Another school shooting…both parties are right

A tragedy in Texas takes more lives of young children. If you really stop to think about what actually transpired it’s worse than any horror movie. These kids were basically unprotected from a mad kid with assault weapons.

But once again the reaction is predictably self serving.

The Republicans who have a gun constituency blame mental health. But where else in the world can an 18 year old buy these kinds of weapons. Why should any member of the public have these kinds of weapons. That’s why the army exists. When we were in the military our rifles were locked up, and only released by the officer of the watch.

It doesn’t stop there,  mental health is an issue. And Hollywood is a participant  planting in children’s minds the images of gun violence….the power it gives the shooter. You can’t stop by just controlling weapons more strictly…..gun glorification has to stop as well.

But there’s more. Many people cling to their guns because they are genuinely afraid of being attacked. The weakening of the police adds to that fear, as does the images of looting and vandalism. Guns should be unnecessary in an orderly society, but law and order has broken down in many cities.

So there  are many participants who have added to this tragic situation. Bullying of kids is another primal cause, often treated casually by schools who don’t want to take on parents. But how often haven’t these bullied kids morphed into the killers. A kid that is bullied in school often has nowhere to turn. But I’d say this for our schools back in the sixties, the kids most often stopped the bullying….that doesn’t happen in the States, or perhaps in the modern world.

Politicians like Beto O’Rourke raced to capitalize on the tragedy and their dishonesty stinks to high heaven after an incident like this. It’s time for a serious, non party affiliated commission to look at the whole issue and make some recommendations both parties agree to accept as binding. But of course that’s unlikely because most of these politicians are just creatures of their donors.

A society that doesn’t protect it’s children is failing in it’s most basic duty. I see no reason why this can’t be done while still allowing sporting activities with guns. But if it can’t guns have to go…..safety of children is more important than shooting deer.

Countries that have been able to get rid of guns have not looked back. It is a step forward. 

If 10% of people want weapons, another 20% get weapons to protect themselves from those with weapons. 

It just escalates - like nuclear bombs. Imagine everyone wanted to enforce their rights to have their own personal nuclear bomb. 

Sometimes I see some tough characters walking in the street with bulldogs, almost as if the dog is the new weapon they use to force people to walk out of their way. You don't want these people having guns. 

It's a difficult subject...where to draw the line? Somewhere between South Africa's gun laws and almost a total lack of such laws...in the USA kids can buy guns before they can buy beer...

Must be the dumbest thing on earth to allow civilians to own military style weapons. have a look at the history of mass shootings it's a mass shooter's choice of weapon. The obvious thing to do is to deny them that choice, but then as Biden says America is the only country in the world that has mass shootings as a problem. Well then they should stop treating their primitive constitution like the scriptures.....the scriptures can't be change but the constitution can be amended or changed.

Ag c'mon you know.....Beto O'Rourke is a Democrat. Republicans are honest dontcha know, just listen to Piles he virtue signals that ad nauseum.

It is not one or the other ButtPlug, it is both. 

Gang warfare has gone on for millennia, and the only way to stop it might be to make everything legal, thereby cutting off the market demand from drug dealers etc.

‘A rare moment of honesty’….let me help. Here is a rare moment of honesty:

‘ With just over six months until the midterm elections in November, incumbent Texas Governor Greg Abbott appears well-positioned to fend off his Democratic opponent, former Congressman Beto O'Rourke.

New polling released Wednesday by the University of Texas at Austin/Texas Politics Project showed that O'Rourke still has a long way to go if he hopes to defeat Abbott when they go head-to-head at the ballot box on November 8.

While nearly half (48 percent) of registered voters in Texas backed Abbott, just 37 percent supported O'Rourke. That's an 11 point lead for the GOP governor over his Democratic rival.’

……………….

Is the penny beginning to drop.

"That’s not to count the many lives that will be saved when drug users receive counselling in order to get their fix nor the positive effects of undercutting the main source of income for gangs."

"What? Ending the war against drugs will save lives? So stop fighting against drug abuse? Give the drug cartels a free hand?"

Whoooosh!!!...half-wit nogal...pfft!

Edit: We’ve had all the Trump haters in here talking about how dangerous he was. So les assume their worst case scenario came true and he turned into a Putin style dictator. Would they feel better if their community were armed or if, when the Guatapo came knocking, they had to fend them off with a bread knife?

There is good chance if Trump ever turned into a Putin style dictator a lot of the gun ownership favouring people would actually be supporting with him.

But lets say any American President be they democrat or republican turned into a Putin style dictator, how are armed civilian going to fend off the US version of the Gestapo? You realise such a President would control the United States military, the most powerful military machine on the planet. They going fight a cruise missile coming through their roof with an assault rifle or a hand gun or able to deal with APC's, tanks and helicopters blasting them to shit? Armed with guns or armed with a bread knife it would next to no difference, their not fending them off either way. At best guns could buy you some time, could possibly enable a few people to escape, could allow them to take down some of the attackers and maybe make themselves feel better about themselves, that they went down fighting, but in the grand scheme of things, it would accomplish nothing.

But in the here and now in reality, this myth that gun ownership will protect them if the US government ever turns on them is costing far more real lives than it will ever save if a very unlikely hypothetical scenario was to occur.

Guns are dangerous tools...there should be proper laws to regulate their use...BUT

No weapons mean fewer violent attacks. Less opportunity for gangs to form. 

It might not work in some countries with extreme crime, but Rome was not built overnight. 

The problem in the USA could be called unique.   During the past six months gun sales in major cities has skyrocketed,    This while the Cities are defunding the Police and the service cannot cope with crime.   In the meantime the judicial Services are also on chaos,   In most cities people do not get arrested for breaking in or shoplifting  if the value of stolen goods rare less than $900,  Murderers are back on the street after paying ridiculous bonds,   

Criminals run riot with murder rates higher than any other cities in the Americas - North and South.

That is a major situation leading to major increases in gun sales.   Because there is no real Police Protection that would help families under attack - the people themselves buy guns to protect themselves.   

I myself is against gun ownership - but I can understand why people in the USA are panicking  which in essence is regarded as a last line of defense against criminals since nobody else would  protect them .       

Guns are dangerous tools...there should be proper laws to regulate their use...BUT

Tell me Draad, in the photo on the left is the women terrified of the threat of physical violence by a man or is a man pointing a gun at her?

In the picture on the right has the gun given her the means to protect herself from physical violence or is she just confident she is quicker on the draw than someone armed with a gun.

I'm not belittling domestic violence here, but you really need to add up the benefits and the cons here here, do guns prevent more violence than they create. I don't think you can argue they do.

The gun control debate is a no brainer, the solution lies with their politicians and even though everyone agrees that America has a problem with mass shootings politicians in general won't  take up the challenge in fear of losing their seat. 

So until the next mass shooting and the next and the next.....and the next....nothings going to change. And that's despite the fact that Biden has said America is the only country that has the problem.

Mass shootings normally relates to people with psychological problems - which in terms of present legislation should not allow ownership and usage of firearms.   There are enough laws to prevent gun ownership by deviants - but the application of the laws are deficient.

The problem in the USA -  in cities like Baltimore and Chicago there are more murders in a week than  the number of people killed in mass shootings/killing .   The murder rates are so high  it makes mass shootings seems to be minimal.  

Biden is not helping either - he today signed an Executive Order to prevent Police from carrying arms - giving murderers the opportunity to kill unarmed police officers,         

Stav, I really don't know, but I do know that a total ban on guns will take away a lot of people's last line of defence...I downt own one, but I'm starting to think it's a mistake...maybe it's an ex frontier country thing...I don't know, but I'll feel better if I can fend for myself, I know I can't depend on the authorities ...

But I do get your side of the argument...

"Trump is not helping either - he today signed an Executive Order to prevent Police from carrying arms - giving murderers the opportunity to kill unarmed police officers,"

Really?

What a thoroughly naughty boy.  

I have to agree with Denny about military hardware made available to citizens.

Those weapons are not required to defend yourself but are actually meant to cause mass killings/destruction when fired.

As to the USA constitution regarding "The right to bear arms" article was drawn up hundreds of years ago when front loaded rifles existed and has to be updated to curtail this slaughter and address the type of gun that is allowed.

Innocent folks including children are gunned down by a 18 year old who has a drub problem yet is allowed to purchase a gun.....unbelievable.

RIP.

You can buy guns before you can buy beers...stupid!

Something came up above that is really a joke - there is no evidence at al that Trump was involved ever in trying to establish a dictatorship and the story about that argument is based on a myth spread by the Democrats and the media.

There are obvious signs that Biden is being used to form a dictatorial form of Government.   At present the USA is Governed by MANDATES issued by Biden 0- and not by laws passed by Congress,   Mandates are to be confirmed by Congress within 6 months of them be issued - but it is never done and changed within the 6 months periood causing the same situation to continue.   

There are also attacks on the US Constitution involving  -

*     attempted passing  of legislation to take away from States their constitutional obligation to control elections within their Sates and catering for Stalinist methods in running elections - eg registration of voters without any identification ad residential information, voting without Identification and ballot harvesting by political agents after the election day  - all part of the Biden Administration;

*      indoctrination of school children by the Democrats - based on methodology applied in the then USSR and still used in China - and opposition to take away the right of parents  in raising their children and making it the responsibility of  Government,- a harmful process on which dictatorships are based; and\   

*      the undermining of the country through the open Mexican Border in other words undermining of both the US Constitution and the US law on immigration.

*     the attack on law enforcement in cities and states run by the Democrats and he use of the Justice Department  to attack opposition to Government - eg involvement in calling protesting parents "domestic terrorists";

*       the using of racism to attack opponents whenever there is opposition to Government on measures; and

*       the establishment of a Disinformation Board to control freedom of speech - the implementation of the Board has been "suspended" for the time bein an there can be no doubt it would be enforced by Biden through yet another Mandate will be implemented if the Democrats remain in Power in the Congress after the November election; and 

If Trump did  any of the above the media would have screamed blue murder and the attacks on him  about having dictatorial ambitions would have been endless and justified  -  the media at present is either silent or supporting the above in an obvious effort to undermine of the US Constitution and democracy in the USA.    .   .