Australia's Michael Cheika gives his views
Face facts oaks the views of Mozzietard and the Mamparas Union are that of a small lunatic fringe minority.
https://youtube.com/shorts/H8SBBbhpkv8?si=qbmS0ffYpwp9dng7
Beeno it’s a one horse race - no other coach comes close
Rassie is by some distance the best coach the Boks have ever had and with that one would have to conclude he is easily in the top 3 of best coach ever in the game
Dave I posted this video as it looks like the Mampara Union live in a little fantasy bubble and have no idea what fringe lunatics they are. Trying to give the loons some perspective!
Of course Mozzietard will insist Cheika has no clue. Bwahahahahahahahahaha
The best coach in the World that doesn’t have a clue how to coach backline play, but you’re right HasBeen Cheika was a disastrous coach.
Does know how to coach backline play - there you go Beeno more rugby ignorance from Moffie
I suppose all those backline tries scored are down to luck :)
Dr Lucky’s idea of backline play is the mid field maul.
Yeah the fact that Arendse, Kolbe, Edwil and Fassi have amongst the best strike rates in the game is all down to Rassie not knowing anything about backline play
Keep it up Moffie
Oh sure Lucky taught Kolbe to step. All those players would have scored many more tries if Lucky hadn’t insisted on box kicking as the main weapon.
Saturday 4 tries….all from 10 metres out, 2 by Marx, 2 by Reinach sniping.
Ah so it’s down to Kolbe knowing how to step - fuck you really are an idiot
Problem is you lie through your teeth - I give you the facts about strike rates out wide and you try counter that with a lie
Pathetic
So Sacha comes on and completely turns on our attack, but it’s all due to the coach. What utter rubbish. These guys could beat the Bargies without a single coach coming with them.
You are tied up in knots. It’s crucial that we play certain players, nobody believes that more vehemently than you….but the coach is more important than the players.
Any of our competent coaches could do well with this level of talent. The difference between the Boks and other teams is the players. Most of whom Lucky inherited for his 2 WC wins
Proof …..Planert Rugby selects 9 Boks in their RC team.
No dumbfuck - Kolbe and co had those strike rates pre Sacha - they were there when Libbok and Pollard were at 10
Ah so a side does not need a coach
Wow you are getting more desperate and stupid with each post
The floor is all yours
Turnover tries, due to the elusiveness of the player…..nothing to do with the coach.
Bullshit are they all turnover tries and all aspects of a teams play are down to the coach including how they strike from turnover ball
Turnover tries by definition are unprogrammed…Kolbe scores because he beats tackles other players wouldn’t.
But how they attack from turnover ball is scripted by the coach
Sure the odd try is scored from individual brilliance but that’s far and few
No it’s not scripted….it’s up to the instincts of the players.
No it’s not - everything in rugby is scripted - my son as a head coach of a school side will testify to that
More school boy rugby….you can have a few basic rules, like kick turnover ball in your 22…..but you get a turnover ball on half way and it’s up to the players to read the field and choose the best option,
Yes school boy rugby is coached in the same way test rugby is you dumbfuck
Well nobody coaches what Kolbe does when he gets turnover ball….down you go again, tedious.
It’s not about being coached you idiot it’s about how the side uses turnover ball - directed by the coach.
Sounds like nonsense give us some examples
Fuck off am I giving you examples of how Rassie’ directs the side to use turnover ball - I’m not privy to their training sessions
Well let’s forget about Rassie, in your great days as a standard 5 rugby coach how might you have directed use of turnover ball.
I reckon quick ball spread wide to exploit the unstructured defence or use of the chip kick into open space as chances are the wings are not deep but up in the line
There are loads of options
Yes all of which have to be decided and executed by the players….that’s just pablum.
The best coach in the World that doesn’t have a clue how to coach backline play, but you’re right HasBeen Cheika was a disastrous coach.
The fact is Mozart - the above applies to both White and Meyer. Fom the start you refuse to acknowledge real proof of another piece of shit spreading without any evidence to come up with. The Springboks under Erasmus did play 15 man rugby and scored more backline attacking play tries than ever happened under Erasmus even before he appointed Browne as backline attack coach, You can watch many videos about tryscoring both statistically as well as real examples confirming the real situation.
Backline attacking rugby includes something you proved to know zero about, Take a simple example shitspreader you used to call the coaching under White and Meyer for years kcking the shit out of balls by the flyhalfs "Traditional Springbok Rugby" and did not even now why the All Blacks was successful in beating teams by tries scored by backline players, Just go back to the two coaches mentioned. In the case of the All Blacks they were successful in tryscoring at a higher rate than other teams because they did something exactly opposite to what the other teams did.
They did not use their loosies as an extension of the Tight 5 forwards like virtually all Springbok coaches did with Meyer and White both being examples/ Just look at the difference under Erasmus when it comes to loose forwards using in backline attacks and stats will confirm it. Erasmus started with it in 2018 and a simple example was that in playof matches in the two World Cups previously won by the Spingboks tryscoring by backlines was never used during the play-off stages of the 1995 and 2007 RWS. In the 2019 RWC final stages the Springboks won the RWC by involving Marx and Du Toit in scoring the two tries in the final In the semifinals in 2007 the boks scored two tries in 2007 in the semi against Argentina and zero in the final. In 2019 it entails one try in the Semi and two in t he final - all 3 by backline players and in the final invovlng forwards in attaking play.
When thinking people saw deficiencies were pointed out to you in 2015 and poined out that Alberts was a waste of space in rugby you defended it by referring to it as "Traditional Springbok Rugby"- whatsoever that shit means. A firther proof that was proven was that White was fired as coach 4 times becase of that deficiency and so was Meyer and Coetzee. In the latter two cases becaise they were destroying both the Springboks and because it was clearly stated by the clubs that they were destroying the two clubs taking them to a stage that they would be dropped down to play second level rugby. What you were defending in the past you are now accusing Erasmus of doing.
Meyer desperately tried to use Pollard as a kicking dummy like Morne Steyn was and nearly destroyed Pollard in playing a different tye of rugby he was not used to be. Afte the only win against the AB's Pollard was in and out o the team until the Japan disaster in 2015 after which he played in all the reamining matches, In the semi against he AB's Du Preez passed the ball to different players 52 times of which only 16 passes was made to Pollard and only in cases where he was to make relieving kicks to find touch.
In numerous statements Pollard claimed that Erasmus saved his career as a player by allowing him to play his natural game. You wanted to find something like the above shit to criticze Erasmus for and you found it in using the term you defended in 2015 applying that shit to Erasmus.
Yes execution is by the players, direction is given by the coach
Dave
The fact is caaches must decide on game plans - taking into account also the strength and weaknesses of opposing teams and then coach the player t perfect the implementatiion of the plan by the players,
That was the missing point in all coaches since 2000 since none of the coaches of them decided on game plans on an efficient basis - if any. That is where the difference between Erasmus and the other coaches were,
Well, Rassie has been snubbed now for how many years. Him and Nienaber won the World Cup twice in a row and on both occasions they snubbed them. This is probably due to Rassies Antics and never going beyond 7 wins.
If you asked me who is the best Director of Rugby, the Rassie hands down if you look at the all the political BS he had to deal with.
Saying the current Bok side does not need a coach is not only the stupidest thing ever said it also shows how low Moffie is diving to try discredit Rassie - this is beyond desperate
As per usual I have Moffie’s number - whether it’s about how brilliant our coach is or the prop
pre engage or expecting 2m tall players to effect turnovers
Its a walk in the park
Once again you lie….you are getting as bad as Clever Mike. You know perfectly well I limited that statement to only the Bargies…..I said we could beat the Bargies without a coach and that’s all. Your lying is beyond desperate, it’s the feeble response of a stupid man.
And Chat surveying the rugby literature concludes that any illegal pre engage rarely benefits the team.
Finally as a rebuttal to Dud’s inability to fetch I present Lawes who Chat confirms is noted for fetching and he provides a match winning example.
Losses on every front Porker. What lie are you going to produce next,
Okay, since this is supposedly about the best coach in the world, let’s start with the Kabouter’s statement: “Yes, execution is by the players, direction is given by the coach.”
Fair enough, but let’s test that against what actually happened this season.
We can ignore the first four games of the year because they were little more than warmups. Then came...
Game 5 against Australia at Ellis Park. The Boks started brilliantly, playing excellent rugby for 20 minutes and racing into a big lead. Everything looked fine until Dave’s hero, Manie, threw a nothing pass to nobody, triggering a complete collapse. From that moment, Manie failed to read the game, showed no sense of positional play, and the coaching team, full of messages as always, somehow failed to send the one message that mattered: “You’ve got a big lead. Stop playing like you’re chasing the game!” The result was a massive, record-breaking loss that could have been avoided with better direction.
In Game 6, Rassie panicked and retreated into his shell. Out went the experiments and in came the old guard, Pollard, De Allende, Kriel, and the rest. He clearly feared losing twice to Australia, which would have ended their Rugby Championship hopes. The veterans did what veterans do: they steadied the ship but produced an unconvincing, grinding win that relied more on experience than quality rugby.
By Game 7, Rassie had convinced himself that the side from the second Australia test was his best lineup. He stuck with them, and the Boks wasted a golden chance to finally break the Eden Park record. This would have been the game that he would have been targeting since last year. It was the game, of all the games this year, that he would really have wanted ot win. But the Boks never looked like winning. The game plan was stale and uninspired, with almost no cohesion or creativity. It was basic stampkar rugby, the kind that completely ignores the backline and hopes the forwards will somehow carry the day. Never forget that at the moment in time, that gameplan and team are what Rassie believed to be his best. He was completely wrong.
Game 8 brought another moment of crisis. A loss in Wellington would have meant the Rugby Championship was gone again. Rassie selected a team designed to take on the All Blacks, this time including Andre Esterhuizen in midfield. The “Hail Mary” selection delivered, the Boks produced a record win and looked like a completely different team. But here’s what’s important: this wasn’t the side Rassie believed was his best. That team was the one that got dominated at Eden Park. The victory in Wellington came because the players, not the system, made it happen. They bailed him out.
In Game 9 against Argentina, Rassie once again seemed uncertain. He kept most of the Wellington team but dropped Esterhuizen for De Allende, instantly dulling the backline. He dropepd Esterhuizen despite what was a Godly performance from Andre in the Wellington game. The difference this time was individual brilliance — Sacha delivered one of the best flyhalf performances ever seen against a Tier 1 side. He scored two brilliant solo tries, created another for Kolbe, and had the awareness to tell the referee there were still seconds left in the first half after Argentina scored, which led to yet another Bok try. It ended in a record win, but that was all down to Sacha’s genius, not Rassie’s tactics.
By Game 10, Rassie seemed to believe he’d found his ideal combination. Once again, he ignored Esterhuizen at 12 and went with De Allende. This time, Sacha didn’t produce another miracle performance, he looked human. The backline achieved nothing, and all the points came through the forwards via Reinach and Marx. The Boks scraped a narrow win that was probably worth more than two points on balance, but the scoreboard said otherwise.
So there is my summary of events and, for me, it doesn't point to a genius best in the world type coach but rather a coach that makes plenty of mistakes but is bailed out by the sheer talent present in the side.
Say what you like, but after oodles of experimenting for a season and a half, he got the selections for Eden Park totally wrong...and was then bialed out. And lets also not forget that Hooker had played all of 30 minutes in a Bok Jersey before he was chucked in at the deep end in Wellington.
So, indeed, the coach picks the team and the tactics, and he has picked the wrong team and been confused about his best mode for victory for most of this season.
BS from the idiotic Plum again. Go and talk to and listen to rugby experts before you came up with BS on the site. In your garbage the coach is to be blamd for mistakes made by players and in your shit argument you try to find fault with opinions expressed on site by oher members ,
Grow up and stop spreading shit on site.
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Mike, i can promsie you that i do not read a thing you post on this site.
Look, I was pissed when we lost to Australia, I think we could have do better against NZ and for a few soft moments in the first 20 min.
But other than that, can complain about selections and rotation policy, but the players have no break and now have a 12 month season.
It is not pretty rugby but we've had patches. However the boks always switch on during the world cup year when all the players come together for a extended run.
However, now we see the boys winning and I think I'm the world cup year we could see a completely different animal than what we saw before.
5 games left with Ireland and France, maybe Japan being a banana peal or could of be Italy or Wales.
2026 is a strange year with no championship and this new rugby league format coming to the fore.
Then it is the world cup year.
Boks are on track
Rassie is the best coach
Excellent Plum summary of a confused year, which leaves us with no settled center pairing…..two playing styles that are used alternatively on a ‘if we lose try the other one’ basis….no emerging captain…..confusion among the locks and one fullback.
Crucially we have not fire tested our running game in a close win. In the first Oz test the coaches abandoned it when things got tight. Against NZ and Bargie we won going away against opponents who imploded.
We haven’t won a five point game playing expansive rugby….will we even try if things get close. Or is Brown ball just a decoration and critically dependent on Sacha staying healthy.
Seems to me we are exactly where I predicted at this stage of the season in terms of results, but far behind where we should be on critical strategic direction.
I think the litmus test is to answer whether Rassie would achieve the same with the depths available to any other nation.
There are the Bok old guard that he inherited. A big group of quality players just hitting their prime when he got them.
Then, when you look at who he has added, there have been very few anomalies or genius picks. Pretty much the guys we all said should be there. Crucially, due to the current depth in SA , all of them are hyper talented and better than the younger players anybody else is adding to their Test squads.
No?
Well tell me who else is adding Hookers and Sacha's squads? Who else has the luxury of ignoring a Roos? Who else has guys like Hankeom and Elrigh Elrigh Louw injured and doesn't miss a beat. Who else can lose an Arendse and yank Edwil from the Lions to score tries in his stead. Who else gets Ox and Wilco the moment his older props fade? Hell, there are probably 4 Test level back rows in SA right now. Trokkie, J Wiese, K Wiese Elrigh, Hanekom, Tsitsuka, Eskom, PSDT, Dups, Kwagga, Kolisi...an endless list of back row players and non of them look out of place in Test rugby...and those are just off the top of my head.
I mean, it should be pretty clear by now that Rassie has more stock than anybody. He has more than many teams combined. I'd venture as far as to say that he has more depth to select from than all of the Uk and Ireland combined.
If you'd like to answer who the best coach is, you can't ignore the chips they're dealt.
Could Rassie have achieved what he did without what's available to him in SA?
But according to you idiots the Bok players are not that good
How much negativity has been thrown the way of Willie, Jessie Kriel, de Allende, Libbok, Kitshoff, Malherbe, Thomas, Wessels, Lood, Kolisi and PSDT - the core of the side
How is this squad different to the one that contained Percy, Habana, JP, Frans Steyn, Jean, Fourie, Butch, du Preez, Os, Bismark, Smit, Jannie, CJ vd Linde, Guthro Steenkamp, Bakkies, Matfield, Schalk, Juan, Bobby etc
Or Joubert, Hendricks, Smal, Chester, Japie Mulder, Hennie, Stransky, Joost, Os, Dalton, Balie, Wiese, Strydom, Andrews, Pienaar, Andre Venter, Ruben Kruger etc
Dave
How can anyone ve taken seiously is that coaches in all codes of sport are not nececessary and not needed, That must really the most idiotic statement made on this site, It is not worthwhile to answer BS supreme to Idiots supreme