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Serious question to the Trumppetears

Started by Denny19 REPLIES1,046 VIEWS· 11 Mar 2025, 02:17
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Mar 2025, 02:17
#1
11 Mar 2025, 02:17#1

Do you agree with your hero's economic policies in light of the fact that it has substantially crashed markets across the globe.



Bible reading responses will not be read and is strictly verboten.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Mar 2025, 02:21
#2
11 Mar 2025, 02:21#2

Bible reading responses WTH?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Mar 2025, 02:22
#3
11 Mar 2025, 02:22#3

The markets will recover soon.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Mar 2025, 02:54
#4
11 Mar 2025, 02:54#4

The markets will recover soon.

Typical.

He'll drag you to doomsday and you lot will still sing along with him.

Mind boggling!

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
11 Mar 2025, 03:55
#5
11 Mar 2025, 03:55#5

That anything like the soon you stated for Trump to stop the war there Dradd?


Any chance you can be more specific for a change or can I suggest you start using "later" as I feel that gives you more leeway with your ambiguous statements.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Mar 2025, 06:08
#6
11 Mar 2025, 06:08#6

The mrkets are not only influenced by Tumps plicies only - there are other factors as well, For instance te German economy has been in decline and with the GDP being going down in what is suposed to be an economic powerhouse - being just an example. The other issue is the instability in the world that is causing insecurity in countries worldwide - with two wars going in Uraine and Gaza, Trump cracked he whip and Hamas started and contniued to release hostages and even the bodies of people they murdered.


In the eemantime Trump is trying to get the Saudi's and the UAR leaders to invest and turned arond he econmy of Gaza on a basis similar to ciires like Qatar abd Dubei - but that would not ahppen as long as terrorist organization like Hamas being in charge,


Trump regarded the ened to end the Ukraine War and Gaza situation are minor problems compared to the ever-threatening Cinaand their massive army - i wars in Europe and the Middle East continues the USA defense obligations will remain divided and the USA defeses against an attack by China on counries will limit the defensive capacity of th USA insofar as defense of pacific birdered countries are concerned, That whike the US Army was turned into shambles by the Biden Administration. A ccording to audit reports the DOD cannot accont on what the D epartment spent circa $250 billion of its $850 budget was spent and the Roman army insistence tht money is the sinews of warfare remais applicable. It is not only the funding issue and what happened to money is not the only problem - the fact is hat quotas laid down by Biden as to recruitment of soldiers and te targets could not be met and the shortage in recruits impacted on maintenance of the army strength, Another example is for instance the isue of the navy strengthening - te major deterrent of fear to deal with the USA during wars. In 2019 the USA had 60 nucckear powered and armed submararines and it was agreed to make available money for servicing of existing submaries - but more impraaly for the building 2 new submarins per year - but n the four years Biden tuling nly 2 instead of 8 new submarines were constructed and of the 60 submarines 20 was withdrawn from service for sevicing purposes and has not been attended to at all / Yet all the money made available for building and servicing of subnarines was spent by the navy on what is really not spent on the purpose the money was povided for,


In he end the Ukraine War is a diversion from the real needs of trying to maintain peace in the rest of te world and the War in Ukraine needs to stop asap. That is why the antics of Zelenskyy in the end was not supported by the NATO countries and he is now pleading with Trump to help Ukraine to get a peace deal meeting all Zelenskyy's conditions so as to save shis petty dictaoship in Ukraine. In the end according to Starmer statements Trump must continued with peace negotiations and Zelenskyy has been taught a basic lesson in diplomacy - which was absolutely necessary in view o thes tunts Zelenskyy tried in Washington. Videna nd some US politicians loted money through ikckbacks abd they are now in serious trouble -hence the present scenaroio woldwide, Corruption and laministration was

weakening the USA badly and the USA must not save the econmy of the USA alone - but also in the rest of the world,


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DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Mar 2025, 06:29
#7
11 Mar 2025, 06:29#7

I thought the war would be over already...I was wrong, I misjudged the commitment of some to keep it going...if there isn't a significant change within 6 monts, I'll concede that I was totally wrong...as for the markets, they will be fully recovered within a month...


BTW, at least there is a visible effert to do something about stopping the war...a welcome change some would say...

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Mar 2025, 07:45
#8
11 Mar 2025, 07:45#8

Yeah, the biggest effort to stop this war since it started, but who cares right, as long as Trump is wrong..

Trump is an idiot for putting specific time frames on resolving issues like this, but I find it more concerning that it seems like some people would rather it get prolonged just to show Trump in a bad light, and not actually end the war.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
11 Mar 2025, 08:13
#9
11 Mar 2025, 08:13#9

Too many people run purely on emotion.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Mar 2025, 08:29
#10
11 Mar 2025, 08:29#10

PSSSSST

The question is about all stock markets crashing across the globe, all I'm asking is whether you lot agree with your cult hero's economic policies.....this debate is not about the war.

Your love hero caused the crash is what I'm saying.


Deflect.....deflect....deflect...you wanted a debate with no insults, well, you've got one.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
11 Mar 2025, 09:48
#11
11 Mar 2025, 09:48#11

Do you understand enough about global economics to debate it, Denny? I don't.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Mar 2025, 10:32
#12
11 Mar 2025, 10:32#12

Dearie, dearie me.....I sense a copout.

I'll pretend you don't know and I'll keep it very simple with a few facts.


Six weeks ago decrepit Biden drove into the sunset but left the economy in a very healthy state, matter of fact the last time it happened was in 1960.

Trump claimed the country was a mess and that there was going to be change.....he promised to fix it for the better.

Well, he hasn't......numbers don't lie, and the numbers tell that stock markets across the globe have crashed as a result of Trump's economic policies.


Now go ahead and tell me that Trump's tariffs is not the cause of stock markets crashing.


There is also the possibility of a recession.


Tell me in Trump fashion that there are other obscure reason(s) or that it's the Biden or the Democrats who have caused a wrecking ball to run over a healthy stock market and a healthy economic inheritance.


Funny hey that it's happened since Trump's arrival and after implementing his tariffs.









DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Mar 2025, 10:32
#13
11 Mar 2025, 10:32#13

Neither do I, and I won't pretend to either......but if Denny want's to tell us exactly why Trump is responsible for all of this..... the floor is yours.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Mar 2025, 10:36
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11 Mar 2025, 10:36#14

Trump has been in office for all of two months ...... and he has done a shit load more in those two months that what Biden and Harris did in one year.

Maybe.... just maybe .....give it some time ..... sheesh man, just two months.

If the markets don't correct, stablise and get better, by all means, go bos..... but I still 100% agree with Trump on his fair trade demand with the US and I don't even live there... and yes, I am also well aware that these very same tariffs could potentially hit me hard as well... but I still agree with Trump all the way.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
11 Mar 2025, 10:47
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11 Mar 2025, 10:47#15

Yes, I see the markets crashing, I see the pushback against the tariffs. As DA says, let's see what happens. In my opinion Trump is headstrong and going to dumb extremes in some areas, but without an understanding of why and what the goal is, I can't comment. There may be a short term loss and a long term gain in play. Moz is probably best suited to comment on this as he is part of that world, being both in the US and in the financial business. The Wall Street Journal that seems to be a fairly balanced outlet has been highly critical of Trump's tariffs, so that's telling. But at the moment I'm not even sure what exactly is going on as this is way above my pay grade.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Mar 2025, 12:46
#16
11 Mar 2025, 12:46#16

'......and yes, I am also well aware that these very same tariffs could potentially hit me hard as well... but I still agree with Trump all the way.'

If you're investor or if you have a pension account you would already have been hit very hard..........it's not as if it's going to happen..... it already has. Catch a wake up please.


As for being above your pay grade...ag nee man.....if it walks like a duck, quack likes a duck then it is a duck.

The markets have spoken, they're in disarray, beset with chaos it's given smoke signals of a loss in confidence. Something has to happen for the markets to bounce back.

The way the markets react speaks volumes and that's all you need to know.


It's either sick or it's healthy and right now it's copped a Trump engineered virus.


Edit: Just in.....

US economy cooling: Investors rethink dollar exceptionalism

Uncertainty over trade tariffs, combined with bleak forecasts for US economic growth in the first quarter, has led investors to reassess the "US exceptionalism" trade, which previously favoured the dollar and US stock markets as the primary investment plays.

Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell noted increasing economic uncertainty last week, as jobs data pointed to a cooling labour market. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Fed’s GDPNow model suggests first-quarter growth could contract by as much as 2.4%.



DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Mar 2025, 14:12
#17
11 Mar 2025, 14:12#17

"If you're investor or if you have a pension account you would already have been hit very hard..........it's not as if it's going to happen..... it already has. Catch a wake up please."

I think you should catch the wake up here, because you are 100% completely wrong in this specific regard....I have nothing at all to complain about with my portfolio, which I last checked this morning just before 8am.

As for the US economy cooling down, your sources could be right... but I have zero idea, but maybe Moz can expand more on this, or someone else with more experience.

"As for being above your pay grade...ag nee man.....if it walks like a duck, quack likes a duck then it is a duck"

Then keep pretending that you know what you are talking about ..... by quoting other people.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Mar 2025, 16:15
#18
11 Mar 2025, 16:15#18

The dolla wa self-destructing for fou years with a stagnanat and even declining GDP/ and uimagined level of coruption in Government. No Government can turn an established trend around in a shot term - it ill take longer to establish wprld stability and row the GDP in the uSA - coupled to reduction in F ederal D ebts,


Under Biden unhinged expenditure pushed up prices because of high transportation costs - for example Biden approved the sale of il fom the US Strategic Oil Reserve to chinma at way below what the worldwide oil prices at the time was, Wonmderful gift since he Biden's demanded a s h akedown of $10 million or that favor.


Spo let us look at the real economic comparison. In Germany there is a law - part of the German C Constitution is that the German Government - budget increases are limited to not more than 3% of the GDP. In the USA the GD P hovers around $27 trillion - which rose ebcause the non-poductive Public Services salaries and benefots are take into account.


The US Federal Debt stands att $36,5 trillion dollars in 2023 and if present expenditure levels were continued the debt would be $52 trillion by 2028. In 2025 repyement of loans and interet amounted to $956 trillion by 2030 it will be circa $1,8 trilion. Meaning that the factis the services proided and looted by corrupt elements is going to destroy the USA economy - with a disasterus effect worldwide,


The way the county was goinfg was in a major way damaging the US Econmy with a major impact on econmics around te world, So until the economy of the U SA can get rid of wasteful and fruitless expenditure and resultant corruption - the situation would not chanmge. It is for that reason that one can feel more confide about the future of the USA and of the whole democratic world in general, ,

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2025, 16:20
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11 Mar 2025, 16:20#19

Love them…..I bought a SPX 5600 put last week, as the markets crashed the put soared. This uncertainty will go on for a while, but good stocks will recover. I intend to buy some calls at the first sign of resolution, it’s not assured but there could be a very nice bounce later in the year.



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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Mar 2025, 02:41
#20
12 Mar 2025, 02:41#20

I have nothing at all to complain about with my portfolio, which I last checked this morning just before 8am.

It's just a given that when stock markets crash investors suffer, when you say that your pension fund is unaffected I guess your fund is not market dependent it's probably invested in bonds or government bonds which provide a fixed return. In Australia our pension(we call it superannuation funds) are all market linked. Bonds are available but are privately bought and sold and are not funds.


There may be a short term loss and a long term gain in play.


Who knows, I hope sooner than later, many are hurting so who needs the markets crumbling, I'll be the first to sing Trump's praises if he delivers booming markets.

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