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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jan 2021, 22:42
#1
21 Jan 2021, 22:42#1
Have some faith
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2021, 23:46
#2
21 Jan 2021, 23:46#2
Moz you losing your marbles bud?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 Jan 2021, 00:16
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22 Jan 2021, 00:16#3

One of his better posts ...... probably gesuip watching the DJI go ballistic.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jan 2021, 01:30
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22 Jan 2021, 01:30#4

You simply don’t get the subtlety of the message Blob.

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
22 Jan 2021, 01:58
#5
22 Jan 2021, 01:58#5
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jan 2021, 05:50
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22 Jan 2021, 05:50#6

Que?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2021, 05:53
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22 Jan 2021, 05:53#7

I suppose Mozart had in mind that there were three cabinet nominees by Biden for Cabinet positions who had serious allegations of ethic violations against them.   They were from the Obama and Biden clique who raided both the State and  Federal Governments under the Obama Mafia system.  No change in that one - ethics in US politics is non-existent in the case of the Democrats,      .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jan 2021, 06:51
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22 Jan 2021, 06:51#8

Mike,  the miracle is that people still go to work every day....and they work hard in the US.....while their government plans to take more of their earnings and give it away.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2021, 13:31
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22 Jan 2021, 13:31#9

Give it away while pocketing  some part of it  themselves or through their families?   I think they stopped the construction of a oil pipeline already and it is stated that 150 000 people will lose their jobs as a result.    What will the new unemployed  get in return - foodstamps?    

 I can see huge problems in the economy with the new Administration doing their best to  hasten a serious depression and huge unemployment in the USA.  I think there will be a honeymoon period before the real trouble comes in the 2022 mid-term election.  By then the voters will realize they have been sold a real load of BS.       

 From the results I have seen iiro the House there was a swing away from the Democrats with the Democratic majority reduced from 32  to 10 and the one seat in New York has not been declared as yet and might as well go to the Republicans  with their majority  reduced to 8.    The fact is if the Democrats keep going the way Biden and Harris wants to go - they will lose control of both the House and Senate in 2022.                

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AJHPro3,183 posts
23 Jan 2021, 21:01
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23 Jan 2021, 21:01#10

I fear that Bunker Biden will not last to the mid-term elections and Havana Harris will get off her knees and move up and assume a new position.

If things keep heading as they are with only 72 hours since taking over the White House the Demorats will be shocked at mid term.

Job losses, crime and taxes with the new mandates will destroy most of the marginal seats that they hold in congress.

Roll on mid term.

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
23 Jan 2021, 22:32
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23 Jan 2021, 22:32#11
Don't cry snowflakes.... Although given the younger voters are more Democratic (therefore less religious),  maybe you should be crying...
It looks like it is toast for the Republicans. There is also talk of changing the representation of senators to ensure cities (where the jobs are)- are given more of the electorate.Even in the red neck states, cities are Democratic majority. 
The current system is flawed, and most of the senators in the red neck areas are on the payroll of the Corporate dirty energy companies. 
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
25 Jan 2021, 17:56
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25 Jan 2021, 17:56#12

Trust you walk everywhere you go PLANK.

Good you are a good LEFTY.

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
25 Jan 2021, 18:57
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25 Jan 2021, 18:57#13

Your ideology is dying.  Sure conservatism will always exist, just not your religious Arab brand of conservatism. (or Neo-Nazism alt-right passing itself off as a nationalism). 

The Alt-right dummies think they are Gods chosen people, but younger generations fact check and have established your system of "beliefs" to be BS... The insurance policy for an afterlife is a joke, and cant be cashed in on. 

If the Republicans want to win another election, they are going to need to change.
What is more likely is they are finished, and the Democrats will split into 2 parties going forward. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jan 2021, 20:16
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25 Jan 2021, 20:16#14

What ideology dim SB?   Do you even realize what the word means?   Ideology deals with issues to be used for political gain and is normally associated with dictatorships where it is the be all and end all of the regimes so as to remain in power.   

Political policies are different in that it covers all aspects of life and  in democracies try to enhance human dignity, conditions of life and  ell-being of people.   In the USA the only party wth elements of ideology resent is the left wing of the Democrats, - who basically is clopsely associated with communism.   The Republican Party has policies and I have not come across anything that deals with  ideology, 

Who are the ultra right people you talk about?    The KKK is the only ultra right group omn the USA  and they are not even allowed in any relationship with the Republicans..   The latter party is a center-right party -  the Democrats a left-center party controlled by the Left.  I agree they will split between the moderates the Party used to be and the Leftists.   However, they would not make the grade after splitting since it is very hard to build up a Party in the USA.    90%  of the moderates will join the Republican Party instead.        

Why don't  you comment on the item on Taiwan posted by Denny,   There is big trouble coming to be started by your Communist heroes.   They are looking at further expansion to accommodate their gross population and silence their critics.    The fact is that I think the thinly populated Australia is high on their list of countries to be conquered  and that is so because of the fact that they have Biden by the shorts and  he will do nothing to prevent mayhem in the Far East.

              

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
25 Jan 2021, 20:34
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25 Jan 2021, 20:34#15
@CleverWanker,
No, ideology is actually much more than just politics - it is a frame of reference for interpreting the world. Why don't you fact check your own BS before shitting it out on this board? 

Ideology - Wikipedia

An ideology is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially as held for reasons that are not purely epistemic, in which "practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones." Formerly applied primarily to economic, political, or religious theories and ...
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AJHPro3,183 posts
25 Jan 2021, 20:50
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25 Jan 2021, 20:50#16

The KKK was formed by folks who were Democrats, run by folks like Senator Byrd and freed by the the folks from the north.

Those folks who freed the slaves were church going folks and believed that all people are born equal under God.

Just tell me exactly what the Demorats have done to assist the "Black Folks" from progressing as a people.

NOTHING.

They have enslaved the people of color by handing out meager food stamps, welfare and low paying wages.

 Which by the way is about to be raised to $15.00/hr. meaning that the guys jumping the border will all flock to those positions once they arrive and the locals will be cut off once again.

Wake up you stooge.



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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
25 Jan 2021, 21:27
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25 Jan 2021, 21:27#17
The Republicans "were" a good party - a long time ago. Not now. You are defeating your own argument by comparing what the Democrats did ages ago, to what positive actions they are doing now by increasing the minimum wage. 

A minimum wage is a good idea, as it stops slave labour. 15 dollars per hour is peanuts, and working for less than this is ridiculous. 

So you suggest that there should be no minimum wage- just because foreigners will try to get into the US for 15 dollars per hour... So the poor working class in America should not get a salary raise - just in case more foreign people arrive in the country... Tripe...

When you and CleverMike talk about the "working class", you are only talking about the white working class, not all Americans. Regardless - this is a big improvement for the working class.
Black people vote primarily for Democrats, so they certainly feel it is a better deal than what the Republicans do. The same Republicans have been using voter suppression tactics. The same people who lectured South Africa for not allowing black people to vote, and lecture other countries on Democracy. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jan 2021, 22:03
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25 Jan 2021, 22:03#18

There should be no minimum wage because it distorts the labor market and actually reduces employment. The whole system is based on the profit incentive....all other systems have failed. And logically in the profit system if wages are raised above their economic value, the demand for labor drops.

The best way to raise wages is the Trump way.....increase economic activity. And he was spectacularly successful doing just that. Longer term investing in capital increases labor productivity and also raises wages.....to do that raising taxes on capital should be avoided.

A minimum wage is a political tool .....it’s value as an economic tool disappeared with the Welsh coal mine owners.

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
25 Jan 2021, 22:22
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25 Jan 2021, 22:22#19
If capitalism was running in its optimum state of perfect competition (no monopolies or oligopolies), having no minimum wage could work. 
However, in the current market conditions, it is too much power to the corporates without having employee laws like a minimum wage.
E,g When corporates merge to dilute competition, one of the goals is to not add inflation to wages- so that each year employees get paid less- particularly lower-level jobs with less scope for advancement. 
Given most of the wealth is centralised in 2% of the world population, capitalism needs employee laws to make business fair and create some type of a power balance (in the absence of perfect competition). 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jan 2021, 22:50
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25 Jan 2021, 22:50#20

Having merged several Fortune 500 companies I can assure you wages are never reduced. But in almost every case jobs are made redundant by the merger and employees displaced... often re-employed in other roles or picked up in other companies.

Concerning unemployment occurs when industries vacate....to China for example.or because their product is no longer demanded like coal. In these cases a minimum wage would simply destroy jobs faster.

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
25 Jan 2021, 23:04
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25 Jan 2021, 23:04#21
It is illegal to reduce agreed wages in many countries, however, it can be done by in another way - redundancy or a reduced role with a "new" contract. (A more direct way of what you said). 

This new contract could include no inflation of 2% per year salary increase, which is built into many customer contracts as standard. So in 5 years, it equates to a 10% reduction in salary. 
However, this is just one example.  The less competition the more power to the corporate against customers and employees. 

A minimum wage can still be had and still be able to compete internationally-  by putting tariffs on overseas operations to ensure US employees are not priced out of the market. 
Biden mentioned this in his election campaign- but not in much detail. An idea to retain more jobs in the US.
15 dollars in peanuts in a first world country, and it paying anyone less than this is not acceptable.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jan 2021, 23:09
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25 Jan 2021, 23:09#22

Where there is mobility of labor and capital all a minimum wage does is drive down employment......it’s limited usefulness is in very unequal employment scenarios more typical of a 100 years ago.

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
25 Jan 2021, 23:21
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25 Jan 2021, 23:21#23
What's your take about having more competition?

Big Tech monopolies have been a big-money driver for the US, but I saw that both Democrats and Republicans are interested in breaking them up to create competition and stop over-centralisation of power. 
There were suggestions of splitting YouTube and Google into different companies. And Instagram and Facebook being separated. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jan 2021, 00:26
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26 Jan 2021, 00:26#24

As a shareholder I’d be happy......as a consumer, I can’t see how it helps.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jan 2021, 09:53
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26 Jan 2021, 09:53#25

SB

I am afraid that minimum wages have serious negative impacts and as a personnel manager I can speak clearly about the impact.    In all western economies the big companies calls the shots - while in fact not the biggest employers.    The small enterprises making marginal profits provide  for the major share of employment opportunities.   The big companies can up their prices and  tariffs - while the marginal smaller employers cannot do that.

In  essence minimum wages have serious negative  impacts on smaller enterprises - 

*    they either go out of business since they cannot afford wages;

*    they reduce the number of employees and try to maintain their existence one way; or 

*    they did what the Democratic politicians did - they reduce the working hours of  workers and thus reduce their incomes.

Unfortunately minimum wages is not the answer in an economy like the USA  and was the cause of unemployment under previous administrations.   Mozart came up with another issue and that is the export of jobs to China and Mexico where slave labor wages applies.

So - it is  a good thing to use as propaganda in elections - but the result is indeed detrimental for the workers,    Creating and maintaining unemployment is not the answer,  They make the  workers poorer and payment of reasonable unemployment compensation affect the taxpayers badly without adding to the economy while foodstamps is not the answer either.

In reality the wage issue has a nationwide negative effect - not only for the workers but for everybody.    The Obama administration doubled the national debt - but had zero to show in capital investment in infrastructure and  expenditure on improvements in the military,    If the Biden administration continue and implement their promises as to unemployment benefits and food stamps - the consequences would be ghastly for the US economy and the taxpayers will all be the sufferers.

Their ideas for opening the borders for illegal migrants is going to have a nasty effect - especially for  the Black workers   

I cannot see how the liberal and socialist approach of the Democrats can be to the advantage of the workers and small business  in the USA.                                

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