wee fat Saffex vs Mozart

Boklog, one thing that is clearly apparent is that you are both stupid and out of your depth here dimwit. I have not lied about anything and have no reason in the world to lie to make a point. I meant what I said above, for you were the twat that started beating your chest about the level of rugby you had played only to be exposed by Brycy who said the club you played for were a bunch of clowns.

Given this very fact and knowing the level I played at it was easy to conclude that I would never have entertained the idea of wanting to lower myself to the level of rugby you are playing now - that is beneath me! That is not proclaiming rugby prowess you dumbass its just setting ones sights higher than the girlie level you currently play at. By all accounts prowess is not required at your level, just a big mouth.

As for Jean, he was past it two seasons ago - for the simple reason he creates nothing at 12 these days. He has lost his clout with age and no longer has the synergy to be creative. The spark has gone, as has the agility and flair. Its an age thing much like we saw in Mortlock for instance. Jean's best bet these days is to bash it up, for he no longer has the fleet of foot or acceleration off the mark to beat his man with skill. Do you get this or are you too thick to take it in? No need to answer, I am ahead of you here.

Here is a suggestion Boklog, give it up for I will chew you up and spit you out everytime, much like I would have done on the rugby field, you are such easy pickings!!

Saff, some people talk and some people do. Its clear to see which one you are.

I will take your challenge up anyday. Short and overweight blokes on a rugby field are hardly scary. Licking my lips as we speak. With your odd shape, I would be inclined to go over the top of you to really embarrass you but then again, you cant tackle what you cant catch.

Its easy for you and Brycy to comment on the level of rugby seeing as none of you would come close to making the team. If you judge a level of rugby by the teams results then you are dimmer than you were yesterday which takes some doing. That just shows the level of competition. We dont need to harp on this because you and I and everyone else on the board knows you not worth shit! People that can, do! People that cant, teach!! Didn't you say you were a coach??

Dave, give it up. Your comments and ideas are a laugh, much like your appearance in a rugby kit.

P.s Dave..You do not possess the intellect to "chew me up and spit me out!" You are the only one who thinks your knowledge of rugby is great. The rest of us just shake our heads at your pure dillusion on warped sense of reality.

All good to set your sights higher but come on Dave. Fine line between reality and fantasy. You seem to be living in the world of the latter. I set my sights on playing for the Boks so I am not going to waste my time with premier club rugby..Ha ha can you hear how stupid you sound. P.S Saff..Nothing is beneath you buddy..Especially not a decent women judging by that profile pic!!

One last thing..Your comment re. Jean being past it 2 seasons ago. He was one of our best, if not the best back at the WC. Go watch his game against Aus in the QF. He cut their line like a hot knife through butter. Steyn would not have taken the 12 jersey back in the form JDV found during that competition. Steyn would have likely played at 15 in place of Lambie.

You have just got it drilled into your head that JDV is useless no matter what he does. Then again you are the oke that thinks Engelbrecht and Taute are better players. Ha ha we laughing at you Saff.

Oh Boklog, my heart bleeds for you and your stupidity. So according to you I talk and don't do - how did you conclude that dimwit, do you know me, do you posses a crystal ball or are you just sucking as you have a habit of doing.

Thing is wee man, if people thought so little of my rugby comments, they would not bother responding to me at every call. Is that usually associated with someone who does not know what they are talking about.

So you also have me down as short and fat then - please enlighten me on how you derived at this conclusion? A little advise, think before you answer this one, given the history attached to this subject. We don't want you putting your foot in it now do we?

Given the standard of your response to me above, are you saying you are more intelligent than me - just asking? I got an A in home economics at school!!

How did you establish that I wanted to play rugby now, I threw in the towel some years ago. As for your standard, Brycy confirmed exactly what I suspected. Where do you get that I wanted to play for the Boks, dimwit - how stupid are you, again don't answer that?

As for Jean, he is past it, has been for 2 seasons, WC was seasons back. And my guess is that if I checked that break you mention, it will not amount to much. Jean was the best 12 I have seen play for SA, but that was in his prime, that was a good few years ago.

Tell me, what do you think of pink elephants and bedside tables?

Saffex, one thing you need to remember is sarcasm is nature's cover up for stupid! You possess this in masses.

People respond to you often trying to correct and enlighten you but then they are subject to abuse and you to drill your beliefs into everyone. I think its short, fat man syndrome you got there. You feel inferior to us athletic types. You had to throw the towel in when you couldn't make geriatric teams so you decided to coach them. Or maybe you were just the towel boy even in your younger days.. I cant see you being any better than a social wannabe..I picture you to be full of stories about your so called rugby prowess when in reality you are a never was teletubby!! You call me wee man standing at 6'4 tall? You will get crushed u little slob...

I can summise you short and fat because this whole conversation hurt you way more than it should have... I mean, u debated this for days when you should have laughed it off. Mozart has seen you, as has Becs. Mozart says you fat, Becs says you not. I dont know either of them so why must I believe what you have prepped a friend to say. She is just obviously a nice lady trying to help a friend out.

I believe Moz over you anyday as I have already seen far too much shit written from you.

I am for for you and your "A" in home ec. You also achieved an "A" in being an asshole along with an "F" in Rugby Knowledge. No doubt an "A" came your way in Pie eating contest too...

Well you said that you would not subject yourself to the level of rugby I play at. Well the next step up would be harbour representation. Just like when I played at collegians. Next step up would have been rep rugby for one of the Natal teams. I can admit that I am not good enough. You have made it clear that you were. Pity we didnt get to see you play more in your provincial team! Brycy will go against anything I say. Thats what he does so im not worried too much about that.

Jean was our best back this season u foolish sod! What dont you understand about that. Not 2 seasons back. Not 5 years ago..A few months ago twat! You have nothing to base your statements on but you just randomly make them. You name 1 centre this year who played better than Jean!! Cant argue with a prick like you!

Boklog you have just proved how stupid you are. Its not only Moffie and Becs that have met me, add Jal and Clevermike, who both have said I am neither fat or short - so well done on believing the lying Moffie and exposing yourself for the idiot that you are. Game set and match as they say.

Brycy has you down to a T, you are a lying little twat who comes running onto a messageboard bragging about the level of rugby he has played only to fall flat on his face - ouch it must hurt.

Oh yes and I also got an A in needlework!

As for Jean he has been bloody useless and part of the reason the Boks were so average in 2012

Frans was way better than Jean in 2012 at 12 and Taute was way better than Jean at 13 - Jean was pathetic at 13

As stated previously, Brycy will argue with me if I tell him night will become day! He just does that. We rubbed each other up the wrong way in the beginning and thats all I can say about that.

One of the other kiwi posters told you that your club would not stand a chance against Bays. No I dont boast or brag about my rugby skills because they are really no better than thousands of other average joes out there. I am never going to make it further than where I play now and have never claimed that. You on the other hand have claimed that you played at a high level. Just like the debate of your weight + height...PROVE it knob!!

For the last time, Bays have not been title challengers the past few seasons. Neither have the Lions or Blues but due to their results, would your half baked team now beat them or would you not "sink" to that level of rugby? Truth is u just simply not good enough. You a wrapping yourself in a tangle over this and trying to involve Brycy at every corner to get the heat of your pathetic self. Mike saw you some years ago. Judging by the amount of time u spend infront of your computer being a doos, you have had plenty time to get fatter...Would love to meet you in real life so I can teach you some manners...

Even if you are not short or fat, you are ugly and the pic is up for all to see buddy!

Im not gona respond to your remarks about Jean. Afterall, you are the wanker who thinks JJ and Taute were a revelation. Ha ha deluded oke you are. If JDV was poor, JJ and Taute should consider soccer!!

So let me guess I have shrunk since I met Mike and Jal who met me not that long ago is just lying then as is Becs, man you are one ignorant twit. Do you really think this is about me being short and fat or about the fact that Moffie has been exposed for lying about it - work it out brainbox

I said my U16 side would smack you lot, I said nothing about the senior side playing you.

As for Jean, he is done - JJ and Taute have their whole rugby careers ahead of them to look forward to - it happens to the best of us. Given the standard you play, why not just chuck in that towel now and devote more time to filling out that stringbean 6'4 frame - can I suggest pork pies, that is how I got fat and hell they affected my height to

Ha ha yeah I should chuck the towel in but I still enjoy a good run around to keep fit and active. You should try it. Start on a hamster wheel though.

"Your" u16 side would probably be useless if your selections for the Boks are anything to go by. A lock playing at centre to accommodate a flanker who cant find a place in the loose trio so must play lock just to get on the park. Your'e a joke Saff man!

I dont really wana fill out too much now. If I get less active, I will pick up 5 or 6 kg's at the expense of lean muscle but what for? Prefer to be faster and lighter. I will get fatter as I get older but im not gona let myself go and become the man in your profile pic in need of a good haircut and some man scaping help. I can send you a pic of me charging down the sideline with ball in hand in my first game for Bays if you wana see what a real athlete looks like! I was still in the senior firsts at the time and were losing semi finalists that year. They went on to win it the year after!

You right, Taute and JJ have their whole careers ahead. JJ's career should be spent at the Bulls and no further whilst Taute has made the best career choice possible at this stage and will stick with a position he has an idea about..Fullback. He may reassess in years to come but for now, his skills for centre match your rugby knowledge. Extremely limited!

Nope my U16 side is pretty damn hot, with 12 of them in the Saints Academy, three of which have been sent to regional England U17 trials - so its a year up for them and guess what one is a 12 the other a 13, Third one is 6'8 and weighs 110kg - he should go all the way at lock, One of these 3 should go on to play for England - time will tell - remember the names Waddleton, Ives and Moon,

JJ has thr skill set to make it as our rest wing - there is no doubting that, Taute coud play 13 or 15, but we need him at 13

Saffex, we dont need Taute at 13. It would be good if he pulled through as an exceptional 13 but currently he is not that. We need Jordaan at 13. He is our best available at the moment. Taute good be our best 15 and we NEED him to displace Kirchener who frankly is little more than acceptable. He offers nothing more, nothing less than acceptable. I hear Jacque Fourie was coming back to SA for 1 last world cup. How true is that? If he is fit and can make the next world cup, he needs to be there aiding Taute. Taute is not a natural centre. He is better suited to 15 and that is a fact.

JJ is not consistent enough to play for the Boks in any position. He can play some really good rugby and then he can produce some really below par crap. If he can be consistently good then he has a big future because he does have some great skills and size on his side.

What you will probably find is a guy like De Allende leap frog both Taute and JJ. I dont know how good he is and only seen him play once against the Sharks in CC final but I read what others on here have said about him.

Becs I never said you were "a lust driven obsessive" when it comes to ou snapster. How could I have said that  being the realist I am an having all these details about ou snapster's height and girth. Hahahahahahahahhahahaha

No you certainly owe my an apology Lady Becs.

Beeno.....you have oft made claims that I am simply saying things because I am some how in love with Saffex, to try to make whatever I say that backs him against Mozart, look stupid. I do not owe you any apology for anything, particularly not given how you constantly stick your nose into the business of others when you know nothing of the facts or the people.

Boklogic. I have not been prepped by anyone to say anything. I am not the sort of person to behave in that way and that is the truth.

As Saffex has constantly told you, I have met him, as have Jal and Mike. Three of us dispute Mozart's claims and many more felt that the manner in which Mozart made the comments was really uncalled for and pretty bad form. Yet we are all supposedly wrong, are we ?

And, as the only female to have met him, I do still find it odd that Mozart was so hung up on another man's looks and build etc. I must admit, you all do puzzle me in that regard !!

Becs I never said you were "a lust driven obsessive" re snapster. How about a sincere heart felt apology. Come on its the right thing to do.

Also when you post on  meesage board one gets all sorts of responses from various folk. Its no tactually butting in at all. Name m eone person who doesn't butt in as you call it . 

Beeno holding the errant Becs to account

Boklog, we do need Taute at 13, for we dont need him at 15, given we should be playing Lambie at 15, given Goosen should be our 10. My opinion on this will never change as I could never sell myself short and have one of Goosen or Lambie wasted on the bench - that would just never happen with me.

Taute was our best test option at 13 last year, this was confirmed after watching his Oz performance again as I could not believe all the shit I was reading about that performance. He has only had 3 tests and should be allowed a good few more tests to establish himself.

Jordaan is certainly an option depending on his performances in this years S15, same applies to JJ. Taute is ahead of these two as he has shown his worth over the past few seasons. I am a big fan of all 3 as I would be if JP was moved to 13. I also like Pat Howard but sadly he is playing for WP and wont get game time - he is a better prospect than de Jongh. JP du Plessis is another.

de Allende looks a good prospect, but we need to see plenty more of him. He looks like he could play 12 or 13, same can be said of the impressive Jan Serfontein

Fuck me what happened to all the abuse!!

Im over abusing you now Saff. Its just going around in circles because I dont know a thing about you so not much to get you on there. Besides, its way too close to super rugby time and I hope all this juvenile banter between us bloggers (that is becoming way too personal) takes a back seat for some good rugby talk.

Having said that, people are different. Thats what makes us each unique and the world more than just a robotic factory. Your thoughts will never mirror mine and vice versa. I tell you that you are wrong and you tell me that I am wrong. Reality is neither of us are wrong. We just want different things.

In respect to JDV. You say he is past it. If I am honest with you and myself, JDV is not the same player he was but thats is to be expected. The man has been around over a decade now. He will slow up and the years of rugger will take its toll. Its just at the moment, we do not have a centre playing as well as him. He was huge for us in an average Bok performance this year. I thought he offered little at 13 but at 12, he steadied the ship somewhat. He may struggle to be in contention for the next WC so we need to use this season to find someone to do the job. One would think Steyn was the natural choice but he needs to not sit back on his name and what he once was. He needs to be good for the Sharks and get back into shape!

At 13, Taute was not terrible and he can be forgiven for not being exceptional in his first couple of games. He will settle in if he is afforded the opportunity. I just think he is so much more dangerous from 15 and looks more comfortable back there. Jordaan is more of a natural. He is quicker, lighter on his feet and has been a revelation for the Sharks. JP and Habana need to remain 14 and 11 respectively.

Lambie at 15 for me is not offering a whole lot more than Kirchener. I feel he lacks that express pace that makes a fullback transition from good and safe to superb. Montgomery was good. He was safe. He was not a brilliant 15. You just knew he would do the basics tight. Lambie looks so dangerous from 10. He is a ball player and often does his best work in the face of opposition. He does do a good job at 15 though so really what needs to happen is he needs to pick a position and play nowhere else but in that position because he admittedly was getting sick of being a yoyo and it ruined his chances of selection this year. Meyer did not know where he would benefit the team most so he was duely left on the bench to see where he was needed. No good for his development.

Well I do disagree with you on most points expect for the prospect of Jordaan at 13 although my reservation with him is his physicality, but this years S15 should confirm either way. He is not naturally big but has muscled up nicely, so lets just hope its enough.

Taute at 15 would be no quicker than Lambie at 15 or Ludik. Goosen is by some distance our best 10 and willl be the Bok 10 and deservedly so - no contest there and Meyer knows it. For this reason Lambie has to play 15.

Jean as I said was the best Bok 12 I have seen, with the exception of Frans at times. Problem with Frans is that he has been away and has never had an extended run at 12 for the Boks - now is the time. He is just what we need at 12, strength, physicality and skill.

Jean was poor in 2012. Of the 12 tests he played 3 or 4 were ok, the rest were poor. If the Boks are to progress this year, Jean has to go

Taute is a little quicker than Lambie and he is a more powerful runner. Lambie is deceptive in that he has a good fend and if you come in to lightly for the tackle, he will push you off but Taute is stronger.

For me, Ludik based on form would have been capped last year. No doubt. He was awesome for the Lions (better than Taute has been for them) and has brought that to the Sharks. What more must he do to get a cap!

Jordaan has that x factor everyone talks about. Size or lack there of doesn't apply in his case. He just has that x factor...

I wouldn't say Goosen is better than Lambie. I mean, Lambie has directed the Sharks to finals, Goosen has helped the Cheetahs be awesome at times in attack but they are still bottom of the loggers. With guys like Rhule, Andries Strauss, Daniller, Piet Van Zyl and Goosen, the Cheetahs have no excuses anymore. Their front row is about on par with the Sharks.. They could easily switch jerseys and be the Bok front row. Lambie, like you mention with Frans, just needs an extended run and stop being jerked around. I would back Lambie to be a better 10 than Goosen if given the chance. Let Lambie play to his own style as he does with the Sharks and he will be awesome. Everyone raves about Goosen's game against Aus because the pressure was on Meyer to replace Morne and bring back running rugby. What better game than against a depleted Aus team? Lambie, if given the opportunity that game, would have produced a special performance too. No doubt.

I am not saying Goosen is not good. He is a phenomenal talent but Lambie has not been given the same treatment. In my opinion, maybe not yours, Lambie is a better all round player!

Disagree on the speed thing, I cant see Lambie being any slower than Taute or Ludik. Lambie has proved his worth as a fullback for the Boks already.

As for x factor, Goosen has that at 10 and HAS to be the Bok 10. He is definately better than Lambie at 10. Lambie is better in space and therefore 15 will suit him.

The Cheetahs have too many substandard players to ever compete with the best sides. No centres of note and Daniller is useless. They have no locks and average loosies bar Brussouw and v/d Walt, but Brussouw spends much of his time injured these days, same with Coenie in the frontrow.

Goosen shone in an average Cheetahs side that try he scored when he stuffed his shoulder up was something else. I saw that class when he played for the Baby Boks as an 18 year old. This kid is special.

I have always been a Ludik fan, his form dipped when he first arrived at the Sharks, but he was great in 2012. He should have made a Bok squad ages ago - its probably too late for him now 27 or so, but maybe not