Willemse struggling at 12

That was a remarkably unconvincing display by our new anointed 12

Sacha also didn't set the world alight in that match...you can say the same about him then...which will be absurd, but yet ...

About as absurd as saying Hooker is struggling at 13?

Bullshit he was good at 12 far better than Esterhuizen was and easily the best centre on the field

Clearly you have not seen Hooker at 13 in his past 3 games for if you have then you are as rugby ignorant as I know you are

12 Damian Willemse: The Springboks star hit the ground running upon his return to action after injury and showed his class with his playmaking ability throughout. Despite that, he was kept in check by the Bulls defence but he also came to the fore with an impressive defensive display.

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Hardly sounds like a failure now does it

Ignore is bliss

Willemse was clueless at 12…as for Hooker’s form at 13, it wasn’t good. But no worse than Willemse at 12. Do you think JJ will get back on the bench

Stop lying there was nothing clueless about Willemse at 12 - you know fuck all about centre play anyway

Clueless and piss poor at 12 was Esterhuizen

Hooker was piss poor at 13

JJ is injured - JP best hope he recovers soon so that he can have a real 13 back in his side and move Hooker back to wing where he belongs for now

Hooker is not fast enough for wing….his place is in the centers. JJ isn’t fast enough for center, perhaps scrumhalf where his pace deficiency won’t be as much of a problem

JJ is faster than Hooker and saying he is not quick enough for centre confirms the fact you really do know fuck all

If Hooker is to play centre then it best be 12 for it certainly is not 13 at this stage

I’d be surprised to see JP retain him there this coming weekend. He better hope JJ is fit

No Julius is slow, Hooker has more top end….we saw that against the ABs in his 50m break

Bullshit is JJ slow, he is quicker than Hooker of that I have no doubt

His explosive pace off the mark is unmatched in SA and his pace overall is on par with the likes of Jessie Kriel, Moodie etc

Give us the proof, almost every other poster except Vaccine who is losing it very fast, think JJ has a top end problem,

Bullshit do other posters think JJ lacks pace other than you and Plum - shock, shock

Watch his highlights video and come tell me he is slow - fucking hell it’s embarrassing

Mapimpi glides away from him in the video….JJ is not fast

Enough of JJ until his coaches take him seriously. Let’s get back to Willemse at 12. Willemse at 10 was a flop, everybody claims because his kicks got charged, but he never really created at 10. So will he create at 12.

I don’t see evidence that he is an exceptional passer or tactical kicker. He has that step….but the days of Horan like 12s seem to have gone. Yes Kerevi has a step. But he also has bulky power. Willemse is a tall lad and not suited to constant collisions…,that’s more Esterhozen and Dud’s thing.

The big positive point is the Wellington test…but while he was brilliant, apart from the bulldozed try it was mostly open field stuff.

Watching him on Saturday was much like watching him at 10….he seemed a bit clueless. Against all those questions we have 3 seasons including a WC of him excelling at 15. If he was 24 there might be a case for an experimenting with a change, but he’ll be 28 in a few months.

Some may want to see Fassi and Willemse in the same backline. But so far Willemse has been the better fullback. Although I suppose Fassi, Arendse, JJ, Willemse, Kolbe, Sacha and Williams will be a final affirmation that we don’t need quota selections.

Bullshit re Mapimpi

Nonsense about him being clueless on Saturday - based on what exactly? You seriously make stuff up

You also seem to have this perception that players always have outstanding games

Willemse’s performance on Saturday encouraged me in terms of his carries in traffic - it’s one area he will always find unreasonable comparisons with DA and AE.

There was one occasion he beat a few defenders with his stepping - a trade mark of his.

Nothing has changed - 12’s still mostly operate in traffic, but what sets him apart is his ability to create something from nothing thanks to his step and power - it’s sets him apart from DA and AE.

But those moments will be few and far between because that’s the nature of the modern game

His best moment in the NZ test was his try and try assist - both set up from the 12 spot

His kicking is better than DA’s and AE’s which is a bonus

He is not going to be ripping defences apart at will in each game - simply impossible from 12 in today’s game

He was good on Saturday, nothing special and the same can be said of Sacha - evidencing that players can’t be expected to set the world alight in every game they play

Disagree on him at 15, he has always been good at stepping and creating from the step but you have never seen him create from the back, hitting the line at pace or out sprinting the opposition given the space he is afforded at the back

Fassi on the other hand is excellent at running a great line from deep or setting up something from a counter both thanks to his pace

For me it’s simply not up for debate - it’s definitely Fassi at 15 and Willemse at 12 both because it’s their best positions and I would definitely want them both in my starting 15

These two positions are locked in for me as are Sacha at 10 and Kolbe and Arendse on the wings

Up for grabs are 13 with Moodie the front runner - I really like him there, JJ and Henco v Wyk. I think JJ is a star in the making - he excites me as much as Sacha does. Henco can’t stay away from injury - it’s ridiculous how often this lad is injured but boy does he have a knack of busting tackles. Hooker is still an option at 13, but of late less and less so. I see him as a back up to Willemse at 12 but always in the match 23

At 9 it’s Williams and vd Bergh but they might both be blown out of the water by Baby Bok sensation Hashim Pead - this kid is special

JJ excites you…as much as Sacha…..okay time to get real. Most of your JJ highlights were against school boys. Sacha ripped up the top teams in the world. There is a difference

"Disagree on him at 15, he has always been good at stepping and creating from the step but you have never seen him create from the back, hitting the line at pace or out sprinting the opposition given the space he is afforded at the back"

Well, that's just patently untrue

Being just as excited about JJ as I am Sacha does not mean I think JJ is as good or will ever make the test impact Sacha has

Sacha is on another planet and excites everyone

Centres are my favourite positions in the game and JJ represents all the best attributes of a test 13, so hence the excitement

The reason for the contant loses of the Sharks is in thei backline, Their forwaards are good enoug - their backline is shit in both he flyhalf and center positions.

I blame Hendrikse and Estehuizen for the poor performance of the Sharks backline.in the test on Saturday.

"I lame Hendrikse and Estehuizen"

Off course you do...and yes, you are lame for blaming these two for all of the Sharks backline problems.

Lol M!

At least you're one of the WP boys that can look beyond its borders and not live in bias...like oom kak praat Michael

I keep hoping ou Mampara Mozzietard will find a rugby position which he understands.

There appears to be none.

Hooker at this stage is clearly a better wing.

JJ reminds me somewhat of Daniel Gerber.

Great swerve and change of direction. Good acceleration and certainly doesn't look slow!

What the MGU is missing is that backs thrive off good go forward ball. The Stormers pack struggled a bit in the scrums. Certainly not the great go forward ball delivered by the Bok pack.

The match against the Bulls was very fiercely contested for 80 minutes. Bodies were put on the line and it was do or die. The defence of both sides was tremendous and often brutal.

If you can nail down a player of the brilliance of Sacha one could expect the same to happen to Willemse.. Both were of course marked men.

Mozzietard is all confused once again and the Gimp are in tow!.

Plumstr's obsession with Esterhuizen is unhealthy and not really based on performance. Andre had a couple of barging runs and not much more. Lacks the silky skills of Alllende.

Hope JJ makes it back soon. Put Hooker back on the wing. At this point in time it's the obvious thing to do.

Spot on Beeno

Yes JJ is just like Danie Gerber….hahaha….priceless, the dumbest comment of the year so far,

That's not what he said...but yeah go ahead and ridicule...

Yes, Beens...we know they may AE has never played for the Stormers and that DDA is from Cape Town.

Are there any other biases you'd like to wear on your sleeve today?

There h as been plenty facts about Esterhuizen _ he just is not a center's ase - or perhaps he is. He is slow and strong in traffic - but his ball skills and thinking rug by is way beyond his capacity and is not all that good in defese as well. A poor center on Franchise level - proved aain on Saturday. Defintely not good enough to play center on test level

The proof of the pudding in he end i the performance of the S harks on URC and Rugby Cup level. They lost 8 out of 10 matches played and that is because their backline performances are way below par and for that they msut blame shot poor 10's and 12's

The Sharks have winning forwards and losing backlines. Simple answers, their performance problems start in the backline players,

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Mike, I don't read your posts. Learn how to edit.

It seems poor Mampara Mozzie is now having reading comprehension problems.

Can't but wonder if the poor guy is now suffering from mental issues.

Plumster quick thinking and a great skills set are essential ingredients for a top class center.

Andre has brute strength but is not quite up to scratch in the above mentioned areas. My assessment is of course entirely objective and correct as it usually is!

Bye the way could you do me a favor and try to explain to poor Mozzietard what I said about JJ. Maybe you can get through to him. Hahahahaha. what a blunder that was.

Both bulls and stormers played abysmal rugby, massive factor was the Cape Doctor, AKA south easter. I grew up on the field of Table View and your touchies game in the summer end up chasing ball for 3 length of the soccer fields just to retrieve ball. That wind is the devil. So not great for a passing or fluid game. Everybody seems to forget that.

Then, just watched the highlights of the Northampton game and there is a reason why they are one of the top teams in Europe. They have backline players that don't look like traditional backline players, but they are very lean players with exceptional skills and passing ability. Running great angles, crisp passing, short, long, etc. Their tries were out of this world and all of their backline players are under 24 or something. No wonder the bools got destroyed by them last season. They use their big forwards and then use their guile in the backline. I think their backline play is even better than Leinster and it is not high risk high reward, just very smart and quick decision making. Running into space, off loading and finding the inside man, great support line. Fantastic advertisement for rugby which doesn't make it all about flashy play but just incredible ball skills.

Our backline play between our two best teams was awful. We have two bok backlines and they couldn't put any decent performance on the field.

Papier, Pollard, Kriel, Willie etc were clueless.

Reinach, Zulu Boy, Willemse, Gelant.

Those are huge names. They were shit.

End of.

Willemse is a 15, he is like a deer in headlight every time he touches the ball. Always takes the ball in two hands, then jumps up and then sets of on a step and then tries to pass. I have watched him do it so many times. There are absolutely no brain cells.

Very athletic, great runner but no brains.

Never mind HasBeen I comprehend exactly what you are saying, you see Julius as the new Gerber. You also see Pead succeeding at the Sharks, even though he is playing for the Lions.

I don’t pay much attention to what you see.

Good post Corn, you nailed it

Knowing that rugby noobs like Moffie and naked racists like KKKcorn don't like or rate Damian Willemse is quite reassuring.

Until the arrival of SFM, DW was the player I used to call our best Springbok. He remains our second best Springbok, whatever position this visionary, versatile and courageous competitor plays. That try he scored receiving the ball relatively stationary with the pass way above his head against the All Blacks is an example of everything I'm saying here . . . among countless other match-winning performances for province and country.

If you don't rate DW, you have to also be stupid enough to not rate Rassie and/or PSdT . . . and yes, such people do exist.

Yep Rooi imagine being stupid enough to declare Willemse has no brains - wow

King - chuck in the towel you are fucking clueless

Willemse is a 12 - try wake up

Lol

"Watching him on Saturday was much like watching him at 10….he seemed a bit clueless. Against all those questions we have 3 seasons including a WC of him excelling at 15."

You always rush out the gates, Rooi.

I don't like Willemse for 12 either. Guess that must mean I hate him too, even though I rate him highly and like him very much, and have done for a damn long time.

Nice to know you’re enjoying my Saints side though, Kingcorn !

Vaccine and HasBeen are pretty much on here to score petty points. Unfortunately as the last few posts clinically demonstrated….it’s usually points against them.

Rofl!

Fuck there is stupid and then you get this - Willemse has been excelling at 15 for 3 seasons - has he really?

Let’s try work out why he has been used at 15…….a long hard think about this - could it have something to do with de Allende I wonder???

Willemse’s best ever game for the Boks has been at 12 and that’s a fact

Anyone who does not like him at 12 is plain rugby ignorant