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A compelling case for vaccinations

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES1,072 VIEWS· 17 Dec 2021, 17:31
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Dec 2021, 17:31
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17 Dec 2021, 17:31#1

where each candidate won at least 45 percent of the votes:

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Dec 2021, 17:38
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17 Dec 2021, 17:38#2

We see here the monthly Covid deaths in states that have lower vaccination rates after June when the vaccines were generally fully deployed in the USA. From a rough parity in death rates, Delta causes a surge of deaths in States with lower vaccination rates (called Trump states by the politically active authors).

Now a small part of this may be due to Trump States being in hotter areas, so more indoors in summer time. But the stark numbers, echoed in the UKs amazingly low death rate in the midst of exploding cases….clearly affirm , a vaccination can save your life.


The irony here is the early availability of vaccines had more to do with Donald Trump’s fervent advocacy than anything else. He should take credit and urge his supporters to get vaccinated.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
17 Dec 2021, 20:01
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17 Dec 2021, 20:01#3
That chart is also a good indication of IQ by state. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Dec 2021, 20:22
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17 Dec 2021, 20:22#4

No it’s not. It’s an indication of a social beliefs ….IQ is completely different.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Dec 2021, 15:03
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18 Dec 2021, 15:03#5

Mozart

ithout getting into a debate on the issue - three weeks ago the number of active cases in the local Municipality was  3  dropping to two the next week - but this week there are  142 active cases - the highest ever -  but it could be the result of influx in holiday visitors - inclusive of visitors from Pretoria and Johannesburg and the very high infection rates in those cities due to the latest variant.    .       

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Dec 2021, 20:13
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18 Dec 2021, 20:13#6

sharktwat what do you know about IQ?

Silly Bugger.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
18 Dec 2021, 20:28
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18 Dec 2021, 20:28#7

Fartur, are you still lingering around? 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Dec 2021, 21:38
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18 Dec 2021, 21:38#8

Snarkhole, how's being highly vaccinated working out for you lot in the UK?...lockdowns a thing of the past?

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
18 Dec 2021, 21:56
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18 Dec 2021, 21:56#9

Not as great as hoped, thanks to the South Africa virus. 

However, t-cells of the vaccinated or past infected will still keep deaths down even if the antibodies are not strong enough to prevent infection. 

I at least have not yet caught Covid, but you have had it twice. 
Your antibodies from past infections wear off just like the vaccine, so you are sounding like a turkey cheering for Christmas. 

I just had my Booster and waiting 10 days for it to take effect. 
The booster covers one year of free updates (Including Mark of the Beast 2022 upon release). 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Dec 2021, 22:22
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18 Dec 2021, 22:22#10
Three weeks into the new variant the South African case rate is way up….but the death rate remain at a fraction of what it was 3 months ago. That’s good news.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
18 Dec 2021, 22:38
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18 Dec 2021, 22:38#11
Putin could be right, in his claim that it is a natural vaccine. Perhaps all pandemics follow the same path with new variants becoming more contagious and then weaker over time. 

It's hard to compare with pre-vaccine variants given the number of past infections, and people vaccinated. If data for unvaccinated is separated by rates of. infections, hospital, death- it would be a clearer picture of Omicron with past variants. 

Omicron could be the endemic, or it could be the curtain-raiser to something more powerful but as infectious. 
The only way for herd immunity is better vaccines, or variants that get weaker and more contagious.
Or Covid could get so weak it turns into a cold and remain with us fore ver. (Most Colds are actually Coronaviruses). 
SH
sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
18 Dec 2021, 23:04
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18 Dec 2021, 23:04#12


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2021, 09:34
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19 Dec 2021, 09:34#13

"Or Covid could get so weak it turns into a cold and remain with us forever. (Most Colds are actually Coronaviruses). "

No sh!t Sherlock...did you figure that out all by yourself?...

PS...I never had covid twice...I was fine when some other household members got it...my natural immunity protected me...I wasn't very sick when I actually had it either...for me it was almost like the common cold, except for the pesky bit of losing my sense of taste for a while.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
19 Dec 2021, 11:42
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19 Dec 2021, 11:42#14

No Draad, I read it. I did not work it out myself. I rely on scientists and experts in their respective fields to do the research and provide proof.

Unfortunately, I do not have a DIY virology kit. It is on my shopping list, along with a medical doctrine from eBay. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2021, 11:51
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19 Dec 2021, 11:51#15

"No Draad, I read it. I did not work it out myself. I rely on scientists and experts in their respective fields to do the research and provide proof."

So your opinion is faith based...

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2021, 11:51
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19 Dec 2021, 11:51#16

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2021, 11:52
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19 Dec 2021, 11:52#17

 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Dec 2021, 12:32
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19 Dec 2021, 12:32#18
What happened to herd immunity? Thought 80% was the magic number? Oh, but there are new strains. Okay, so herd immunity was never on the table because new strains were always inevitable. Oh we didn’t know new strains were certain…but we do have biology degrees from the best institutions…promise. The fact is, new strains where inevitable and new strains would infect the vaccinated. What happened to high vaccine rates preventing spread and thus also mutation? But the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it. Particularly in the case of mutated strains. So, preventing further mutation and spread was never on the cards either? Let me see if I got this. The experts touted herd immunity as a solution even though it was never possible via their proposed strategy. The same experts also claimed that mutation could be prevented by mass vaccination while knowing that the vaccinated could still contract and thus aid in mutating it further? Ah, but breakthrough cases are less than cases prior to vaccination. However, vaccines do very little to stop mutated strains. Round and fucking round we go. The zillion $ question… Which scenario is better in terms of preventing mutation; A) High amounts of very low risk people carry the virus and thus a large percentage of the population posses natural immunity concurrently , or B) The virus is slowed down with a vaccine but is still transmissible within an environment where less people concurrently have immunity. Seems to me like all these lockdowns and destruction of economies took the long road to a solution that was never forthcoming in the first place. And it does seem for all the world like protecting the vulnerable, while allowing everyone else to carry on as normal was the correct play, since day one. Let the virus flush through the low risk groups…by far the biggest sector of the population. Attain herd immunity via a large group of people with natural immunity and who are at low risk while circumventing the destruction of economies. …because now it appears as though everybody knew that these types of viruses, just like the flu would become more transmissible yet less deadly. …and if hey knew this from the start then…wait…what? As I posted right at the beginning of this, in about March of 2020, the early numbers made it clear that life should have simply gone on as normal for 95% of the population while we focused on protecting the very vulnerable 5%.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2021, 12:40
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19 Dec 2021, 12:40#19

But, but tze scienz!...people have lost the ability to think for themselves because the trust others to do the thinking for them...what could go wrong?

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