Azov Battalion on Ukraine Russian Frontline. Putin's Denazification Goal Aimed at White Supremacists.

The Azov Battalion is funded by Igor Kolomoisky. Kolomoisky, also funded Zelensky's presidential campaign. He is an oligarch and the second wealthiest man in Ukraine. The paradox is that he also is Jewish. Work that one out...looks like a red herring.

So he quells this argument, a Jewish man would never sell his people to the dreaded Neo Nazi's...no...but hang on, ever heard of betrayers, the New Testament has an ideal one, Judas Iscariot who sold his Master, the Messiah to the Pharisees and Roman government for 30 pieces of silver to be crucified.

The plot thickens...

The Azov regiment :

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Judas got a good deal for 30 pieces of silver. He actually donated it to Church. 

When idiot have no answers they revert to imbecility.  

Soros is also Jewish, but he hates the religious connection to Judaism...actually lot's of Jewish people are Atheists...probably the majority. 

Another day of Tit telling us how much he hates Jews, how he supports Putin's invasion of Ukraine all the while preaching what a wonderful christian he is . . . while ou Maaik cheers him on.

These are truly repugnant people.

Another case where our Rooinek is clearly an individual that would join the AZOV Regiment  - as he supports the socialist Nazi s and Communists   

The Ukraine Government before the invasion started to destroy Democracy by arresting opposition members of parliament  because they hate democracy and has now gone the whole hog and turned the country into a one-party dictatorship.    That is really what SB and Rooinek support.   

SB.

Nice one idiot.    First of all the elected Government in Ukraine was overthrown by an uprising in 2014 that took place in February 2014  and he elected President fled to Russia fering for his life because of the neo-Nazi Azov Regiment  about  to kill him.   Who was behind and funded the uprising?  The USA and EU countries.

The real  number of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine - where did you get the figure of 15 000 from?    Who provided that figure?

Is the present Ukraine Government democratically elected?    There were no election held in East Ukraine and Crimea - which since 2015 was not governed  by the Ukraine Government anyway and which Ukraine claimed is part of Ukraine.  So do the present Ukraine Government even  remotely representing the whole Ukraine  area?   In any event the Ukraine regime at present is not a democracy anyway.   Before the invasion they have arrested a number of Russian speaking opposition members of Parliament and now has gone the whole hog - they banned all opposition parties and is now a fully-fledged dictatorship.  

Put in is not a Nazi or Communist  - the only Nazi-associated people in this case is in Ukraine and part of the Ukraine government and army.   An the real Nazi or Communist dictatorship admirers on site are you and Rooinek.       .        . .   .              

"Can anyone provide evidence, and not an RT clip or article, for the amount of Russian-Ukrainians killed by the Ukrainian government?"

No and if you asked this question about Jews in Nazi Germany the answer would have been the same....until the real horror was exposed after the war.

The far-right religious right-wingers are no longer part of mainstream Western culture. This is why they support anything that is anti-democracy. 

There is np stronger a view of anti-democracy bar between the leftist woke culture junk - one cannot call them people..     They hate democracy and undermines it .   Idiots support the Nazi elements in the Ukraine army - they do the murder and execution of civilians.     Some of the most li beral people are in church  leaders like the present Pope.

The filth that leads the Democrats in the USA is ultra-corrupt and  - they have no conscience and is leading a pack of unthinking dolts who are in the same kick-back system.   

I admire honest real liberals not the filth who claim they are liberals - but who are nothing more than thieving criminals.   .     

"Even if they’re only of ball park accuracy?

I mean, here’s a raging debate going on about who is evil and who isn’t yet it seems nobody is possessed of the facts nor very interested in discovering them.

Kinda pointless?"

Did you watch the Oliver Stone documentary ?

I haven't yet, Draad...but it's on my list.

Might check it this week.

I've done some reading on the history of Nazism in Ukraine though. Seems like they've been useful idiots at times, were brought in to kill people that Russian-speaking Ukrainians refused to and are perhaps playing a similar role again...but there are always consequences. 

What's a tad concerning is that this invasion is playing into their hands and causing people who previously only held Nazi views to sign up for training and be indoctrinated.

What happens when the Russians are defeated and the Nazis remain? 

I do not think despite that propaganda and bogus information that Russia would be defeated - there is zero chance of that in fact.    The Russians has not moved beyond the areas here the main Russian  population are living and has been living for centuries.     The are concerned was before 1953 never part of Ukraine - but part of Russia after the fall of the Crimea Khanate an when that Khanate collapsed in the 18th century - the area  was sparsely populated  and migrants from various countries were brought in to settle there - the vast majority came from Russia itself..    These people had no contact with Ukraine - who at that stage was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Federation.    It was when that Federation collapsed that Poland territories were divided  nd Ukraine became part of Russia more than 200 years ago also in the 18th century.   

Ukraine became a Oblast (province) of Russia - but excluded  the present so-called  East Ukraine and Crimea.    In WW2 the Ukrainians sided with the Germans  and  it was after that war the Russians occupied the Oblast again and then decided that they need a Russian majority population - since they could not trust the Ukrainians.    They incorporated areas like the Donbas and Crimea  to achieve that objective.

When  Ukraine in a referendum voted to become independent the majority came from the Russian component of the population and in subsequent elections the Russian component always won majorities,    That was so until 1913 when the Eastern  and Southern Ukraine populations vote the same way and an uprising in Kiev overthrew the elected Government.

That caused the start of he Civil War in Ukraine that never ended..    That was when part of the  Eastern Ukraine was occupied by Russian speaking soldiers - obviously assisted by Russia through provision of arms and ammunition.   The  Crimea Parliament completely controlled by  the Russian speakers voted to apply to Russia to become part of the Russian Federation and authorized  that a referendum should be held to see whether Crimiea should stay part of Uraine or become part of Russia.   The pro-Russians won by a majority of  over 90%.

The reason why  the EU and NATO countries wants control of Crimea is to ensure that he Russian Navy could not use Crimean ports and  for them the sole object was to  ensure that the Russians are to be neutralized that way.    They do not care a fig about what the population think about the issue - they only saw benefits of Ukraine becoming a NATO member and a threat to Russia in the process.     The opposition to the Russian Unification according to a 2019  survey by a German institute shrunk to 4% of the voters interviewed.    So NATO wants to occupy Ukraine as a further  access to threaten Russia. 

As to  the 2014-2015 civil war there were circa 14 000  civilians killed in the civil war and since the war there were 4 000 more civilians killed - 81% in the parts of  the Donbas area was in areas where the Donetsk Government ruled and 19%  in the areas occupied by Ukraine armed forces.    In both cases the attacks stemmed from actions of the Ukraine army  against civilian areas.    These figures are obtained from Wikipedia - hardly a fair arbiter in this case.   The figures are likely much higher - the  Russian Federation allowed for the evacuation of   circa 2 million women and children to be moved into Russia for their safety.   

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Censorship on social media and the internet is quite effective.  Some people like to ignore news they don't like and make it off as fake news if it's not from their trusted sources...I'm not saying it's the case in Ukraine, but I definitely won't bet my house on the narrative the media...and everyone else are pushing ATM...like with Covid, too much agreement and too many "catch phrases" for my liking...almost like it's scripted...and too many other things that don't add up...something is way off.

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I do not think despite that propaganda and bogus information that Russia would be defeated - there is zero chance of that in fact.

Yes mike your most certainly don't think. 

I could not be arsed replying to your complete post because its total garbage on so many levels but I will respond to the claim the the Ukrainians sided with the Germans in WW2 because that's a complete distortion of history and highly offensive one at that.

Over 4 million Ukrainian's served in the Soviet Red Army during World War II. By 1944 Ukrainian's comprised 40% of the entire Red Army. Thousands more fought as Partisans. Of all the Soviet Republics in the USSR, Ukraine was the one the sustained the highest percentage of causalities due to war crimes and the second highest of all countries after Poland. 1.6 million Ukrainians' died fighting for the Red Army, while 3.7 million Ukrainian (40% of them where Jewish) where killed as collateral damage or outright murdered by the Nazi's.

Yes there was some collaboration between a small minority of Ukrainian's and the Nazi's (and also  a small minority of Russian's collaborated too) but to say the Ukrainian's sided with the Germans is just an obscene distortion of reality.

Stacv 

I did  not lie about that at all - but there are a few thing s that you are totally wrong about.  The story about Ukraine is not true,   Stalin caused the death by starvation of circa 4 million people.    Aside from that their were a huge number of Ukrainians in slave camps in Siberia - where small numbers ever returned,       That was effectively a way of killing off people that the Communists regarded as  traitors.  

Just imagine 3,1 million youngstes between 17 and 19 years were forced into the Russian Army, whose command structure was destroyed by Stalin - sent the untrained youngsters to fight the Germans and of those only 3% survived that ordeal 6 months after the start of the war. 

Where would that four million soldiers came from barely 7 years later,    The Ukrainians loved the Stalin regime so much - they would join and serve loyally the murderer of their people - Unbelievable, because it is totally illogical.  .     .      

That number were reduced as a result of  80 000 Ukranians became part of the SS and those were involved in sending Jews to German camps.   Aside from them there were Ukrainian army units who fought for the  German Army fighting in Russia.   Obviously the Russians distrusted the Ukrainians so much  that in 1953 out of brotherly love for the Ukrainians - if you believe the propaganda - they incorporated the Donbas Region and the Crimea into the Ukraine area.  to ensure that there were enough Russians living in Ukraine to ensure a  majority of Ukraine inhabitants would be Russian speakers. - that is an absolute fact.   An artificial State - similar to Yugoslavia was created and the end result was civil wars in both cases,   

So believe the propaganda - the people of  Ukraine are all loyal to Ukraine.   In 2014 an election took place and a new government elected  - there was an uprsing in Kieve and a new Government were established following a coup and those were the cause for the fact that the Crimean Parliament decided to have a referendum and over 90% of the voters supported the idea to become part of Russia.      In the Don bas a civil war broke out that There  was a number of opinion polls conducted in the Crimea  and  all confirmed that the vast majority of Crimeans were in favor of  joining the Russian Federation.     Russia armed the  Donbas fighters in the civil war.

I do not fall for BS  and lying propaganda and I do make a study of  the  briad scenario attached to historic events.    Propaganda tells stories which are not true and hide the truth at all costs.                   

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I do not fall for BS  and lying propaganda

That's all you do. If ever a case study into indoctrination was conducted you would be Exhibit A through Z.  

What you wrote4 above is total BS and therefore related to no facts at all - the result of Propaganda.  I quoted exact examples and give facts - I think in historic terms of the famous  saying - Take what is good and noble from the past and build your future on that.

I said Putin was really bad in attacking Ukraine - but I realize why it happened.    There were serious problems in Ukraine after the coup in 2014 in Kiev - a coup that would not be supported by real democrats  but was supported by the USA and the EU.   The result went sour as expected  and the great hope was to take over the Russian fleet basis in Crimea by getting  Ukraine into NATO.   

You apparently believe all the adjusted history of what happened to fit a new propaganda war now going on.    You are as per normal with your lot a fake democrat - thinking that opposition to your thinking must be regarded as traitorous coming from reactionary criminals.   Just like that arsehole corrupt President of the USA and the Democratic Party.               

No the term useful idiots applied to leftists used by the Communists.    People  who think critically are not useful idiots - to be such you have o be easily indoctrinated by fake news media posing as such - but in reality they are  not news agency - but propaganda tools of their owners,   According to them - idiots are usable, thinking people are not.  

"The term useful idiot springs to mind."

Not sure about the "useful" bit . . .

Mike don't worry, we'll see sooner or later, whose getting the right context.

There are are a lot more informed individuals that know the right context of this, far more than certainly anyone here.

What they don't know is what is actually happening because their own information is based on lies.

Ukraine forces will not win this war, I have no doubt about that.

The war has now entered the 2nd phase where strategy has changed from defensive to attack, the more effective methods will be pin point accurate.and effective.

Unfortunately this is true...the consequences will be awful, far, far worse.

But I hope that some sense eventually is seen not too late. Russia's reasonable demands have to be met and respected and met...if not it is going to be absolutely terrible.

They might laugh at you and me now, but we'l see who has the last laugh but ofcourse this no laughing matter. It's bloody tragic and yes it could have been avoided if the original terms and agreements were honoured.

I have some respect for Stav because he sees things from a different narrative but Red Neck is not worth reading at all, just ignore, he hates that. Starve trolls.

Dum bmike is a radicalized redneck

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