Will De Allende play in the test next week?

From the center out - most tackles are made against direct opponents - that does not apply to flyhalfs at all.   Are you lot stupid or what.

Pakie is onto his BS again.  Here is the only ESN stats played against Australia in 2015 iro Pollard:-

11 tackles made suddenly changed to 14 and 4 tackles missed is changed into 3.

The fact is the concoction is not worth discussing further,

You are so wrong. I keep asking myself, how much deeper can he dig? It must be lonely on your journey to the centre of the earth. 

Oh, and I can confirm that Pakie is correct. It's not the first time stats weren't collected accurately. I keep warning you, but you never listen! If you want a copy of the game I can upload it via torrent. It makes all the difference, having the actual game footage. Take notes in future. 

Ou Maaik, I didn't provide these for any purpose other than demonstrating the variety of players that a flyhalf can be called on to tackle. Having run through them again quickly, Giteau at 46:46 should be a miss, which I neglected to indicate. The 52:03 on Phipps may or may not count as a tackle for a statistician because Phipps passed just as Pollard grabbed hold of him, that's why I indicated "forced pass", because that's what Pollard did.  He did have to physically challenge the player though, so for the purposes we are doing this for (indicating the variety of players that a flyhalf can be called on to tackle) I'm happy to leave that in there.

Get away from your obsession with stats and think about what is being explained to you.

I asked Clever Mike before, what is the criteria used for a successful or missed tackle? He didn't answer me. I asked him again, how do they gauge metres run? Again, he didn't answer me. There are so many problems with stats that they can never be relied upon like he relies upon them. He'll interpret an entire game by numbers. Numbers he cannot verify are accurate. This is why we butt heads with him, because he is adamant this is fool proof. 

A successful tackle if a ball carrier is brought to ground - a missed tckle is when he keeps the ball and carried on the attack.   If the "genius" Turker believes he is  does not know that, one can only admire his real  stupidity.

The other question is equally stupid - the distance of ball carries is measured from the pot where the where the recipient receives the ball to the point 

*   where he is tackled; or 

*   where he passed - off- loaded - scored a try 

The actins are also based on line breaks defenders beaten and other pertinent factoes 

I do not rely on stats - matter of fact stats can only be used to indicate player abilities and deficiencies when taken over a series of games.   However, when it comes to some stats  it is always accurate (ie tackles made and missed - line breaks and defenders beaten as well as scrum wins. penalties conceded and line-out particulars.   

There are two arguments here - the one coming from Lurker - basing his arguments on make-believe and skyscrapers and trying to invent facts from fiction and then we have Pakie who try and invent his own stats.

Despite all the BS written by Lurker - there are stats used by all reputable coaches giving far more detail than what is given by ESPN  and they also look at a series of games to determine flopped players over a period of time.   

Fact is invention of abilities of players is the  biggest load of BS one can ever imagine.

Pakie - just get it straight - Pollard never made 14 tackles in that game - so how accurate I your assessment.     You had the same problem in the past and your findings were in fact BS.   

Mozart

Your BS has reached new heights - are you not ashamed of writing BS/

Pakie - just get it straight - Pollard never made 14 tackles in that game - so how accurate I your assessment.

Nope, as I said, I forgot to designate 46:46 as missed, and 52:03, as I indicated with (forced pass), was a physical contact forcing the player to pass. So, we have at least 12 clearly verifiable completed tackles. But it's not about the exact number here, Mike. It is about the players he had to tackle. Here is your claim:

Fact is the Lurker is a rugby genius that has evolved a new format were Flyhalf tackles no 13 and inside centers has to tackle wings. 

Pollard had to tackle numbers 12, 13, 4, 14, 7, 6, 11 and physically challenge #9. It's not a "new format", as you claimed. It's basic rugby.

In the same game Damian had to tackle numbers 13, 11, 14, 15, 12, 7, 8. So yes, inside centers do have to tackle wings. And forwards. In fact, out of the 21 statistical tackle attempts Damian made in that game, only 2 involved his opposite number 12. Just like Damian and Nonu only  once encountered each other directly in the All Black game that same year.

Pakie

If you use the wrong figures - how can one trust the rest of your statement.   You first fouled up on the number of tackles made and missed by Pollard and then only posted less than half he tackles made \by De Allende in that test. 

One has to be careful to come up with generalized statements and I never said flyhalfs tackled their direct opponents.   The halfbacks have to be the second line of defense against forwards - so a lot of flyhalf tackles are of forwards.  

The fool Lurker always talk about defense - but what you wrote above is defensive chaos.  There definitely does not seem to be any defensive lines at play in the case if your allegations are true.   Not surprising that so many missed tackles are in evidence.

There is another problem in the whole scenario.  Backline players run attacking lines, which does impact defense.   But to say that it always is the case that anybody tackle anybody other than his direct opponent is crap.    To imply that all line breaks occur without any involvement of direct opponents is also crap.

I m afraid that your assessment in that test was always  flawed.

Holy fu.ck!

I can't believe I'm seeing this! Someone so behind the times that its ridiculous. The last time I saw someone refer to direct opponent tackling, was in primary school. From set phase, the most basic and most common defence is inside-out, where the 9 defends on 10, 10 on 12, etc... In broken play or second phase play, it is whoever is lined up on your outside.

Like in Pakie's example... Most of Pollard's tackles were on Giteau... Some real BASIC shit right there!!!

Outside defenders operate differently depending on the defensive system (rush, press, drift or shift).

Yes ... I fully agree ... relying on stats as your go to source is foolishness.

It never tells the entire story.

Turns out Jerk Off does have a lonely grey cell lurking around in the background somewhere.

Just wish he tap into it more often.

CC

If you read what I said about using of stats it is clear that stats -

*   can effectively only indicate tends in performance by players during a series or even part of a series; and

*   some stats as to tackles made and missed are accurate and if an evaluation is made like Pa kie did and it differed from the actual numbers it is in fact BS.   How can he find different figures  that is repeatedly checked before final publication.

Careful of the Trooth Fairy - another real BSter on site.

Clever Mike and his new pet CleanCut:

Lurker

I do not post pictures on site - since it rarely relates to rugby and give false impressions of occurrences if it does.   It is in the first case a sick minds that go to that level.  Go and consult a shrink - you obviously suffer from delusion.

It was a joke 

Lurker

I am going through a tough time and my sense of humor is seriously deficient at present.   Sorry about that though.

So that's where my favorite hat got to.

Please return it ASAP because the WiFi is giving me cancer.