Mike you go one about the "useless de Jongh" when he probably won the CC. You appear to suffer from Dave's disease of not allowing what happens on the field to upset your preconceived notions about a player. .
That was probably de Jongh's only good game of the season - for the rest he has been a non entity.
And to think, Meyer is stupid enough to now want to start him at 13 for the Boks - its back to the bloody Adi Jacobs days.
I have a ticket for Twiickers on the 24th, I am not going to bother
Mozart
Any no 13 who manage to score 3 tries in 20 games and made no contribution to tries scored by other players - is defnitely not a house on fire - is he? De Jongh is acceptable on CC level, inadequate on Super Series level and totally out of depth on international level. I say adequate - since when he did form paty of the WP CC team - their backline scored less tries than when he did not play.
I give him credit for the try he scored in the CC final - but where was the rest of tries scored by him? Against the Lions in the semi - he knocked on two balls that could have led to tries. in 15 games on Super Series level - he scored only 2 tries - both in the match against the Rebels - one of the weakest teams in Super 15. He in both cases got the ball with an open tryline in front of him - no real defenders in sight.
The only opportunity he had to score in the Aussie test he fluffed badly.
He never once in Super 15 made a line break - was tackled easily and in most cases there were either a handover of the ball to the opposition or a penalty against the Stormers.
The term useless is perhaps putting it too strongly - he is downright poor in attack and not adeqaute to play on international level. Perhapos I should rather use the word inadequate.
I fail to see how anybody with real knowledge of rugby can state otherwise after they have actually carefully analysed his performances on Super 15 level in particular.
My only advice is - watch him carefully against the irish - analyze his performance and then consider it yourself and see whether you are really satisfied with what he produces.
"clever"mike u better add me to the list of those with no real knowledge of rugby cuz I think Juan de Jongh is a test quality centre and Im no WP fan. Him and Gio Aplon are both underrated and they both gutsy defenders and great attackers.
Jalap
Everyone has a different idea about players - and you are obviously entiled to your own ideas and at liberty to post them. I always try and explain why I have some ideas about specific players - based on how see the performances in games - but others have different outlooks - and that is what nakes discussions worthwhile. If everyone thinks alike - the world would be a very uninteresting place.
So Dave, you are not going to Twickenham to watch the Boks, because you think Juan de Jongh is playing centre. Not much of a Bok fan are you?
No, cant be asked travelling all that way to watch a Bok side with Pienaar at 9, Morne at 10, Jean at 12 and de Jongh at 13............I'd rather endure that pain in front of the telly. That side is not getting my monies worth - stuff it.............it reminds of the days when we had to endure the likes of Braam at 10 or v/d Bergh at lock.
Meyer is on the road to nowhere and its pisses me off given the talent we have at our disposal
Well I guess you're right Dave....it is a long trip from your shack back to civilization.
Yep am not paying £100 to watch that sideshow. My shack will do the trick
So you think the Boks will lose...even be humiliated?
Mozart
We very nearly lost the game in PE - thanks largely to some established players and having a dud as prop on the bench. Meyer has learnt nothing from that fiasco p remember how the crowd boo-ed Norne Steyn - because of his atrocious performance. The only saving grace was a brilliant piece of work by Pienaar - cut out all the duds on display in the backline and pass directly to Pietersen,
If Meyer plays the out-of-form Steyn, the seriously inadequate De Jongh, and the average De Villiers in the backline - it would indeed be a "dead" backline. We will be able to compete with the POMS on the forwards performances - but the moment the bench players are brought on - espeially the props - we are dead and buried.
Yes - a loss is on the cards - I only hope it is not too bad a loss,
Okay so I have you Mike and Dave betting on a Bok loss at Twickenham. Noted.
Yeah good chance we will lose this one, given the poor squad selected and the fact that Meyer is a one dimensional coach
Noted.
Are these three pessimists expecting us to lose all three games then as England maybe the toughest?
no i think the boks will wen 3-0 against the north. whe have good players to do that and i belief in the squad
Mike and Dave.....what a mournful combo...hahaha.
Rich coming from you Moz given how negative you are about 90% of our players
But never negative about the Boks Dave.....there's the difference.
I'm negative about their prospects given the coach and the poor squad selected. Its extremely frustrating watching a man with the record he had coming into the job, do our cause the injustice we are witnessing.
How on earth do you deliver so little when faced with so much talent? Hell we had 3 of our S15 sides end up in the top 5 of the log. The only players missing are Habana, Frans, Goosen, Bismark, Coenie, Bekker, Kolisi, Elstadt and Brussouw.......of which Frans, Goosen, Bismark and Bekker are vital.
The man has no excuse and how he produced the results with the Bulls as he did is beyond me. Says more for the players he had at his disposal than his credentails as a coach........it would have been difficult getting it wrong with the younger versions of Habana, du Preez, Steenkamp, Bakkies, Matfield, Russouw and Spies
Clevermike, if u r as enlightened as u claim 2 be & if u so tolerant about other ppls opinions then u shdnt say stuff like “I fail to see how anybody with real knowledge of rugby can say otherwise” (where "otherwise" means an opinion diffrent 2 yrs) cuz that makes u sound very intolerant & arrogant insted.
STF up Jalapeno. You know that Maaikie is the sherriff of the board. And he was asked to deliver papers for the UN. Watch out, just now he gets you banned.
