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Emerging thoughts on the Election

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 May 2024, 18:40
#41
17 May 2024, 18:40#41

Stav

Get real for a change.    The D emcorats wanted to find ways and means to prevent Trump from being acandidate in the 2024 election at a meeting held in 2023 to deal with the election strategy.    Af ter the emeting the demorats announced that a unique strategy will be announced in due course,  be announced      

Since the Demcrats had no defense for the total disasatrous administration - the unique strategy was in evidence  iro the following -

*    getting Trump out of the election by the Courts ruling about scrapping him as a potential candidate; and

*     charging of Trump with fake legal charges concocted by the New York DA's - as well in Florida for the secret documents  he took and in Georgia with election inteference in 2020.

 Insofar as the elimination of Trump as a candidate is concrned of the strategy to get Trump out of the election ended up in the Supreme Court in in a unanimous decision the Court through it out based on the fact that it was uconstitutional.   Biden and the Democrats nearly had a seizure and attacked the Supreme Court for not complying with their plan to eliminate Trump from being  candidate in the 2024 election..    

The whole fake campaign against Trump started in the mid-term election in 2019 where James and Bragg (both funded by Soros) campaigned on the basis that they would get at Trump legally jailed based on charges they were going  to discover.   In the case of Bragg he appointed some lawyers and they abandoned the search to find a crime in 2019 and left the DA office - there was none.    James did not even try to find a real crime - so they charged Trump with fraud - a joke since nobody came forward to claim they were defrauded.   .   

For that purpose there were to be close liaison between the WH, the Justice Department and  the local DA's involved.    In 2024 every time the Biden Administration fucked up royally new charges were laid to keep the bugger-up under wraps.   None of the charges raised had zero to do with any crime - it has all to do with politics and getting Trump out of the election.     The first case as announced in January 2024 and the others followed with intervals.   So who delayed the charges being laid?,    In the case of the Bragg charge - the procedure decided on was to get Trump secluded in a court room to prevent him from campaigning  - so any delay was concocted by the WH  and Justice Department = not by Trumps lawyers. .

While James did not even bother to find a legal crime The WH liaison decided to push ahead regardlessly.   The decision was to charge Trump with fraud - but no evidence was provided that anybody was defrauded.     The complot was that they would get a guilty verdict and then try and steal his properties in New York and reduce his money supply to be used in the election  if he does not come up with the rediculous amunt they claimed from Trump.   A federal judge reduced the guarantee to be provided by Trump from $450 million to  $175 million and the case is now on appeal.    Since there was no fraud in fact committed the end result of the James case will result in Trump being compensated for the legal costs he was forced to obtain and that would probably lead to the Department paying hundreds of millions be covered by the taxpayers.

In the Georgia case the DA appointed her boyfriend as Special Council to investigate the issue o elections in Georgia and allegations against Trump to interfer in the reslts.   The DA and Justice Department spend millions on the investigation  - part of the money used for luxury holidays in the Bahamas and Florida.   The boyfriend h ad no knowledge about election issue - so the real charges were drawn up by the WH legal advisors.    The case was complicated by obvious corruption involved and is now in the Federal Court to decide on what happened and chances are he Court is not going to put up with the BS.      

In the Florida case as to the secret documents taken.    The problem is the Judge decided in favor of the Defense and ruled that all documents must be made available to the Trump Defense team and that is where the shit hit the floor.   Each box of documents taken by Trump had been summarised on a cover summary of contents and  now many documents went missing.    The fact is the contents of what was covered in the missing documents must still be explained by the FBI.   The FBI failed to provide all the documents involved and the Judge postponed the hearing indefinitely until they provide the documents - which they failed to do to date.   .

  What ws really funny was that the FBI gave photos of secret files lying on the floor of the room in which it was kept at Mar-El-Lago .   It now turned out the FBI took Secret document covers and spread them out in a photo shop system and the photo was a fake photo haned to he emdia and finding its way onto this site was a fake as well.   The FBI claimed the phtoto was taken in the storeroom in Mar El Lago - but the problem was it was a fake since the carpet on the photo differ from the floor of the store rooms where the documents were kept.     .              .              

Based on the above and other issues of  undermining of Demcoracy the majoroty of people in the USA thinks that Biden is a bigger threat to democracy than Trump.

Read the above and yo u will find that Trump lawyers has zero to do with delays in handling  of the cases.     

     

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 May 2024, 20:31
#42
17 May 2024, 20:31#42

"You said all the lawsuits brought against him amounted to nothing. I'm merely pointing out several of these lawsuits have ruled against Trump already."

You do know the difference between a civil suit and a criminal case, right?"


" I did say I don't think he's going to jail even if found guilty over the Stormy Daniels stuff "

Can you tell us what exactly the crime was and what exactly would constitute a fair burden of proof?

The fact that you still can't see through the BS is telling...

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 May 2024, 20:51
#43
17 May 2024, 20:51#43

You do know the difference between a civil suit and a criminal case, right?"

Yes.

Can you tell us what exactly the crime was and what exactly would constitute a fair burden of proof?

As far as I'm aware the charges are that he falsified business records in order to hide payments he made that undermined the integrity of the 2016 US election (i.e. paying off Stormy Daniels to keep her relationship with him quiet, which if it became public knowledge could have an had effect on that election).  

I don't know what would constitute fair burden of proof in New York trial , I'm no legal expert. 

The fact that you still can't see through the BS is telling.

Trump is the biggest BS artist of them all. The fact that you can't see through his grift is telling, but hey all can be excused by the line "orange man bad" right?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 May 2024, 08:31
#44
18 May 2024, 08:31#44

No excuses, but they're obviously stretching the law to nail him.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 May 2024, 08:40
#45
18 May 2024, 08:40#45

Stav

"As far as I'm aware the charges are that he falsified business records in order to hide payments he made that undermined the integrity of the 2016 US election (i.e. paying off Stormy Daniels to keep her relationship with him quiet, which if it became public knowledge could have an had effect on that election"

That is not any case New York  State can handle when it comes to the Federal election     The allegations against Trump was considered by the Federal Election Commission in  2017 and the case was dismissed by the said Commission - who fined Clinton and the NSC $100 000 doalrs for conravention and rejected the allegations made against Trump - if he was doing anything illegal the Election Comission would have fined him or referred the matter to the Federal Justice Deartment for prosecution.   In the present the main allegations against Trump most of the statements made by the Chief witnesses  related to inappropriate allegations that had nothing  to do with the court cases and those were all highlighted by the leftit press as real issues.    It was a political sideshow - not a real trial anyway.

The Biden Administration knows the NY charges are political BS - but they hope that with the media coverage the people would beleive a Goebbel's trick by them.- if you repeated a lie often enough  people would believe it is true.   They know none of the charges will be accepted by higher courts - so they use it as  a political stunt hoping that the gullible would believe the allegaions are true.

What make Trump a BS  artist in your book?   Please elaborate on that one with proof of why he is one.  .            

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 May 2024, 09:10
#46
18 May 2024, 09:10#46
"As far as I'm aware the charges are that he falsified business records in order to hide payments he made that undermined the integrity of the 2016 US election (i.e. paying off Stormy Daniels to keep her relationship with him quiet, which if it became public knowledge could have an had effect on that election). " Stav, do you believe that the FBI and Facebook should face similar charges RE Hunter's laptop? As I recall, FB were directly told to label it as misinformation, even when there was no evidence to the fact, because it would obviously have undermined the most recent election? How many laws were broken in that instance? Would you at least agree that there is a massive double standard? I do know you like a challenge, so you would likely be up to answering as to what it could mean, in a democracy, when a double standard on this scale and at this level exists. To me it seems pretty obvious that it's down to unelected deep state agencies attempting to both subvert basic foundational democratic liberties and attempting to run a country from behind the scenes. But maybe I'm wrong.
ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
18 May 2024, 10:21
#47
18 May 2024, 10:21#47

As I recall, FB were directly told to label it as misinformation, even when there was no evidence to the fact, because it would obviously have undermined the most recent election?

That's the right wing narrative of what happened. What actually happened was that the FBI had advised Facebook to watch out for disinformation campaigns by foreign actors following widespread complaints of that occurring during the 2016 elections. This was before the laptop came to light and they said nothing specifically to Facebook about Hunter laptops to Facebook.

When the story started spreading, it looks like Facebook where not sure whether it was disinformation campaign and following its own rather opaque policy on misinformation and likely with what the FBI had said to them in mind, Facebook decided to limit and then block linking to the story. About a day or so later as it became clear they had made a mistake and that it wasn't a disinformation campaign and therefore they decided to roll back on blocking the story. 

How many laws were broken in that instance?

None that I'm aware of. It did raise many interesting questions though about how social media platforms decide what and what isn't disinformation.

Would you at least agree that there is a massive double standard?

No, because there is no evidence that FBI specifically told anyone to block Hunter Biden's laptop, nor was any money exchanged or business records falsified.

I do know you like a challenge, so you would likely be up to answering as to what it could mean, in a democracy, when a double standard on this scale and at this level exists.

To me it seems pretty obvious that it's down to unelected deep state agencies attempting to both subvert basic foundational democratic liberties and attempting to run a country from behind the scenes.

But maybe I'm wrong

I don't see a double standard. I see a narrative being put forward that allows Trump supporters to excuse and dismiss every charge against him. That cognitive dissonance they feel by supporting Trump can be be assuaged by the wonder comfort food that is whataboutery.

There is no deep state in America. I've always viewed the deep state theory as largely an excuse for the section of America that's obsessed with guns. They need to believe that the government might one night come for them in their sleep and then their guns will save them and therefore gun ownership is justified.

More recently its been co-opted by Trump supporters to dismiss all charges and ruling against Trump regardless of evidence.

That's not to say there isn't corruption or cases of people making decisions based on their political leanings in situations where they shouldn't. So is it possible that when it comes to Trump that he wouldn't be facing some of the charges if he was anyone else, yeah that's possible, but if so I highly doubt it's due to an order from the White House or some other part of the government but more a case of some district attorney or prosecutor disliking Trump or thinking prosecuting Trump would be good for their career.

But t hen again maybe I'm wrong.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 May 2024, 11:16
#48
18 May 2024, 11:16#48

The usual whataboutism from the Trumpanzees. Their hero embraced Russian collusion to win the 2016 election, lost the 2020 election after his incompetent twice-impeached  term of office was ended (by the weakest candidate in history); then squealed and whined like a big spoilt blubbering baby about a rigged election and jeopardized American democracy just to satisfy his bloated ego . . . and now he's trying to win the 2024 election by delaying legal cases against him long enough for him to become president again and then he can pardon himself . . . but what about Joe Biden, they whine. What about Hunter and the laptop and the corruption and all the other bad and wicked things the naughty Democrats do?

Well what about Krusty? Everyone know s he's a certified idiot but it doesn't change the fact that Bozo is the most repulsive self-serving clown on the planet.

As I've said before, Donald Trump is one of the most polarising people in history. There are only two types of people in this world . . . people like me who see Bozo for what he is and people who are too stupid to see through his bullshit.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 May 2024, 11:23
#49
18 May 2024, 11:23#49
Well said.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 May 2024, 12:48
#50
18 May 2024, 12:48#50

Plum

What matter to me as being proven are a number of things, namely -

*    the role of the FBI with regard to the Russian Hoax as exposed by the Durham Special Council insofar as the origin and promoting of the Russian Hoax is concerned - kniowing full well it was in internal job by the DNC and the Justice Department and the WH in that scandal;

*    the organized effort exposed by Musk as to collusion between the WH, the Justice Department, the CIA and Homeland Security are conerned to hide not only the Hunter Biden Laptop by declaring it is "Russian Disinformation" - but also censor all other news to the detriment of the Biden Administration is concerned - eg there are virtually no news in the media supporting the Democrats as to what is going on insoar as the open border policy of the Biden Administration and the seriosu law and order collapse associated with the Administration as exposed also in the House invetigation of that issue - which is not only unconstitutitonal and illegal;

*      refusing to investigate the criminal activities of the Biden family as exposed in the Hunter Biden Laptop issue - as well as the Justice Department effort to have the charges of tax evasion and illegal possession by Hunter Biden - which included a weird clause that any further investigation of the Biden family would noy be investigated - which would clear Hunten frfom doing jail time - the judge saw through the scam and refuse to allow it to go through;

*     illegal spying by the FBI on 278 000 opponents as exposed by the FIS Court - the people being spied on being identified by Biden as "White Domestic Terrorists" because they were atending School Boad meetinsg to protest against woke education programs and attending the Catholic Church because they oppose the transgression sex policies of the Bidn Government - commented on during Senate Hearings;

*      The false data provision by the bureaucrats - eg last month there were 300 000 new jobs created - while the real figure now exposed were 175 000 jobs and a drop in serious crimes claimed by the FBI was BS as well - and inflation is way above the figures the Government claimed it to be - that type of info is provided by the bureaucracy fearing what will happen to them should Trump win the election.   

Varuious Presidents since WW2 warned the people of bureaucracy power.    In a conversation with a new Senator Senator Schumer in 2002 warned him that he must be careful not to criticize the FBI and CIA - since  they would concoct stories to sabotage his political career if he does and would not hessitate to spread those lies while denying they did so under oath.    

What is happening.in the USA is that the ultra-wealthy is in total control of the US A at present using the bureaucrats  through kickbacks to do their wishes and the whole sy stem is inherently corrupt as a result.    It also happens to the media - for insatnce Cooper of CNN's full salary of $22 million is paid by the Pharma Industry - who also control the Health Department by the same means.     Corruption runs deep in the political and bureaucratic practices in the USA - being protected by the Justice Department.    Example - There were fraudulent Covid grants paid to corruption partners of $5,4 billion - exposed by the Auditer General in his reports - but there is no indication that the Justice Department is investigating the situation and no arrests or charges has been laid by the Bureaucrats in the Justiuce Department - neither of any subsquent investigations done by the FBI.    Part of he issuie was raised in Minnesota - but for the rest no movement at all.   

                     

        

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 May 2024, 13:15
#51
18 May 2024, 13:15#51

Rooinek - where the hell did you get that Russian Hoax story from?  Mueller could find no proof  that there was collusion between the Trump election campaign and the  Russians in the 2016 election.   The source of the BS was investigated by Huxham who found the source being the Clinton campaign and the DNC through lies concocted  and helped along by the Obama WH and constanrt lies and leaks by the FBI.       

So what info have you got to counter the findings of Mueller and Huxham?    Please provide that proof if you can.   Knowing  that it was BS you will have a hard job to prove otherwise though.   

The legal cases was not delayed by Trump and what is clear is that all the charges laid was done in a desprate political effort to get rid of Trump.   The eidence thus far produced about the Mar-El Lago raid was so compromised by the FBI that the Judge decided not to go ahead with the cxase indefinitely.   A  famous BS story exposed that hundreds of the documents taken by the FBI has vanished - while the photo of secret douments lying  arouind on the floor was a fraud.  That  was taken as proof by you and the other brainwaszhed idiots as being true - but it now transpired that it was a fraud purputraterd by the FBI and provided by the FBI to the media.

CNN is no tryig to revive the Russian Collussion Hoax - so I presume that is where yo u gpt that BS from.   

The brainwashed idiot came up with  the following:-

"Well what about Krusty? Everyone knows he's a certified idiot but it doesn't change the fact that Bozo is the most repulsive self-serving clown on the planet.

As I've said before, Donald Trump is one of the most polarising people in history. There are only two types of people in this world . . . people like me who see Bozo for what he is and people who are too stupid to see through his bullshit."    \

The above showed that stupidity is a serious problem of the malfunctioning brain that cannot be repaired.   LMAO.

  

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 May 2024, 15:30
#52
18 May 2024, 15:30#52

Ou Maaik, you're not intelligent enough to understand anything I'd be stupid enough to try and tell you.

Just in case the statement above has overheated your primitive and puny little brain, I'll do my best to translate it into Shitoric so that there's some kind of mathematical chance you might understand what I'm telling you:

Yuo ar e be knot intellerjint enuofgh too u$664ndertanned a n ythngui waht I are stupid en2__uoghf too tri adn t ell yuo.

Got it now?


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 May 2024, 15:55
#53
18 May 2024, 15:55#53

Fo oitog!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 May 2024, 17:14
#54
18 May 2024, 17:14#54

Stav

"That's the right wing narrative of what happened. What actually happened was that the FBI had advised Facebook to watch out for disinformation campaigns by foreign actors followingwidespread claims  This was before the laptop came to light and they said nothing specifically to Facebook about Hunter laptops to Facebook."

There is no righttwing narrative  that ties in with  the above.   The FBI had the Hunter Laptop from Janmuary 2020 and they did nothing  about it as part of their normal cover up for the Biden Admnistration.    When the New York Post approachd the  FBI for comments  after they got hold of a copy of the hard drive and asked the FBI about it - they realized that it would not help to cover it up themselves  - they at regular meetings with  the FBI told the media and internet  that there may be Russian disinformation published and they must refrain from publisashing it and asked the internet paltform to ban it.    

Musk actually opened the box of venom when he found out what really happened and that the Biden Administration  through the FBI and CIA had regular meetings wih the media and internet platforms to censor news unfavorable to Biden.    Musk published the details about that really happened.    The House then launched a real investigation as to the uncnsttutional censor system that was in use.   There full report on that issue was hushed up by the emdia - because they were part of it. 

 Another part of  your narrative is also quetionable at best.    There were no widespread claims of interference by the Russian Government - what really widesspread lies concocted by the Clinton campaign and DNC - helped along by the Obama WH and by the FBI and CIA.     

Let me explain something to you - in September 2020 -  Biden and the DNC decided to send Kerry to Teheran to meet with the Iran Government.    The deal was struck that -

*     Biden - if elected as president - would eliminate restrictions as to selling of oit by unfreezing the money paid for oil in dollars - there is a law that all such money would be frozen - but Biden unfroze all the Iran dollar income from sale of oil; and in return 

*      the Iran Goverment would influence the Muslims to vote for Biden - the Iran Government did just that.

Aside from that Putin told western reporters that he support the election of Biden as President    The Chinese also had similar campaigns in the media and on the internet platforms in 2020.   The latter two will benefit from having Biden as President - a corrupt fool that.they can manipulate.   

      

  


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 May 2024, 17:14
#55
18 May 2024, 17:14#55

Stav

"That's the right wing narrative of what happened. What actually happened was that the FBI had advised Facebook to watch out for disinformation campaigns by foreign actors followingwidespread claims  This was before the laptop came to light and they said nothing specifically to Facebook about Hunter laptops to Facebook."

There is no rightwing narrative  that ties up with  the above.   The FBI had the Hunter Laptop from Janmuary 2020 and they did nothing  about it as part of their normal cver up for the Biden Admnistration.    When the New York Post approached them for comments after they got hold of a copy of the hard drive and asked the FBI about it - they realized that it would not help to cover it up themselves  - they at regular meetings with  the FBI told the media and internet  that there may be Russian disinformation published and they must refrain from publisashing it and asked the internet paltform to ban it.    

Musk actually opened the box of venom when he found out what really happened and that the Biden Administration  through the FBI and CIA had regular meetings wih the media and internet platforms to censor news unfavorable to Biden.    Musk published the details about that really happened.    The House then launched a real investigation as to the unconsttutional censor system that was in use.   There full report on that issue was hushed up by the media - because they were part of it.    

 Another part of  your narrative is also quetionable at best.    There were no widespread claims of interference by the Russian Government - what really widesspread lies concocted by the Clinton campaign and DNC - helped along by the Obama WH and by the FBI and CIA.     

Let me explain something to you - in September 2020 -  Biden and the DNC decided to send Kelly to Teheran to meet with the Iran Government.    The deal was struck that -

*     Biden - if elected as president - would eliminate restrictions as to selling of oit by unfreezing the money paid for oil in dollars - there is a law that all such money would be frozen - but Biden unfroze all the Iran dollar income from sale of oil; and in return 

*      the Iran Goverment would influence the Muslims to vote for Biden - the Iran Government did just that.

Aside from that Putin told western reporters that he support the election of Biden as President    The Chinese also had similar campaigns in the media and on the internet platforms in 2020.  The latter two will benefit from having Biden as President - a corrupt fool that.they can manipulate.      

      

  


BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 May 2024, 19:51
#56
18 May 2024, 19:51#56

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/may/18/chris-riddell-on-russias-advance-on-kharkiv-cartoon


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 May 2024, 23:42
#57
18 May 2024, 23:42#57

Menu item End-of-2019 price
Mid-2024 price Percentage increase

Medium French Fries
Then $1.79
Now $4.19
Up 134.1%


McChicken
Then $1.29
Now $3.89
Up 201.6%

Big Mac
Then $3.99
Now $7.49
Up 87.7%


10 McNuggets
Then $4.49
Now $7.58
Up 68.8%


Cheeseburger
Then $1.00
Now $3.15
Up 215%


Average price increase across these 5 items: 141.4%

Not as bad in South Africa, but still significant...fuel too.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2024, 02:21
#58
19 May 2024, 02:21#58

Draad

What I fiund amazing  is the comments on issues relating to Trump that people like  Rooidoos, Stav, BB and  Denny comes up with - they use a Stalin system  on how to handle differences and create from fake media stories  and  produced what they call facts and repeat that BS on site,    Either that or th ey mahufacture BS  themselves.   

All the cases started being  announced in January this year - especially those stemming  from periods before 2016  was announced one after another since then.  Trump's lawyers did not delay anything.     They never realized that the BS about the 2016 Russian Hoax was based netirely on lies conoocted by the Clinton campaign and  the DNC and there were no real interference - for them the fact that somenbody fromn Russia spent $41 000 on pro=Trump adverts on Facebook represent major Russian interference in the 2016 election.     The latest claim of the liars is th at Trump should have done something  about it.   But the question is what could he do?    He had no official position that he could use to stop such adverts and to ask the court to stop it would have been the throwing good money after bad.     In the USA presidential elections costs hundreds of billions of dollars making $41 000 a diminutive part of 1% of such expenditure.   

How did Trump's lawyers delay the charges laid since January 2024.   The real facts are totally different.    The Democrats decided to use court cases as a election maneuver in September 2023 and that is when they sent Kelly to Teheran to do a deal with the role of Iran in the 2020 election.    Iran and China spent millions on adverts supporting Biden in the election - important since the Muslim voters in Michigan and Minnesota can swing the election in those two states in the favor of the Democrats.    Kelly did what the Democrats accused Flynn of doing in 2016 - but then Flynn had a telephonic discussion with the Russian Ambassador in January 2016  way after the election - not before the election like Kelly did.    

There was no recording of what Kelly discussed with the Ayatollah  Government - buit the results afterwards were clear.    Biden unlawfully unfroze the dollars the Iran Government from oil sales.   The latter was unlawful since in terms of the 2018 law the money will not be unfrozen as long as Iran fight proxy wars in other countries and support terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.   Even El Queda  moved their operation headquarters from Afghanistan to Teheran and so did ISIS.    The other part was also clear - the USA will re-open the talks on nuclear issues with Iran and the results would benefit Teheran.

On the other hand Teheran spent tens of million of dollars advertising support for Biden by all Muslims.    China did the same as well iro all voters.    So if there was Russian disinfrrnnation affecting the 2016 elections there were even more disinformation by Iran and China in 2020. 

I would also like to remind the four mentioned that Trump's lawyers did nothing to delay the Court cases.    There were  no delays in  the two cases heard thus far in court pushed by the WH.   In both cases there were BS about Trump defrauding somebody and wild claims that lead to nobody being  defrauded.   So the narrative changed and the allegations was that Trump under-valued the Municipal valuation of the properties to reduce municipal taxation - but the four mentioned was dumb enough to fall for that media BS.   Municpqalities worldwide use the same methods to evaluate property values - owners do not make the valuations themselves.   Anyway that fraud BS is now on appeal and will get nowhere.    It will cost the States involved and people involved millions in legal expenses to be paid back to Trump for his legal costs.

Now lets get to the Georgia case.    In that case the DA for Fulton County appointed a lawyer with no expereience in election matters as Special Council to investigate the claims of the Fulton Council DA.    All he did was to liaise with the WH to frame charges against Trump - and for that he was paid $675 000.    She also used official funds for the two of them having luxury holidays in the Bahamas and Miami.     When that came out the matter went to court and it placed the judge in a difficult position.   He ruled based on the corruption involved that the lover of the DA be effectively fired  so the bottom fell out of that one - since the decision of the local judge was appealed and is now in the federal Court in Georgia.   It is not Trump's lawyers who is delaying the case - what  really happened with the case is that fraud by the Georgia DA is now under appeal and the charges laid by the DA is frozen until the Federal Court rule on the issue.

In the Florida case - Trumps lawyers asked to see ALL the docements taken from his residence by the FBI.    When the documents was delivered there were hundreds of documents mentioned in the cover sumamries not included in the released documents.    That is an entirely normal procedure defense lawyers would use in such cases and the presiding judge in that case ruled that the documents be made available for study by the defense lawyers.    Another case was the tampering by the FBI with one piece of evidence - namely the world famous photo of documents spread on the floor of the secured room where the documents were kept by Trump released by the FBI to the media.  It turned out the photo was not taken in the secured room where the documents were kept - but was taken by the FBI elsewhere and then distributed to the media.  That photo was used by the four as evidence of Trump's guilt on this site as well,    The evidence  on the two issues mentioned infuriated the judge and she postponed the case indefinitely.    That certainly was not a delaying effort by Trump lawyers - it was fraudulent action by the FBI that caused the delay.    It would be very interesting to know what happened to the missing documents - was it related to internal nonsense of the FBI or to the actvities of corrupt Demoratic Party politicians?    There must be a real reason why the FBI to not provide the documents to the court.       

Then we have the case of Special Council Smith - the new hero of the media - he could not evn go and buy a bread without CNN reporting it as topline news'   There are various constitutional issues to be resolved before the matter could go on trial and Smith decided to take those issues to the Supreme Court directly.   Since Smith did not use the normal strict procedures as to the fucntioning of the Supreme Court the Court refused to hear the case and told Smith to follow normal processes in that regard.   Those processes dealt wth hearing of cases first by a local judge - followed by review by the Federal Court and finally only then the matter could be submitted to the Supreme Court.   At the same time the Supreme Court indicatd there is no chance that the procedures to be followed would be for the court to fianlize the issue before election day in November 2024.    Be it as it may - the fact is that the claim that Trump's lawyers delayed the court cases are real media BS swallowed by the four posters,   

The four do not want to realize that they are being misled by the media publsishing BS stories to blame Trump for the delays caused by the prosecutors and why all the cases - stemming from years ago was only charged this year.    The real truth is that if Trump was not the Republican Party candidate this year there would have been no charges laid against him on anything - the policial election issue was the reason for the charges being laid against Trump this year.   In the  cases before the New York and Washington courts were garbage and totally unconstitutional - and the case of New York was so bad even the leftist media had some reservations about the issues raised by the Prosecutors.

What the four do not realize is the danger precedents  set by the fake charges could become the future way by sitting preidents to be used against political opponents - in other words it would take demcoracy down to banana republic dictatorial level.   That is why the majority of American voters think Biden is a more serious threat to American democracy than Trump is.     

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2024, 02:56
#59
19 May 2024, 02:56#59

Draad

Add to your list of price increases the price of eggs that went up by 325% in the USA.  The reason apparently was  that the three firms providing chicken feed in the USA went wrong    Two of the comanies got into trouble by regulations of the Biiden  Regime had to delay production.    The third major company went ahead with production  but the feed provided caused hens to stop laying eggs and it created a major problem as to egg shortages in the USA.    For a while it was more profitable to the Mexican cartels to smuggle eggs into the USA than they made from drug smuggling and human trafficking.

Be it as it may - I saw a photo of what the following cost in the USA.    It stated the price for a big Mac burger imncluding French fries and a small holder of coke at $19.   In SA the price for three items would be approximately $5.    I recently spoke to three young American tourists who stated that the USA is in a bad wasy at present and they used dollars to buy things in SA and found it amaqzingly cheap from a dollar perspective.

One thing of SB always stated wass that the youngr people in the USA support the Democrats - he had some point in that regad as 60% of the younger voters between 18 and 30 voted for Biden in 2020 - while Trump was supported by only 40% of the relevant voter block.   However, since 2020 according to opinion polls  that number is now equal for the two candidates and the main problem is that the Black voters in that category changed to support Trump ahead of Biden  and that accounts for the fact that this year 50% of the younger voters support Trump and 50% support Biden.

I am also aware of the youngster crowds at college football matches shouted "Fuck you Joe"  and that also happened at a motor race and CNN then claimed they shouted "Go for it Brandon" - the name of the Driver who won the race - while they in fact they shouted "Fuck you Joe".

What the four msised out on is that Biden fucked up so badly that the voters in general turned against him and the New York Times wass horrified by a survey they conducted which found that the majority of interviewees wanted a return to the stable conditions they had when Trump was President.   The voters want normalcy - not the BS the Biden administration produced,

   


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PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 May 2024, 09:37
#60
19 May 2024, 09:37#60
So Rooi... You begin your response with... "The usual whataboutism from the Trumpanzees. " And you finish with... "There are only two types of people in this world . . . people like me who see Bozo for what he is and people who are too stupid to see through his bullshit." This is in response to me asking a question related to double standards and whether or not deep state forces within the world's premier democracy have been, and are, attempting to subvert said democracy. You do realise that there is a far wider discussion there? It's rather interesting that you both hate Trump but also don't appear able to think past him. It seems that any discussion relating to politics, for you, starts and ends with an opinion on Trump. I wonder if you're aware that at some point the world will move on from Trump and Biden. And that the question I asked will remain. Today, the deep state appear to be batting for the Dems. What about tomorrow? When another war is needed, will the Dems fall out of their good graces and the Reps suddenly be the golden kids? Up to the end of Bush's presidency, that was the case, then we swung back the other way, and in time it'll swing again. And I just wonder how you'll cope when you can no longer view the world through your Trump lens.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2024, 09:46
#61
19 May 2024, 09:46#61

BB

That cartoon is as false as The Guardian normally is.   The Russian army units just walk over the Russian border into an area which supposed has mines in the border area - there was not any resisteance by Ukraine troops and the area occupied has been at least  a thousand sqaure kilometers they occupied over the 100 kms defense line,    

Kharkhov is under attack from two directions - the first one being from Russian occupied territory inside Ukraine and the other from Russia itself.   There has been 9 towns defended by the Ukraine army that fell to Russia.   

For the Ukraine the  situation is critial.   If hey move troops from the southern areas they would lose the area around Odessa as well.   They are already retreating in that area as well.   So the Ukraine wanted to call up troops above the age of 25 yars of age.   There are two problems they face in that regard - the one is that those age group men are leaving  Ukraine on a daily basis.  and media claims that the flood is coninuing and they wonder why it is happening since the men involved needs special permits to leave Ukraine.    Easty - those permits are granted by corrupt officials in an ultra-corrupt environment..    Once out the men will not return  and there is nothing the Ukraine Government can do about it.   The second issue relates to troop raining before the new soldiers could be thrust into battle.    That will not happen under present conditions - they would be put in uniform - given a gun and sent to the front line where they have little or no chance of survival.   

The new weaponry is arriving - but there has been no operational training and if those weapons are to be used the training period would be problematic so the NATO countries will have to send instructors to train Ukraine troops in using the weaponry.   This represent a problem for the NATO governments and if they sent isntructors into Ukraine it would represent a war situation direcly involved in the Ukraine war.    None of the weak Governments will get Parliamentary approval for such direct involvement in the war.    

he Russian are too clever to attack any NATO members and will concentrate in Ukraine with their USA installed and funded Government in Ukraine.    Biden already sent 2000 troops to Ukraine - but the excuse is they are there to guard and protect the US Embassy.    They have three real functions though  - the first one is to guard and protect Zelenskyy - the seond one to ensure eapon deliveries are reaching  the Ukraine army and the third one is to train Ukraine soldiers far away from the battlefields,    

The US army is weakened by weak leadership and a dolt in the WH .   They will have to withdrew soldiers from South Korea  to send to Europe and that is when the Chinese will attack both South Korea and Taiwan already settled by experts to start between  election day and if Biden is re-elected would start between the election day and Biden's new inauguration in mid-January.    If Trump is elected as Preident they would not dare to attack and they know it.    That is why the Chinnese Government sent tens of thiousads trained soldiers into the USA through the open border policy of Biden.    Nobody knows where these illegal migrants are at present - but the Chinese Government bought out huge areas near to major US army bases and that is where the Chinese migrants probably are already.     Aside from having  to fight the Chinese and Russians the internal attacks by illegal Chinese migtrants in the USA coupled to use of terrorist Muslim fanatics already in the USA will cause havoc in the USA iitself.   The riots at5 USA Universitie are just the start and more direct attacks on USA targets that the FBI fear is coming will take palce.   

The USA is in a horrible position with a traitorous and corrupt President in charge - too stupid to realize what he is involved in or too far i.nto dementi.a to understand that.   .    .     .  .

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BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 May 2024, 20:58
#62
19 May 2024, 20:58#62

800 × 588

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 May 2024, 03:26
#63
20 May 2024, 03:26#63

Yuo ar e be knot intellerjint enuofgh too u$664ndertanned a n ythngui waht I are stupid en2__uoghf too tri adn t ell yuo.

Gosh what an excellent translation.......tx.

Who knows secret agencies could use it in morse code.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 May 2024, 05:25
#64
20 May 2024, 05:25#64

 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 May 2024, 05:26
#65
20 May 2024, 05:26#65

Blob...that cartoon is a horrible truth, but it could have been the other way around too...

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 May 2024, 06:06
#66
20 May 2024, 06:06#66

Blob...that cartoon is a horrible truth, but it could have been the other way around too...

Wadaya mean? How t. f. did/could Ukraine, in anyway, threaten genocide upon Russia ??


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 May 2024, 07:54
#67
20 May 2024, 07:54#67
Haha Biden has to print money now. To have any chance of winning they need jobs to go up and the economy to "look good". It's Fed minutes day today, and I think Powell is gonna be dovish as all hell. He has to. They've brought inflation as low as they can. The problem was that numbers came in hot recently, against a downward trend, which is a massive spanner in the Dem works. They were expecting the inflation trend to continue down, and then to be able to start loosening policy in the run up to the elections. So ja, the money printer will be turned back on and party hats dished out. All of this is to say that you should ALL be buying crypto right now haha
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2024, 08:17
#68
20 May 2024, 08:17#68

Stav

So you're an expert when it comes to what a person who was sexually assaulted should do and also a legal expert to boot? 

Easy advice - report the incident immediately to the Police and provide proof - not wait near to 30 years and then try to make politial capital from it through balckmailing.  That is the only thing  not to do.

It remains a Democratic Party method to make allgations of sexual assaults against opposition  and here are numbers of cases where hat type of BS was used against opposition.    I can mention a number of cases where it happened in the past and where it is happening at present.   it was in one case near to 40 years after the allegation and even the FBI could find any evidence it really happened.  

There is n proof whatsoever that Trump had sex with Stormy and Carroll other than by them and supported by a corrupt Government at present in charge.   There never was any proof of what happened and in the Carroll case Trump was not fined for sexual inecourse - that ws not even an issue involved but that the Washigton court used he been insulted by Trump which caused the ruling - accodig the court judgement Trump's comment on the claims was libellous and that was what Trump was guilty of .    

In any event the cases you mentioned are all under appeal and will b thrown out by the couirts because they cannot be proved as factual.   The Justice system has been destroyed in the USA by the Democrats - that is why the majority of voters feel the present Biden Regime is a bigger threat to Demcoracy than Trump is.

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2024, 08:43
#69
20 May 2024, 08:43#69

Plum

Read the following as well :

https://www.fxstreet.com/news/gold-price-climbs-to-a-record-high-rising-geopolitical-tensions-in-focus-202405200400

I am sorry for Biden - he is spreading  billions around in an effort to buy votes in the election - but instead of the economy for the ordinary people improving it has the exact opposite effect.   Prices are again inceasing due to suplementary problems caused by the Biden Government.

The people know US Government statements are routine lies and they feel it in their pockets and bank accounts.   The Govenment claims inflation is 2,5% - in reality it is nearer to double that amount and is caused by excessive Biden Govenment spending of money on current programs.  An example is that Biden promised that the Government is promoting the economy - but spending money by increasing the number of public servants that is the process at present under way is couner-productive and fruitless Government spending adds no value to he US economy.   Biden is promising tax icreases to the wealthy - but losses by the rich is normally passed on through price increases or goods and services and the general public will in the end suffer a a result.

Wars are part of fruitless expenditure and the Biden Regime is caught in a situation that world isntability has reached alarming levels an one can only wonder when he next war will break out.  

So you are correct - get into cryptic and gold and do not believe the dollar is strong enough to handle further crisis situations in he world.     .               .   .        

 

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 May 2024, 08:47
#70
20 May 2024, 08:47#70

Trump's a slut.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2024, 09:06
#71
20 May 2024, 09:06#71

So is a lot of politicians and that is not an issue here - Trump was a slut - Biden si a crooked bastard.   What count is what they do for their people and Trump helepd them - while Biden destroyed them.    

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
21 May 2024, 08:30
#72
21 May 2024, 08:30#72

"So you're an expert when it comes to what a person who was sexually assaulted should do and also a legal expert to boot?"

Not at all, but reporting the sexual assault within at least 1-5-10-15-20-25 years might have been a reasonably good idea...... not after 26 years... just when it suits your agenda.

Are you now saying that the juries that found Trump guilty were all legal experts who determined that a woman was sexually assaulted by a man over 26 years ago, with absolutely not one iota of evidence....?

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
21 May 2024, 08:43
#73
21 May 2024, 08:43#73

DA was on complaining about how the media posted misleading headlines about Trumps bloodbath comments and here is 2 months later pretty much doing the same thing"

"For someone who complained about Trump's words been taken out of context just a few months back and for someone who appears to be taking a keen interest in this story I find it amazing that you're now doing the same thing here"

I see you keep repeating this....

Post here exactly what I have said here that is misleading or taking things out of context ....


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 May 2024, 12:55
#74
21 May 2024, 12:55#74

Not at all, but reporting the sexual assault within at least 1-5-10-15-20-25 years might have been a reasonably good idea...... not after 26 years... just when it suits your agenda.

Its not uncommon for various reason for people who are victims of sexual assaults not to go public with it for a long time, some never do. Societal pressures, shame, embarrassment, believing they where to blame, repressive memories, fearing the perpetrator or that perpetrator is too powerful and they they won't be believed over them or that people will judge them or even accuse them of having an agenda!

Are you now saying that the juries that found Trump guilty were all legal experts who determined that a woman was sexually assaulted by a man over 26 years ago, with absolutely not one iota of evidence....?

No I did not say that, but what I will say is that I have hard time taking anything you have to say on legal matters seriously when you don't seem to understand the rather basic fact that testimony is a form of evidence.

I see you keep repeating this....

Post here exactly what I have said here that is misleading or taking things out of context ....

You're aware of Ashely Biden's letter to the judge confirming the authenticity of the diary but you omitted the part of the letter where she stated " Repeatedly, I hear others grossly misinterpret my once private writings and lob false accusations that defame my character and those of the people I love"

To give full context to part of the section of the diary that has posted it up on the line. Ashely was writing that section as part of a healing process she was going through after being the victim of a crime in her 20's. As par of this process she wondering about why she thinks of herself as being hyper sexual, believing she was molested when she young but being unable to recall it actually happening. She tries to recall signs that could of pointed to her being molested, such as having sex with her friends at a young age, a families house she did not like going too and showering with her father. She also recalls in another section finding herself turned on in places she believed she shouldn't have been.

At no point in the diary does Ashely accuse Joe Biden of molesting her nor on any occasion has she publicly accused him or filed charges.

If you want to say that Joe showering with her is abit creepy, by all means go ahead. But that's about as much as you can stretch too.

There is also the fact that Ashely Biden seems to be on very good terms with her father, helping him during the 2020 Presidential campaign and calling her father, her best friend among numerous other endorsements, there also seems to be sign of strain or discomfort when they are around each other.

Also your framing of Snoops being forced to change how it rated the story from unproven to true is also hilariously and transparently misleading.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
21 May 2024, 13:23
#75
21 May 2024, 13:23#75

"or that perpetrator is too powerful and they they won't be believed over them or that people will judge them or even accuse them of having an agenda"

LMAO...yeah, ok .... don't report when he is just a businessman ..... rather wait 26 years until he is far far more powerful.....oh and also do it when he is the sitting president of the USA ..... yep, that logic works.

"but what I will say is that I have hard time taking anything you have to say on legal matters seriously when you don't seem to understand the rather basic fact that testimony is a form of evidence"

I get it.... so a girl comes forward and says that she knew you 26 years ago, and that you sexually assaulted her, and her two friends didn't see it happen, but she told them about it at the time.  and without a single shred of evidence at all, that testimony gets you found guilty, and you have to pay this girl R15 million .... and you think that is 100% normal and legit.... and you worry about what I think of the legal system.....what a laugh dude.

"If you want to say that Joe showering with her is abit creepy, by all means go ahead. But that's about as much as you can stretch too"

Just creepy...... is that all.....wow, your standards are extremely low man.

"At no point in the diary does Ashely accuse Joe Biden of molesting her nor on any occasion has she publicly accused him or filed charges"

Where did I say she did .... post it?

"There is also the fact that Ashely Biden seems to be on very good terms with her father, helping him during the 2020 Presidential campaign and calling her father"

A lot of children are towards their abusers.....nothing new here .....but tell me again where I said Biden molested his daughter?

"Also your framing of Snoops being forced to change how it rated the story from unproven to true is also hilariously and transparently misleading"

So stating facts now also doesn't work for you?

Snopes realiz ed that they got it wrong and they changed their view on it..... simple actually.

This is just one of many articles quoting Snopes, as well as detailing what actually went on...... but no .... now I am framing something ..... what a laugh you are.

Snopes

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 May 2024, 14:13
#76
21 May 2024, 14:13#76

LMAO...yeah, ok .... don't report when he is just a businessman ..... rather wait 26 years until he is far far more powerful.....oh and also do it when he is the sitting president of the USA ..... yep, that logic works.

She technically didn't report it (as to the police) but went public with it. It was Trump's response to the claim that lead to the legal responses.  But perhaps part of the reason she felt comfortable going public was by then America and the world could see what sort of man Donald Trump was and because of this people would be more inclined to believe her .

I get it.... so a girl comes forward and says that she knew you 26 years ago, and that you sexually assaulted her, and her two friends didn't see it happen, but she told them about it at the time.  and without a single shred of evidence at all, that testimony gets you found guilty, and you have to pay this girl R15 million .... and you think that is 100% normal and legit.... and you worry about what I think of the legal system.....what a laugh dude.

I get it...so a person comes forward saying they where sexual abused as a child by a parent/relative/priest but because their is no "physical" evidence, the accused (who has it happens has made previous statements publicly that its okay to sexually assault people) can't be found guilty. Testimony from the abused, the abused families, friends and psychiatrist isn't sufficient. Like a conviction like that has never happened before right?

Once again you have said not a shred of evidence was presented despite me correcting you that testimony is a form of evidence. So yes clearly you don't understand a very basic concept of law.

Just creepy...... is that all.....wow, your standards are extremely low man.

I'm not the person pushing tabloid gutter trash. Trash that when pushed into the public media forces a person having to be repeatedly retraumatized as she's forced to relieve past events of her life and her private words which are being twisted to hurt the people she cares about, so please don't talk to me about standards. 

Where did I say she did .... post it?

To Quote you "Why have you not yet mentioned how the current sitting president is also a potential child molester..... by his own daughter's admission?"

A lot of children are towards their abusers.....nothing new here .....but tell me again where I said Biden molested his daughter?

You said Biden's own daughter admitted it.

So stating facts now also doesn't work for you?

This is just one of many articles quoting Snopes, as well as detailing what actually went on...... but no .... now I am framing something ..... what a laugh you are.

Okay let me phrase it this way. I walk into the bar and ask for a drink, only to realise I can't find my wallet, the bartender sees this and says says sorry I can't serve you unless you pay. I then find my wallet in another pocket, then I pay for the drink and the bartender serves me the drink. 

But then I leave the bar and tell all my mates that I "forced" the bartender to give me a drink. That's effectively how you're phrasing what is just how things normally work with fact checking web site. They you know "fact check". 


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
21 May 2024, 15:05
#77
21 May 2024, 15:05#77

"I'm not the person pushing tabloid gutter trash. Trash that when pushed into the public media forces a person having to be repeatedly retraumatized as she's forced to relieve past events of her life and her private words which are being twisted to hurt the people she cares about, so please don't talk to me about standards"

Not tabloid gutter trash at all..... just absolute facts .....and from what I have seen already, you hate facts..... because they destroy your attempt at being correct.

1 - I said Ashley had to admit that the diary was hers in a legal letter to a judge - FACT

2 - I said Snopes had to admit that they got it wrong - FACT

3 - I said Ashley admitted in her diary that she showered with her father - FACT

4 - I said that Biden could possibly be a child molester - FACT

But you.....no.....you think it's just creepy that a father is showering with his young daughter ..... yeah..... just creepy, and you want to talk to me about standards ......what a crock....if that is just creepy to you, I would hate to think what you would consider downright disgusting... fuck me man ..... a man who is VERY well known and well documented to have already smelt and touched far too children inappropriately, was now outed as showering with his young daughter, when they were both younger.... after she admitted to thinking that she was molested by someone......and you only find that creepy. WTF.

"Why have you not yet mentioned how the current sitting president is also a "potential child molester"..... by his own daughter's admission"

Ashley admitted that she thinks she was molested, because she doesn't remember specifics but she does remember trauma....and showering with a father who already at an old age has a very disgusting habit of touching and smelling young girls leads me to believe that he could "possibly" be a child molester....by showering with her at a young age, because she does remember "some" trauma ....but cannot remember who it involved.....so am I not entitled to my own opinion here .....? 

Ja Stav, your usual double standards coming to play...... am I not entitled to an opinion of my own after seeing all the information in front of me....I never once said that he was defintely a child molester.....I believe he could definitely be a possible child molester, especially given his constant tendency to get way too close to young girls and touch them physically and smell them up close .... did I say he is one?.... no ..... did I say he could possibly be one.... damn straight I did, and I still stand by it......stop taking my words out of context....

As for Ashley admitting it, you know I was referring to her admitting that the diary was in fact hers and that she also admitted to showering with her dad..... stop deliberately trying to spin the narrative as you always do.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
21 May 2024, 15:13
#78
21 May 2024, 15:13#78

"Okay let me phrase it this way. I walk into the bar and ask for a drink, only to realise I can't find my wallet, the bartender sees this and says says sorry I can't serve you unless you pay. I then find my wallet in another pocket, then I pay for the drink and the bartender serves me the drink. 

But then I leave the bar and tell all my mates that I "forced" the bartender to give me a drink. That's effectively how you're phrasing what is just how things normally work with fact checking web site. They you know "fact check""

What complete twaddle this is.... .Snopes originally said the story was false after fact checking it.....

They then saw what people were posting online and revisited their fact checking and changed it to true..... they were not asked or requested to change their stance on this, they were forced to change their original verdict on it after originally saying it was false..... really very simple.

Again, stop trying to mix up my words or context to change the narrative.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 May 2024, 16:35
#79
21 May 2024, 16:35#79

Not tabloid gutter trash at all..... just absolute facts .....and from what I have seen already, you hate facts..... because they destroy your attempt at being correct.

Sorry its absolute tabloid gutter trash. Elements of the story may be factual but that doesn't mean they have not presented in a certain way or lacking context to present a narrative nor do the people pushing this story care what kind of effect pushing this story is having on Ashely Biden. 

1 - I said Ashley had to admit that the diary was hers in a legal letter to a judge - FACT

3 - I said Ashley admitted in her diary that she showered with her father - FACT

I didn't say these claims where not factual.

2. 2 - I said Snopes had to admit that they got it wrong - FACT

Wrong. Snopes did not admit to being wrong. They merely changed the status of their fact check on whether content reportedly from Ashely Biden's diary that was published online was genuine from unproven to verified. Absolutely standard operating procedure for a fact checking website.

But here's a fact you seem to be just conveniently ignoring. Ashely Biden had said those people are misrepresenting the content of diary to defame her and the people she cared about. Care to explain that? I'm waiting for you to say that Joe Biden has a gun to her head and she was forced to say that!

But you.....no.....you think it's just creepy that a father is showering with his young daughter ..... yeah..... just creepy, and you want to talk to me about standards ......what a crock....if that is just creepy to you, I would hate to think what you would consider downright disgusting... fuck me man ..... a man who is VERY well known and well documented to have already smelt and touched far too children inappropriately, was now outed as showering with his young daughter, when they were both younger.... after she admitted to thinking that she was molested by someone......and you only find that creepy. WTF.

I wonder if by "well documented" you mean more tabloid gutter trash or edited fake photo's.

Ashley admitted that she thinks she was molested, because she doesn't remember specifics but she does remember trauma....and showering with a father who already at an old age has a very disgusting habit of touching and smelling young girls leads me to believe that he could "possibly" be a child molester....by showering with her at a young age, because she does remember "some" trauma ....but cannot remember who it involved.....so am I not entitled to my own opinion here .....?

Ja Stav, your usual double standards coming to play...... am I not entitled to an opinion of my own after seeing all the information in front of me....I never once said that he was defintely a child molester.....I believe he could definitely be a possible child molester, especially given his constant tendency to get way too close to young girls and touch them physically and smell them up close .... did I say he is one?.... no ..... did I say he could possibly be one.... damn straight I did, and I still stand by it......stop taking my words out of context....

You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but do you not see the problem a media organisation might have in publishing a story that suggests Joe Biden may be a pedo based on nothing but opinion? Hell even Trump didn't want to go anywhere near it.

As for Ashley admitting it, you know I was referring to her admitting that the diary was in fact hers and that she also admitted to showering with her dad..... stop deliberately trying to spin the narrative as you always do.

No spin but to quote you.

 "Why have you not yet mentioned how the current sitting president is also a potential child molester..... by his own daughter's admission?"

Where did Ashely say her father may have been a child molester/ or molested her?

Why did you omit the part of  Ashley letter to the Judge saying where she said the content of what she wrote in her diary was being misrepresented and being used to defame her and the people she loved.

Are you honestly going tell me with a straight face that Ashley wasn't referring to people accusing her father of being a child molester when she said that in the letter? Or are people somehow misrepresenting her diary in another way I'm not aware of?

What complete twaddle this is.... .Snopes originally said the story was false after fact checking it.....

They then saw what people were posting online and revisited their fact checking and changed it to true..... they were not asked or requested to change their stance on this, they were forced to change their original verdict on it after originally saying it was false..... really very simple.

Again, stop trying to mix up my words or context to change the narrative.

Sorry this is complete bollocks. The status of the article on Ashley Biden's diary was unproven not false before April 29th. However it came to their attention is irrelevant but once they had access to it they considered Ashley Biden's letter to the judge verification of the diary's authenticity and thus change the status of their article on it from unproven to true.  

No forcing, just standard practise for a fact checking website. It took me literally 10 seconds to fact check this.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 May 2024, 17:33
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21 May 2024, 17:33#80

Stav

You must be a comedian because the following  made me laugh:-

"But here's a fact you seem to be just conveniently ignoring. Ashely Biden had said those people are misrepresenting the content of diary to defame her and the people she cared about. Care to explain that? I'm waiting for you to say that Joe Biden has a gun to her head and she was forced to say that!"

Then in the case of Trump and Stormy you do not apply the same norm.   Trump claimed that he accepted that the story she came up was a lie -  and in a hearing by the federal court fined her to repay Trumps legal costs in that regard.  When at one stage said he became aware of the $130 000 paid to Stromy was aimed at protecting his family the sheeple on site claimed it was BS.

Add 2 and 2 together and you make a dive for 7 - Trump h as no human feeling s for his family and that is a fact.    In the meantime Stormy swore she will not pay Trump the  $500 000 she was fined by the Court to pay Trump.     

So now we have a case where Trump the inhuman lied and Stormy spoke   the truth.    Then we have a case where the Head bookkeeper of the Trump ordanization claimed they never iinformed Trump of the invoices they paid to Cohen.   Final fact - in court Cohen admitted he stole money by submitting fruadulent claims for legal costs.   Two admitted liars are the man witnsses of the  Justice Deepartment - who aided the Soros DA in conccting a case.   LMAO 

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