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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Nov 2020, 19:53
#41
19 Nov 2020, 19:53#41

Great question, Filipe.

I'm no rugby authority authority butbi did attend a strong rugby school. 

Firstly, and for the most part during apartheid, Rugby was only available to primary school kids(6-13 years old) at Afrikaans schools which were white schools. English speaking schools, despite being white schools offered football and softball during the winter season. Schools for black children didn't offer much sport and only in very rare instances was rugby available. 

Post-apartheid, when schools became integrated, most black kids attended English speaking schools where rugby was only available at high schools(ages 14-18).

My guess is that if more kids, of all races, started playing rugby younger then we'd see more kids of different races and languages playing rugby.

In a scenario where the majority of children are introduced to football before rugby, then it's difficult for rugby to compete, especially against the glitzy likes of Champions and UK Premier League football where players are both more famous and wealthier than pro rugby players could dream of being. 

I'm a white person, so I don't know how much rugby is still seen as the sport of the oppressor by black people, but I'm guessing that it does also play some kind of role.

Then there is also the reality that black people in SA are generally smaller in stature than white people. So there are less positions truly available to play. Whether it's down to diet or genetics, I don't know...but as you have probably noticed, we rarely see very big black players coming through the ranks. Some of our better black players have been the children of parents that came here from places like Nigeria, Ghana or Zimbabwe. The natural shape/size of black people here means that they tend to play in positions where height isn't a prerequisite. Props, hookers, wingers and so forth. It's not always that way but it generally holds true that you'll rarely see locks, flankers or monstrous 8 that are not white. I guess you have a similar situation with the native people of Argentina that live further south. I take it they are also smaller in stature than Argentinians of European origin?

No doubt many here will disagree but that is my layman's take on the subject.

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FelipeNewbie8 posts
19 Nov 2020, 20:47
#42
19 Nov 2020, 20:47#42
Thank you, Plum, for such a comprehensive analysis.
I had not taken into consideration the peculiarities of the black race in South Africa. I imagined all blacks as potential Mtawarira or as giants.
Very interesting what you say. I see a lot of analogies there with Argentina where rugby is absent from public schools and where the less privileged sectors have a more deficient diet. So many factors that dissuade you from playing rugby.
What continues to surprise me, however, is the lack of a "contagion" factor. I mean that South Africa is a three (!!!!) time world champion.
I can assure you that if Argentina becomes 3 times world champion in a prestigious sport everyone automatically becomes a fan of that sport. Either they practice it, or they become avid supporters on television or they would wear the national team jersey.
We have so many problems at home that we jump at the first opportunity to feel the pride for our country.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Nov 2020, 12:38
#43
20 Nov 2020, 12:38#43

Felipe,

I think South Africans are a little bit spoiled in that we are generally in the top three, in two of the three sports, that we take seriously. 

Our cricket team has a very good record both at home and away. We are currently ranked sixth but this a low ranking for us, generally we are always in the top three. While we have not won a world cup, we mostly dominate many of the teams that have won a WC or two. South African cricket has produced many of the worlds best twenty players of all time. 

Our rugby record is quite the opposite in that while we have 3 x WCs, our ranking is often outside of the top 3.

Still, it amounts to a country that is a little bit arrogant and spoiled, with fans oftentimes expecting that as long as the team shows up then they'll win. This amounts to it being a bit harder to shift the excitement needle.

Perhaps that may explain the non-contagion effect to some degree.

Since I mentioned cricket, here is a video of one our players destroying multiple batting world records in one game


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2020, 12:05
#44
21 Nov 2020, 12:05#44

Argies struggling a bit against the Wallies ATM.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2020, 13:38
#45
21 Nov 2020, 13:38#45

Hmmmm is it true the wee abs are 3 in the world rankings?

Mike your post re Rassie and his appointment as Diector of Rugby is spot on. Dr Moz time to throw in the towel re Rassie. He is a giant amongst coaches. 

The wee abs and their fans get very touchy when anybody dares to criticism their beat up old team. Their niceness disappears like the mists on Malvern Hills once criticism is leveled at the wee abs. 

The fact is the England forwards dominated them and their ballerina backs were shut down. Hahahaha.  Get some men in the forward pack kiwis! 

Our big spinner Ou JW must just accept his team is poor. Better import some islanders quick nz!

As for the horse woman Jacinda, even folk as gullible and dumb as the kiwi bird brains will finally awake. Wonder what Justin Marshall thinks. 

Is goth freak  Raylene part of the abs set up. One hopes she gets a chance to "help" out. No sexism please kiwis!

Congrsts to the Argues and warm welcome to Felipe. 

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