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Collusion is not a crime!

Started by Koos Kombuis40 REPLIES1,508 VIEWS· 31 Jul 2018, 09:05
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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
31 Jul 2018, 09:05
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31 Jul 2018, 09:05#1

Bozo the Prez and his lapdog Rudy are moving the goalposts again. How many times did we hear "there was no collusion" or "it's all a witch-hunt"? I see now it's changed to "uhhh . . . yes well . . . collusion is not a crime!"


Most people would see this as a tacit admission that they've been lying through their teeth all this time but I bet the Trumpanzees are just lapping it up.


I think Robert Mueller is a decent man doing the job he is paid to do. Let's just hope he can avoid most of the mud that Trump and Giuliani will inevitably throw at him in an attempt to besmirch his character. That is their modus operandi after all.


I don't actually know if collusion is a crime or not but I'm pretty sure that if Trump did know about the Russian interference in the elections (or orchestrated it) that not even the Trumpanzees can put enough spin on this for him to remain president. 


Putin might have to start looking around for a puppet that's equally pliable but not quite as stupid.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Jul 2018, 09:27
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31 Jul 2018, 09:27#2
Context, Fielies, context. Alan Dershowitz, Liberal Democrat and Hillary Clinton voting law professor has been saying for ages that even if Trump did collude with anybody it is not a crime. How many people have been indicted at “convenient” times and yet, every time they stress that no Americans, let alone Donald Trump, have been implicated? Even more importantly, what about the real collusion that has been uncovered and ignored? And then this question? Trump has been able to achieve what he has, ie lowest unemployment, above 4% growth, manufacturing returning the the US, Kim Jong Un brought to the negotiating table, sustained sanctions against Russia, Iran on their way to the negotiating table, etc. All of this has been with the entire left wing loonies and the MSM and the Democrats and the RINOs against him from day one. Had that not been the case, what more would he have achieved. Thank heavens Hillary didn’t win.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Jul 2018, 09:29
#3
31 Jul 2018, 09:29#3
And the. I haven’t even started on “good man” Mueller. Let alone even “better” Rod Rosenstein.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
31 Jul 2018, 09:57
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31 Jul 2018, 09:57#4
Typical Trumpanzee response. Deflect attention away from Bozo's incompetence and deceit by making wild and unfounded accusations against the other guys.
As for whether collusion in itself is a crime, like I said perhaps it isn't but conspiracy against the USA is. This from Time magazine:

“It’s not whether it’s the crime of collusion it’s whether they engaged in the act of collusion in furtherance of actual criminal behavior,” said Bradley Moss, an attorney in Washington D.C. who specializes in national security issues.

Peter Zeidenberg, who was deputy special counsel in the Scooter Libby case and worked with Special Counsel Robert Mueller at the Justice Department, explained that while the legal code doesn’t strictly define collusion, that doesn’t mean acts of collusion are not criminal.

" Literally that’s true: there is no crime of collusion. But I don’t know how you collude with Russia without conspiring to do so and I think it’s pretty clear that Mueller believes conspiracy with those working to interfere with the election is a crime. It’s a crime of conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States,” said Zeidenberg.

Fact is Trump could be facing 20 years in jail. Now wouldn't that be funny considering all the talk on this forum of Obama and Hillary serving time?

 


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bluebokPro3,977 posts
31 Jul 2018, 10:03
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31 Jul 2018, 10:03#5

I hear there is activity in North Korea at the facility where they produced the ICBM's capable of reaching the US mainland. It seems Kim may be up to his old tricks again. 

KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
31 Jul 2018, 10:10
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31 Jul 2018, 10:10#6
Hmmm, I though Bozo fixed all that . . . or is it more delusional fantasy from the Trumpanzees?
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When it comes to nukes, the one thing that's always amazed me is how the one country in the world that's actually used nukes to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians is so adamant that no-one else in the world develops the same capabilities.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
31 Jul 2018, 12:55
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31 Jul 2018, 12:55#7

Old trump could go down in history alongside Chamberlain hahahaha

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
31 Jul 2018, 13:05
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31 Jul 2018, 13:05#8

Robert Mueller is unquestionably a decent man....decent to the core. 

I dare anyone to claim he has been compromised or to find some dirt on him. 

One other thing, h e certainly doesn't support the world's oldest profession.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Jul 2018, 14:17
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31 Jul 2018, 14:17#9

"When it comes to nukes, the one thing that's always amazed me is how the one country in the world that's actually used nukes to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians is so adamant that no-one else in the world develops the same capabilities."


You are almost as careless with the facts as Ou Maaikie is.


The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-Proliferation Treaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament.[2] Between 1965 and 1968, the treaty was negotiated by the Eighteen Nation Committee on Disarmament, a United Nations-sponsored organization based in Geneva, Switzerland.

Opened for signature in 1968, the treaty entered into force in 1970. As required by the text, after twenty-five years, NPT Parties met in May 1995 and agreed to extend the treaty indefinitely.[3] More countries have adhered to the NPT than any other arms limitation and disarmament agreement, a testament to the treaty's significance.[2] As of August 2016, 1 91 states have adhered to the treaty, though North Korea, which acceded in 1985 but never came into compliance, announced its withdrawal from the NPT in 2003, following detonation of nuclear devices in violation of core obligations.[4] Four UN member states have never accepted the NPT, three of which are thought to possess nuclear weapons: India, Israel, and Pakistan. In addition, South Sudan, founded in 2011, has not joined


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Jul 2018, 14:50
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31 Jul 2018, 14:50#10

Blue, one thing that is in fact telling is that no rockets were launched from North Korea for months now. Before the summit, NK has been testing ICBM's for years. Japan and SK got very upset every time.

ISIS...quiet suddenly?

Syria...quiet lately?

Iran and Israel?.... not so much, but watch this space.


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bluebokPro3,977 posts
31 Jul 2018, 15:03
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31 Jul 2018, 15:03#11

Cera, under Trump the US are in fact expanding nuclear capabilities. So it is probably best not to quote the NPT to defend Trump, when he is going against it.  

Under President Obama, it embarked on an intense nuclear modernisation programme, while making commitments towards nuclear non-proliferation and – as a long-term goal – nuclear disarmament. President Donald Trump took office in January 2017 with the promise to discontinue the previous administration's policy priorities. This is reflected in the current realignment of the US nuclear weapons policy. The new administration aims to expand US nuclear capabilities, is sceptical of international arms-control agreements, and has a more determinant stance on non-proliferation.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Jul 2018, 15:21
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31 Jul 2018, 15:21#12
Not quite what I was saying. I was referring to the suggestion that the US is supposedly the one country that is “adamant that no one else” has nuclear capabilities. The fact is that it is the wish of a whole host of countries.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
31 Jul 2018, 15:38
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31 Jul 2018, 15:38#13
No Ceradyne, I didn't say that the USA is the one country that is adamant etc, read what I did actually say before you get all self-righteous and indignant.
The only time I used the term "the one country" was in relation to the USA being the one and only country that has actually dropped nuclear bombs on another country.
Don't know if you realise it but you Trumpanzees do sound a lot like your idol when you twist other peoples words and put your own spin on what was actually said.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jul 2018, 15:45
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31 Jul 2018, 15:45#14
Mueller has a responsibility to bring his investigation to completion. It was supposed to be a Russian collusion investigation...what we are seeing instead is an attempt to 'get Trump' on any charge that sticks and the usual intimidation of potential witnesses. This investigation was never justified based on known facts and has morphed into a political tactic to contain Trump. If Mueller is an honorable man he should step forward and say no collusion has been found, the attempt to create an obstruction of justice case is dishonest. Comey was fired on the recommendation of Rod Rosenstein.....rightly or wrongly, the process was pristine.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
31 Jul 2018, 15:53
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31 Jul 2018, 15:53#15
Why should Mueller say that no collusion has been found? The FBI and CIA have each independently investigated Russia's involvement in the 2016 election and come to the conclusion that they did in fact interfere with the election and Mueller has an eyewitness ready to testify that Donald Trump not only knew about the meeting between the Russians and his son and son-in-law but endorsed it.
Doesn't sound like there was no collusion, to me it sounds like just the opposite.

Trump and the Trumpanzees should shut up and let Mueller do his job.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jul 2018, 16:13
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31 Jul 2018, 16:13#16
No the FBI has said Russia interfered with the election.....as they always do.....not that there was collusion with the Trump team. Mueller has 'done his job' for 15 months......by now he should have confirmed Strock's conclusion that "there is no there there".
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Jul 2018, 18:23
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31 Jul 2018, 18:23#17
Ou Koos, maybe you should read your own post again.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
31 Jul 2018, 20:27
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31 Jul 2018, 20:27#18
Read it again and I still come to the same conclusion . . . that only a really stupid person would interpret that as saying only the USA is adamant that no-one else should have nuclear capabilities.
Read it one more time and . . . sorry . . . I still think you're making a dick of yourself.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Jul 2018, 22:31
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31 Jul 2018, 22:31#19

Koos, The Donald is cleverer than you, atleast he knows Marxism is a fckup.

You can't fix STUPID.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Jul 2018, 23:45
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31 Jul 2018, 23:45#20

"When it comes to nukes, the one thing that's always amazed me is how the one country in the world that's actually used nukes to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians is so adamant that no-one else in the world develops the same capabilities."

The lack of punctuation, leaves th e above wide open to interpretation. The subject in your statement is "the one country". Correct? If that is true, then this is how I read the above:

"When it comes to nukes, the one thing that's always amazed me is how the one country in the world.... [Obviously the USA] that's actually used nukes to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians [This, IMO, is a description of the country that you are referring to] ....is so adamant that no-one else in the world develops the same capabilities."

I'm open to be convinced otherwise.





KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
01 Aug 2018, 08:04
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01 Aug 2018, 08:04#21
Oh I see, so it's my punctuation at fault and not your stubborn and ignorant narrow-mindedness?
Okay then, suit yourself but please don't think that highlighting the bits that you want to connect proves anything.  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Aug 2018, 09:29
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01 Aug 2018, 09:29#22
Nope. The real issue is that I saw through the obfuscation.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
01 Aug 2018, 11:26
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01 Aug 2018, 11:26#23
So basically, if I had to make the following statement:
Ceradyne, the one poster who is too stubborn and argumentative to admit he's wrong about anything is a bit of a dickhead.

. . . your conclusion would be that you're the only poster who I think is a bit of a dickhead?
Yes?
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Aug 2018, 11:32
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01 Aug 2018, 11:32#24
..... and the beat goes on....
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
01 Aug 2018, 11:50
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01 Aug 2018, 11:50#25
So is that a no? What's the difference?
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
01 Aug 2018, 14:03
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01 Aug 2018, 14:03#26
I have been going back and forth trying to figure out exactly what it is you two are arguing about, and I think I have finally figured it out. 
When I read that paragraph by KK I understand it to mean that he finds it amazing that the only country ever to use nuclear weapons against civilians is the country now trying to prevent any new country from developing their own nuclear capabilities. You really need to use your imagination to find a different meaning. The assumption is simple, everybody in the whole world with an IQ above that of a retard knows that numerous countries have nuclear weapons, and that they have had them for a long time. The singular "the one country.." is singling out the US as the only country to have actually used nukes. 
Am I missing something? 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2018, 15:15
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01 Aug 2018, 15:15#27
It's simple Bloo the Welsh Wallie is saying the US is the only country that is adamant that no one else develops Nuclear weapons......which is of course total nonsense. Nato for example is totally against the proliferation of nuclear weapons and it comprises many countries. Vlag wiped the floor with the Wallie again.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
01 Aug 2018, 16:56
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01 Aug 2018, 16:56#28
Spot on bluebok, especially your point on requiring an IQ above that of a retard.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Aug 2018, 17:26
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01 Aug 2018, 17:26#29
LOL!!!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2018, 18:02
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01 Aug 2018, 18:02#30
Kombuis avoids the explanation.....classical Urinal tactics. If you can't beat them, pretend they are not handing you your head.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Aug 2018, 09:47
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02 Aug 2018, 09:47#31
Has anybody bothered to go beyond wild opinions and actually looked a bit more closely at the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons? I’m talking about the rationale and history behind it, who joined, who declined to join, how long was it supposed to last, who started and led the idea to extend itv indefinitely, etc, etc.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
02 Aug 2018, 10:23
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02 Aug 2018, 10:23#32
Tell you what, Ceradyne, if you want to have a chat about the history and rationale behind the anti-nuke Treaty then go ahead and start a thread about it.
In the meantime, why not try to answer the question I asked that you've been dodging ever since you showed your IQ to be that of a retard?
Just to repeat it . . . in the example I used above (using identical sentence structure, syntax and punctuation to the original question that got your frilly pink panties all wet and bunched up) would you come to the conclusion that I think you're the only dickhead on this board?
I know how much you love to paint clevermike as someone who evades your questions, don't go being a hypocrite now. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Aug 2018, 10:55
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02 Aug 2018, 10:55#33
This was your suggested remark: Ceradyne, the one poster who is too stubborn and argumentative to admit he's wrong about anything is a bit of a dickhead. This would have been my response: Although you would like to claim the above to be a matter of fact, it is actually an opinion and I don’t really care about your opinions of me. You have actually proven yourself to be someone who would much prefer to attack someone rather than attack his/her/their opinions. Much like your friend, Ou Maaikie does. That is why I preferred to ignore your remark. Your remark about the USA was based on the fact (not opinion) that they have used nuclear weapons. I have not challenged that fact. I have challenged your attack on their part in nuclear non proliferation. That is what I was trying to debate about but you seemed hellbent on having a go at me. And BTW I will admit when I’m wrong but you will have to convince me, which you haven’t done (yet?). After all, if you look closely that I have ended me earlier post with: “I’m open to be convinced otherwise.
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
02 Aug 2018, 11:55
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02 Aug 2018, 11:55#34
Be honest now Ceradyne, the reason why you won't answer my question (which I'm not claiming as fact, I'm just taking the same sentence structure, syntax and punctuation that upset you so much to a simpler hypothetical example that even an idiot can understand) is because you realise that you jumped to a wrong conclusion but you're not man enough to admit it.
Either that or you really do have an IQ in the retard range.
Oh and claiming to be open to be convinced otherwise while at the same time refusing point blank to answer a valid question is just childish. No other word for it.
In summary, nowhere in my statement towards the top of this thread did I imply that the USA was the only country opposed to nukes. You and your fellow retard mozart appear to be the only ones stupid enough to have drawn that conclusion and now we're just waiting for you to admit that . . . and the longer you take the funnier it gets!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Aug 2018, 12:06
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02 Aug 2018, 12:06#35

KKK  aka rooitwitter bug is reaching levels of stupidity and ignorance rivaled by dense denise!!!!

Glad to see Windpomp has a solvd grasp of the situation and made as buffoon of ou rooitwit.

The point made by Dershowitz, Professor Emeritus Yale University, was that collusion is not a crime so what was the predicate for the Mueller Special Council. There can be no crime also regarding the firing of Comey as the President can fire anybody he chooses. Note Rosenstein who advised Trump to fire Comey set up his big buddy Mueller to investigate Obstruction of Justice - proving he is hopelessly conflicted. His conflicts go further, Rosenstein signed off on the third Fisa warrant!!!! Note the Fisa warrants did not disclose to the judge that the dossier was unverified (You cant provide a Fisa Judge with unverified information) and neither was the fact that the dossier was paid for by the DNC and The Clinton campaign disclosed!!!!!! The dossier was compiled by retired British agent and ant Trump scumbag Steele who got his information from none other than the Russians. You are not allowed to pay foreigners for such information , it is a felony! This is real collusion with the Russians.

Note Mueller is NOT investigating a PROVEN case of Russian Collusion. Neither is dirty cop Mueller investigating the DNC servers which were the subject of some hack. The DNC refused to allow the FBi to examine the servers and the FBi meekly walked away. A company Crowdsrike, affiliated to the Clintons campaign said it was the Russians. BUT NO PROOF HAS been seen!. Further, there is the question of Seth Riches murder as many believe he was the hacker. The meta data showed that the speed of the download was such that the data would have to have been downloaded on to a flash drive as the speed of the download was too fast for the internet. Also very telling is that Mueller has not interviewed Jullian Assange who knows where he got the emails from and insists it was NOT the Russians. Kim.Com also says he has proof regarding the hacking and is willing to testify before Congress provided he gets a free pass to travel to and from the USA. Again Mueller has not sought to interview Kim.Com.

These two facts re Collusion and obstruction mean that an investigation is going on to find a crime of what ever nature to nail Trump. This is unheard of and a serious miscarriage of Justice and Sessions has a huge amount to answer for if he is not part of a sting operation. This is nothing less than an attempted coup to overthrow a dully elected POTUS.

Note that no evidence of collusion has occurred after all this time. All Muellers indictments have zero to do with Trump. Mueller has granted immunity to Clinton people as did Comey and gone after Trump people with a vengeance e.g Mannafort and Cohen Jude Ellis told Mueller that it is obvious Mueller has no interest in Mannafort but is squeezing Mannafort to turn on Trump or even compose! What a disgrace!!!

Mueller has hired 17 angry demonrats who have a blind hatred of Trump to go and look for a crime, any crime will do no matter when it occurrred. Pitbull Andrew Weissman being the most obnoxious - the scumbag has an appalling record!The partianship of this group is beyond words and consequently the majority of Americans now believe a witch hunt is on the go.

But Mueller himself is in trouble. Muller was sent by crooked Hillary Clinton to Moscow with a Uranium sample. it was Mueller and his buddy Rosenstein who worked hard to cover up the infamous Uranium 1 scandal where Putin acquired 20% of American Uranium and the Clinton Foundation received 145 Million dollars from the Russians.

There is no doubt whatsoever Mueller, Rosenstein and many others will go to prison unless the USA justice system has collapsed. President Trump has all the cards and can strike when he so chooses. Meanwhile Tucker Carlson has called for the GOP to table the unredacted Fisa warrant docs and read then out in the Congress, a similar step was take by Senator Dianne Feinstein so why not. Demonrats trying desperately to cover all this stuff up but it keeps comi ng out!


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Aug 2018, 12:21
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02 Aug 2018, 12:21#36
There is, of course, the peculiar possibility that Manafort May call, as one of his witnesses, the lawyer who represented him when he was exonerated on these same charges eight years ago. Guess who that lawyer was. The one and only Rod Rosenstein.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2018, 13:22
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02 Aug 2018, 13:22#37
I didn't know that.....the Swamp!
KK
Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
02 Aug 2018, 14:25
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02 Aug 2018, 14:25#38
"Uh . . . we've . . . ummmm . . . looked over the . . . uhh . . . transcripts and . . . it should have been obvious - I thought it would be obvious but I would like to clarify, just in case it wasn't. I n a key sentence in my remarks I said the word "drain" instead of "create" . . . the sentence should have read "create the swamp" instead of "drain the swamp" . . . a sort of . . . ummm . . . double negative."
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2018, 14:58
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02 Aug 2018, 14:58#39
How's the drinking problem these days?
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