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24 arsonists arrested in Australia..... more out there.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2020, 06:20
#1
07 Jan 2020, 06:20#1

How sad that these mostly young criminals have created so  much human anguish and an unimaginably  cruel apocalypse for the animals. The motives of these young people are unclear, but need to be understood.

Twenty four have been charged for arson....another 159 charged for lesser crimes. But this wont be all......this is an extremely hard criminal to find in so vast an ar ea.




CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2020, 07:11
#2
07 Jan 2020, 07:11#2

So it is NOT global warming that caused the fires - but human madness.   .   

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2020, 07:16
#3
07 Jan 2020, 07:16#3

Comrade Mike ... Spontaneous combustion isn't the norm yet, so chill.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2020, 18:20
#4
07 Jan 2020, 18:20#4

The more radical speculation on the net, is that some of these fires were set by kids who wanted to create a demonstration of global warming. Just speculation, but Oz seems to have a problem with pyromaniacs that parallels the US's problem with guns.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Jan 2020, 08:02
#5
08 Jan 2020, 08:02#5

It's a horrid way to die. Can't imagine anything worse. To think of all the animal life lost in this way.  So sad.

These arsonists should be charged with murder ... among other things ... and dealt with accordingly.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jan 2020, 15:21
#6
08 Jan 2020, 15:21#6

Wouldn't put it past these wacked out man made climate change nutjobs and of course muslims as well.

Atheists must also be prime suspects as you know how they are.

Muslim Teen Accused of Starting Aussie Grass Fire Laughs As He Leaves Court on Tuesday

Muslim teen Fadi Zraika was seen laughing as he left court on Tuesday in Sydney.

Fadi and his brother Abraham are accused a starting a fire at a Guildford park in December.

The brothers set off fireworks that started the park on fire.
They were arrested at a fast food restaurant.

Fadi Zraika was seen laughing as he left court on Tuesday.

The Daily Telegraph reported:

Western Sydney teen Fadi Zraika — one of the two teens accused of lighting a grass fire at a Guildford park while bushfires ravaged NSW — laughed outside court today after appearing on multiple charges.

Police allege Fadi and Abraham Zreika, both 18, set off fireworks that sparked a grass fire at Bright Park, Guildford, on December 22.

Police were called to the park about 2.40pm after reports of several loud explosions and saw fireworks exploding and several small grassfires that spread rapidly in sudden winds.

The Rural Fire Service doused the fires.

Zraika, of Villawood, and Zreika, of Merrylands, were arrested at a fast food restaurant in Merrylands.









MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jan 2020, 18:06
#7
08 Jan 2020, 18:06#7

I see there are now suggestions that a National Register be established for these arsonists. One of the first practical suggestions for solving Australia's tragic fire situation.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jan 2020, 18:17
#8
08 Jan 2020, 18:17#8

Yes a thorough analysis of why these people set Oz alight needs to be done with severe consequence. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
08 Jan 2020, 18:19
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08 Jan 2020, 18:19#9
It is a maximum of 25 years for intentionally setting fires arson in Australia, however, I would imagine it could be higher if culpable manslaughter can be proven.
There are also large fines for accidental/negligence like leaving a cigarette but on the floor. 


AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
08 Jan 2020, 19:23
#10
08 Jan 2020, 19:23#10

Unbelievable to think that with the issues facing Australia (with regards fires and dryness) you would have thought that Fireworks would have been banned.

But instead, the PM was on a trip to Jamacia and the other dope heads at home watching cricket and downing a few Fosters.

Yep sadly your vote does count but mostly it comes back to bite your arse.

Just look at RSA, UK Liberals, US Demorats, Belgium, Germany.....

Trust that the Aussies get on top of this disaster soon.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jan 2020, 01:56
#11
10 Jan 2020, 01:56#11

This chart appears to show rainfall has been running well above average since 1990. Which would have resulted in strong growth, providing huge fire potential in subsequent dry years.


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Jan 2020, 03:38
#12
10 Jan 2020, 03:38#12

Thanx Cloudy......ain't nothng like fake news to get in the way of the truth. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Jan 2020, 05:08
#13
10 Jan 2020, 05:08#13

Exactly right.....nada,nichts. rien. The reliable and trustworthy national broadcaster didn't broadcast that info.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jan 2020, 05:35
#14
10 Jan 2020, 05:35#14

This from CNN....follow the link, the information comes from the NSW Government site. The Guardian is your fake news purveyor....they have an extreme position on global warming.


.............

CNN)The Australia wildfires are a countrywide catastrophe, mainly caused by drought and extreme heat, but dozens of people are directly to blame for some of the problem, officials say.

Police have charged at least 24 people for intentionally starting bushfires in the state of New South Wales, according to a statement the New South Wales Police released Monday. NSW Police have taken legal action against 183 people, 40 of whom are juveniles, for fire-related offenses since November 8, the statement said. The legal actions range from cautions to criminal charges.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jan 2020, 05:56
#15
10 Jan 2020, 05:56#15

Apologies?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jan 2020, 06:44
#17
10 Jan 2020, 06:44#17

There has been regular annual fire problems in especially New South Wales for years now, but this year it was much worse and consequently got wider media coverage,    Fact is the vegetation is probably part of the problem,   A combination of black wattle trees and what we call "rooipitjie" bush - both indigenous to Australia - could be a dangerous combination especially if the conditions  are hot and windy,           

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Jan 2020, 07:55
#18
10 Jan 2020, 07:55#18

Mike, fires follow drought and we've had 3 years or thereabouts of it, it's got nothing to do with Black Wattle trees which are mostly found in south-eastern NSW. A lot of it has to do with moisture being sucked out of the brush and ground cover leaving it bone dry ready to ignite. With extreme temperatures and 90k/ph winds fanning the fires it quickly spreads and develops into a firestorm.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jan 2020, 16:46
#19
10 Jan 2020, 16:46#19

Obfuscation....there are 24 arsonists that have been charged. And if you look at the rainfall chart I have posted, these droughts are cyclical.


The period between 1920 and 1930 was far worse. Look at the chart!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jan 2020, 22:10
#20
10 Jan 2020, 22:10#20

The Guardian is a far left radical globalist rag. Trust Cloudy Clown to get her news there.  No wonder she makes such an ass of herself time and again. 

The Guardian are full on man made climate change nutjobs. St Greta is their idol. 

Man made climate change in now thoroughly debunked and like darwinism we are just waiting for the slow to catch up with the truth. 

Old fossils like rooitwit may never catch up.

After one of the Islamic attacks on the British I made a very sane comment about Islam and was banned from the Guradian. 

Like all far left nutters the Guardian is fascist in nature. Many folk I have seen testify on other boards how they have been banned by the Guardian. 

The left can't win the arguments so the only thing they can do is silence folk who disagree and are taking them apart.

You will find the Guardian in support of open borders, multiculturalism, LGBT and Remain. Always promoting and protecting Islam. 

All the usual Globalist agenda points will be promoted by this rag which is of course the enemy of the British people. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jan 2020, 22:13
#21
10 Jan 2020, 22:13#21

One article say bad forest management has come home to bite. 

There are doubtless many factors but the globalist loons scream climate change. 

Thanks Dr Moz for setting our resident loons straight. 


BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jan 2020, 01:20
#22
11 Jan 2020, 01:20#22

...rule of thumb being whatever the Trump dummies purport to be the truth then the opposite is more likely to be the case....

Bean Brain i'm not saying that yr completely stupid... i'm just saying you've got bad luck when it comes to thinking..

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 02:31
#23
11 Jan 2020, 02:31#23

Bad forestry....excessive rain in the last 30 years building up the brush....a hot summer....arson.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Jan 2020, 03:22
#24
11 Jan 2020, 03:22#24

Cloudy, come now......it's only fake news when obese Donnie says so or when his chief spokesman Jihadi Beeno say so

That bit about 183 people being charged is nonsense, 24 were charged.

I'm not sure why global warming got into this....I don't see you or I giving it a mention...oh well(sigh)

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 04:06
#25
11 Jan 2020, 04:06#25

Twenty four people were charged, many more were careless. And those were only the ones that were caught, many more probably escaped arrest. Arson appears to have played a significant role in this. And of course the media rushes to deny all this because it detracts from the global warming story. Hell they say  as much.


Bottom line, the USA may have an issue with guns, but Oz has a problem with matches.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 07:45
#26
11 Jan 2020, 07:45#26
Cloudy the same papers bemoaning the arson argument, had no problem laying it at the feet of global warming. Something Australia can do almost nothing about...so in effect giving everybody a pass.
A practical approach that targets arson, which is probably far more prevalent that your ABC link concedes.....targeting forestry and targeting response capability, has a chance of helping the people and the suffering animals. Bemoaning global warming achieves nothing.
I despise the political opportunism around this issue.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Jan 2020, 08:13
#27
11 Jan 2020, 08:13#27

Moz, you're coming across as being far more knowledgeable on our bushfire problems than any of our resident experts......would you rather have everyone in Australia believe you instead of them?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 16:58
#28
11 Jan 2020, 16:58#28
They were saying all the same things about the California drought and fires  a few years back. The arguments are not unique to Australia.....California was supposed to be in a permanent drought, but rainfall is now above normal.
'Experts' seem to have very little common sense and lots of biases !


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jan 2020, 02:35
#29
12 Jan 2020, 02:35#29

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a "yes" to my question.

Well then, when an expert on the ground says the following....

"The disaster has sparked significant media speculation that many of the blazes were deliberately lit.

While it is true firebugs remain a legitimate and serious threat, we crunched the numbers provided by police and fire authorities around the country. 

The results might surprise you.

NSW Rural Fire Service (RFS) Inspector Ben Shepherd said earlier this week lightning was predominantly responsible for the bushfire crisis.

"I can confidently say the majority of the larger fires that we have been dealing with have been a result of fires coming out of remote areas as a result of dry lightning storms," he said.

In Victoria, where about 1.2 million hectares has burned, only 385 hectares — or 0.03 per cent — have been attributed to suspicious circumstances.

NSW has been the epicentre of Australia's bushfire crisis, but the facts show arson has little to do with it.

This week, a NSW Police media release revealed 24 people had been charged over deliberately-lit bushfires this season.

However, the majority of suspected arson relates to small grass fires and rubbish bins set alight, which have inflicted negligible damage and burnt a tiny area compared with fires sparked by lightning.

The Gospers Mountain "mega-blaze" and the Green Wattle Creek fire, which are both near Sydney, were ignited by lightning.

All the major blazes in the Snowy Mountains and South Coast which have taken hold since New Year's Eve were also started by lightning."

^^^^^^^^^**************************************************************

....you would ignore him because you know better and best.

I find it hard to accept that someone who lives in faraway Chicago knows better than someone like our own on the ground home based NSW Fire Inspector, Ben Shephard....but hey, it's ok if you say so, everyone has a right to an opinion.

Perhaps you could find a way of telling him that he and his team of 3,000+ Firies wasted 8 months of preparation by backburning and building containment lines in preparation of the pending disaster, and perhaps you could also give him a few lectures on how to culture a 90km /hr windswept firestorm from breaching those containment lines.

But before you go there do you mind changing your screaming header now that you recognize...and I quote..

"Twenty four people were charged, many more were careless."

Tx.




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jan 2020, 06:12
#30
12 Jan 2020, 06:12#30

Thanks for copying and pasting the material from the  link Cloudy had already provided. I guess you didn't read it...I read most of this stuff. And I don't fin'd 'I can confidently tell you' very persuasive. Nor do I think circumstances in Oz are that different from California or South Africa or Greece for that matter. 

All started by lightning strikes....hardly credible. Time for the arsonist register , if not the great match box collection!

But I have changed the heading as you requested.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jan 2020, 06:33
#31
12 Jan 2020, 06:33#31

Tx.

"All started by lightning strikes....hardly credible."

Well no, it wasn't ALL started by lightning strikes, the fact that 24 people are being charged bears testimony to the fact that a proportion of the fires were started by Firebugs all be it that it's not the fake news figure of 183.

If  "lightning strikes.....hardly credible"? Do you have a credible reason?


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jan 2020, 07:11
#32
12 Jan 2020, 07:11#32
Well lightning is hardly a new factor, nor is it likely to have increased dramatically over so wide an area. So that proximate cause has probably always existed.
And if you would take a moment to look at the rainfall chart similar conditions have existed many times in the past.
So why is this year so dramatically worse? The only factor  which seems capricious enough is human intervention. Which is being desperately underplayed by those who want to promote the Global Warming narrative....and that includes the forestry people who have let the side down.
They tried hard is hardly comforting, when they so palpably failed. There were many warnings about inadequate preparation, tragically shown to be prescient.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jan 2020, 07:16
#33
12 Jan 2020, 07:16#33

So let me get this right.....when you say "human intervention".....you mean Firebugs?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jan 2020, 07:24
#34
12 Jan 2020, 07:24#34
There are two sources of ignition being offered....lightning and humans in a variety of forms. I'm suggesting lightning strikes are  statistically more stable and unlikely to cause such a sudden surge in wild fires.
Perhaps there is some other cause you are aware of....Martians perhaps?
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jan 2020, 07:35
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12 Jan 2020, 07:35#35

Hey listen, I've asked you a question....answer it, if you can't then say so. 

You've convinced yourself that Australia has a Firebug problem, our experts have said yes there are Firebugs but they only form a tiny percentage of the problem and there is evidence to support ignition by dry lightning a major cause of the fires.

You reject that evidence. I believe our people on the ground.

I ask again, what evidence do you have to support your "credible evidence" as opposed to our experts?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Jan 2020, 08:00
#36
12 Jan 2020, 08:00#36

Every country has young pyromaniacs who are fascinated with fire but not all of those countries have devastating bushfires.

I would guess that a tiny percentage of bushfires were caused by teenage arsonists while the vast majority (and all the major ones) were caused by lightning . . . as per the professional experts who know what they're talking about . . . as opposed to the ignorant but highly opinionated amateur climate deniers who will make up any kind of garbage to support their already debunked claims about global warming as they demand their right to pollute the air, the land and the oceans.

Whatever (or whoever) started these fires isn't really the point though. The real point is that global warming caused the conditions that allowed these bushfires to get out of control and make them so hard to combat. Even a stupid but self-important old relic living somewhere as far away as Chicago should be able to admit that . . . surely?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jan 2020, 08:17
#37
12 Jan 2020, 08:17#37

I'm no expert on global warming and I understand these things are cyclical but I bet if you talk to our farmers on the other side of what is called "The Great Divide" you'll receive a ready ear. They've been in drought for many years, many have missed a few cycles.

The way I see it is prolonged drought, extremely high temperatures, dry lightning strikes, strong warm winds.......firestorms.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Jan 2020, 08:51
#38
12 Jan 2020, 08:51#38

Get a grip Denny. You're pouting like a 3 year old.

I cannot see an electric storm hitting such a wide area ... nor do I accept lightning as the main cause of this nightmare.

Australia is going through a very bad drought at the moment ... in other words ... as is usually the case in drought torn areas ... the skies above are blue with not a cloud in sight.

Lightning needs specific requirements to show itself.

I'm afraid it look as if the wacky Ozzies are burning their country down themselves.

Must say ... I'm rather pleased I don't live there now.



 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jan 2020, 09:43
#39
12 Jan 2020, 09:43#39

Oh now, look what the cat dragged in....

"Must say ... I'm rather pleased I don't live there now."

Psssstt So is Australia......you must be deluded if you think anyone gives a care about you......why are you telling me this? Did I ask you?



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jan 2020, 11:27
#40
12 Jan 2020, 11:27#40

Anyone see the Ozzie Man Reviews video about this?

Looks like their PM is getting a ton of flack.

Rightly so. Being on holiday while your country is in crisis ain't a good move.

People were refusing to shake his hand.

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