right now, thanks to a great WC
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2019, 13:09
#83
10 Dec 2019, 13:09#83

Dave

Mozart will always disagree when  it comes to De Allende and h is campaign against the player has been ongoing since 2014.   Since then Mozart had a string of best centers in the World and  starting off in 

*   2015 it was Kuridrani - who des not even make the Aussie center selection anymore'

*   2015 another favourite was Basteraud - the slowest center I have ever seen

*   2017 it was Kerevi - still is a favourite, a slow and strong ball carrier with serious defense problems

*   2018 it was Slade - nowadays a bench player at best for the English, 

All along his praise-singing of Steyn went overboard,   He wanted Steyn at flyhalf or at center if Pollard was available - even though by that time Montpellier started using him as full back and later a frequent bench player, Mozart keep on writing up Steyn on site.

The qie4stion remains - why did Erasmus, a wise coach often under attack by Mozart, pick Steyn as a bench backup in the WC and only in gone game started him in the center position?   Mozart obviously think Erasmus is a cowardly fool giving in to what Mozart call  a "media storm" he imagined took place after the Welsh test.   There was no such "storm" at all,          

I expect no response to the questions I asked him  about De Allende and Erasmus other than perhaps further blustering BS.       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 15:51
#84
10 Dec 2019, 15:51#84
Saffex ...March 2019

' Jean was a great 12 and so was Frans Steyn. At no point have I ever said de Allende was better than the 3 other 12’s mentioned you pathetic liar.'

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2019, 16:03
#85
10 Dec 2019, 16:03#85
I rate all 3 as I keep saying
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 16:24
#86
10 Dec 2019, 16:24#86


Saffex

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May 03, 2019, 19:46

Stupid side leaving Etzebeth out and playing any 9 ahead of Faf is laughable as is playing Serfontein out of position at 13, he is not quick enough for 13. 

Here is a proper side: 

15. Willie 14. Nkosi 13. Kriel 12. Serfontein 11. Dyantyi 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Louw 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kolisi 7. JL du Preez 8. Dan du Preez 

16. Aker 17. Pierre Schoeman 18. Thomas 19. RG 20. Jaco Kriel 21. Reinach 22. Jantjies 23. de Allende 

— END OF THREAD —

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