You lot woken up to JJ yet

The only 13 in SA able to rip defences apart through explosive pace off the mark and a lovely step. The lad glides

Had his offload gone to hand that would have been a great try

The best outside center since Engelbrecht

Best outside centre since Etsebeth

Who is JJ?

david kriel??

We are aware of Juju Dave, just not convinced by him yet. Yes, he looks a dangerous runner, but his defensive work and judgement isn't where it needs to be. Remember the two terrible passes a few weeks ago, one intercepted, the other intercepted from his receiver because he completely sold him out? How he couldn't subdue little Lowry who was manhandled to the tune of two yellow cards all game to prevent the offload in the tackle that led to a try? Lots of work.

He should definitely start ahead of Am for the Sharks though. Am is spent.

Yep, which is what I told Dawie from the start.

He needs more time. I literally said give him a few years, but Dawie was like "No, he is good enough now and must be included immediately."

Though, here's another problem...

De Klerk - Weight: 91 kg (201 lb)

Height: 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in)

Juju - Weight: 96 kg

Height: 1,78 m

Yes, De Klerk is on the wing right now, but he'd be just as good at 13. And he's way faster than JJ, better on defence and is playing far better rugby. And that's just one guy. That's before we talk about Moodie, Hooker...

I'm hoping JJ improves, but he has a hill to climb. A big one.

Bullshit his defence is fine - it’s what he shows with ball in hand that makes him stand out

No other 13 has the ammunition he does. He is able to exploit space like no other SA 13 does. You can’t coach that stuff.

He showed it at junior level and has been able to transfer it to senior level.

The opportunities are scarce especially playing for a struggling Sharks side but in his last two outings he has managed to make breaks that set him apart. It’s that explosive pace off the mark that sees him exploit inches of space. He also has a good eye for exploiting those opportunities. It helps that he is stocky and compact like Henco v Wyk to carry him on those bursts. He definitely glides and has a good step

Yes he is by no stretch the finished article but he is only 21 and it’s more about the hints of what he can offer that makes him a better long term prospect than anyone else

I see ignorant Buttplug now reckons de Klerk could just slot into 13 and do a better job than JJ the same Seb that played many games at 13 for the Pumas and failed - why is that? He does not have the software for a 13 - but that’s beyond Buttplug - Roos at 12 says it all

Dawie, you're simply not able to handle different opinions like an adult.

There's no point.

No my issue with you is your pathetic childish need to seek JJ out and throw a load of ignorant negative shit his way - exposing your rugby ignorance in the process

Get a fucking life - embrace the young talent instead of being a childish dick - all because I rate him

Do you know how pathetic and childish that is?

Childish Dawie = This guy is amazing and though he is 20(his age when this discussion began), must be included in the Boks squad immediately...because I say so. He glides.

Mature Everybody Else = Hold on, let's give him time to develop and build his game before chucking him in. We don't know enough about him yet.

Childish Dawie = He is amazing, he's fantastic. Fuck you and everyone that doesn't agree that he should be a Bok right now. You're all ignorant cunts.

It's very easy to find the child, Dawie. Just follow the sound of tantrums...

ohhh ive caight up... Jurenzo.

Dave, give the guy a year to settle. He is still learning his trade.

He has the raw skill but I'm not sure he is ready for the Boks yet.

Great talent. Wonderful career so far. i've been following him since his dayts at Paul Roos. He'll certainly become a bok in the coming season or 2.

There is no point says Plum.

My responses to a decade of hateful comments re Rassie makes me hateful.

Pointing out the error of their spiteful diatribe is not liked by the loons. You can't make up this BS.

As for JJ he has extraordinary talent.

Put him in a Bok team and see how he goes. Defence is a team effort and depends also on each person knowing their responsibilities and how the system works.

As for JJ Englebrecht I saw a clip the other day were he scored a remarkable try. Great stepping. He had talent for sure but it was never brought to fruition.

Ah so Buttplug, it’’s a figment of my imagination that you childishly feel the need to target JJ with your ignorant shit huh?

All because I rate him

Grow up

Dave, it's pretty obvious that I focus a bit more on JJ because I know it annoys you.

But my opinion on him isn't affected by you.

As I told you, long before any of this...he needs time.

And that statement was all too much for you...see post above about childishness/tantrums.

Here, have a read of this thread from February...My opinions aged very well. Yours didn't. Yet at the time you didn't hesitate to call me all the names under the sun for having those opinions. When we told you Hooker was outperforming him...well, that was another reason for you to start hurling insults. Where is Hooker now, and where is JJ?

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/rugby/jurenzo-/50360

Like I said, a CHILD!

After a quite logical conversation where nobody insulted you...this was your response, simply because others had a different opinion(And lets remember that Rassie and the coaching staff ended up being of the same opinion as the rest of us in that JJ needs more time):

"Fuck me there are some serious idiots on this site

So we have Julius being judged based on some offloads not going to hand in wet conditions

You twats are seriously pathetic

The guy has been simply awesome all season and one game where he hardly featured given the conditions and circumstances and suddenly he is slow small and shit

FUCK OFF you pathetic ignorant pricks

Jurenzo Julius is going to be a Bok great"

You are fucking childish with your juvenile attacks on a young player

Hooker has never out performed JJ certainly not in terms of beating defenders

But given they are playing different positions it’s hardly conducive to comparing them - both are centres but unfortunately Hooker is being wasted on the wing

JJ is better equipped to beat defenders one on one, Hooker is bigger and more physical

In terms of raw talent, JJ walks it

If JJ is so great, why is he not in the Springbok Squad yet?? Maybe he is another candidate like Roos…..

or maybe “ Gliding “ alone, is not enough for Erasmus.

Same can be said of Jordan Hendrikse, Seb de Klerk, Tyrone Green, Tambwe, Quan Horn, Henco v Wyk, David Kriel, Papier, Nohamba, AH Venter, Dweba, Hanro Jacobs, Frans Klopper, Sadie, Andre Smith, Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, Cobus Wiese, JF v Heerden, Buthelezi, Paul de Villiers, Ludwig, Vincent Tsituka, Ruan Venter, Manu Tsituka etc

"But given they are playing different positions it’s hardly conducive to comparing them - both are centres but unfortunately Hooker is being wasted on the wing"

No no no!

I was simply telling you that Hooker was more likely to be selected because he was playing better rugby. You disagreed. Hooker was selected, because he was playing better rugby, and then he blew up and is now looking like he'll easily get 100 caps...probably a lot more. I'm so incredibly stocked to be to know that we have him and Sacha for at least the next decade!!! With Willemse for another 5 years.

Right now, I still can't see JJ doing that. He's simply not in that conversation at the moment, for anyone but you. Anyway, I hope for you, and him, that he has much better season than he did last season. It's simply a fact that there are other guys right now that offer what he does and are doing it at a much higher success rate. Don't shoot the messenger.

Just because Hooker was selected means fuck all when it comes to Rassie - hell look no further than Roos, David Kriel, Ruben v Heerden, Vincent Tsituka etc

JJ is more gifted than Hooker - this will all play out when we see the backs of Jessie, DA, Am and AE

Over the past season or two JJ has excited me more as a player than Hooker has. Hooker is very good and impresses me more and more but he does not have the attacking X factor JJ has

Time will tell

So the real problem is Dr.Lucky….It really looks like he has blind spots in each position…..

Another Prop example is Carlu Sadie. This guy is in excellent form for Bordeaux Begles! But who gets picked, Zach Porthen ??

Yeah but he has selected Wilco, Thomas and a 21 year old in Porthen - hardly poor selections now are they?

Porthen doesn’t match Carlu Sadie, Francois Klopper or Hanro Jacobs in power and Experience.

Porthen is purely a transformation selection,100%!

Bullshit Porthen is a great prospect

Sadie is already 28 too close an age to Wilco and Thomas

Hanro is injured

I would have gone with Klopper but Porthen is a good call

Well i don’t agree. Nonsense that Sadie is to old. He is in top form and way way better than Porthen.

Klopper is also way better. Porthen is a Transformation pick.

How else would you explain it?? There is absolutely nothing special about him, other than his colour.

Sadie can scrum, he does fuck all else

Porthen was great for the Baby Boks where it counted - is very good in general play

And so far he has been part of a dominant Stormers scrum, anchoring it

There is fuck all transformative about his selection, that’s a pathetic cop out

It’s not pathetic to suggest transformation! Wake up…it’s happening here in SA in all facets of life.

Just look at where the sharks are going. That is pretty much where all of SA sport is going…..Dark-lands.

You sit there in England, playing with Rex,s balls, while back here in SA everything is going to shit…..you come here for holiday not living here, big Difference….

I will watch Porthen play more and especially scrum.

Carlu is not useless in general play, just go watch him play vs Bayonne for example….get your facts straight:)

Rassie on Evan Roos omission thread —

“You have the Roos situation at one end and then the selection of Zac Porthen at the other. The 21 year old has done nothing to merit selection given he has literally started one game for the Stormers. "

What about this comment Davies?? Jirre, but you a hypocrite!!

Wake up dumbfuck - I told you I’d have selected Klopper and Jacobs ahead of Porthen but that Zac was still a good selection given his age and the age of Wilco and Thomas

You miss my point - Roos has not been selected on the strength of his performances while Zac has been selected on the strength of his age and potential

Ag Fuck off you Egotistical hypocrite.

If you yourself would rather select Klopper and Hanro, because they so much better, what other reason can there possibly be for the inclusion of Porthen?

Another poor Erasmus selection.

Listen you fucking dumb Dutchman - I’ve seen enough of Porthen to know he is a good prospect

Now fuck off you racist twat

Aaaah the man calls me a racist, but tells me in a private chat that because of the K word, is his main reason for leaving SA !!

Your hypocrisy stinks you loser… I treat Black people with respect….its the Black leadership that steal and oppress there own people, I have problem with.

Well at least I don’t call them the K word you fucking rock spider coward!

Wow you are one pathetic liar - provide evidence of our private chat you scum

I still have all our WhatsApp chat on my phone

Time to expose what a low life liar you are

LOL. How the hell do you guys manage to let things escalate to the level of private chats being compromised within just a few posts? Take a chill pill my dudes.

Well Pakie this lying prick has been down as leaving SA because I’m apparently a racist

Problem is I never delete any WhatsApp chats

This is the start of me chatting to this lying prick June 2022

‘Hi Dave. How are you? The weather must be better your side....then you can have a braai outside ....let's hope bulls win later ton...Keep Well. M

Me:

Hi good man - all good this end and yes weather is good. How’s the job going

All going good thanks...happy you guys have good weather.

Me:

Great win by the Bulls

Yes it was great! Man I like Johan Grobelaar , Mornay Smith and Gerhard Steenkamp... and Elrigh low what class this young man is....Marcelle leading them very well. Jake White is doing well with this team.’

I could go on

Let's have the rest of the chat then, haha...

>>>fetches popcorn

>>>is also amazed that Dawie knows how to copy and paste from WhatsApp to Ruckers.

Fuck off prick

Dawie, since text that has been copied and pasted can so easily be altered, I feel it my duty to inform you that only screenshots will suffice.

Normally, a live video recording of you scrolling through the chat would be the only type of evidence that would be admissible. However, since your poor grasp of technology is a well established fact at this point, it's quite obvious that altering screenshots is well beyond you. As such I will allow screenshots as evidence.

In summary, I have lowered the burden of evidence in this instance purely on the basis of your numptiness.

Kindly refer to my well structured guide on how to post images on Ruckers.

Kind regards

Your owner

Fuck off cunt

Screenshots, please.