First debate an easy win for Harris

LOL Sky News Australia, they make Fox News look like the Karl Marx fan association .  

@ButtPlug,

This is what Perplexity says:

Elon Musk's decision to leave California is primarily driven by his opposition to a new law prohibiting schools from notifying parents if their children change their gender identity. Musk described this law as "the final straw," asserting that it attacks both families and businesses, prompting him to relocate the headquarters of SpaceX and X (formerly Twitter) to Texas.

In his public statements, Musk emphasized that he had previously warned California Governor Gavin Newsom about the consequences of such legislation, predicting it would lead to families and companies leaving the state to protect their children. The law, known as the SAFETY Act, aims to safeguard student privacy by preventing schools from enforcing policies that require the disclosure of a student's chosen name or pronouns to parents without consent.

Additionally, Musk cited rising violence and safety concerns in San Francisco as factors influencing his decision to move X's headquarters to Austin, Texas.

This move follows Musk's earlier relocation of Tesla's headquarters to Texas in 2021, motivated by California's high taxes and stringent business regulations. Overall, Musk's departure reflects a complex interplay of political, social, and economic factors, symbolizing broader tensions between his companies and California's regulatory environment. ----------------------------------------- While Musk lists lots of concerns, it all seems to originate to get lower tax

Hmmmm . . . just so I understand this correctly, you Trumpanzees are saying that Bozo didn't tank and show himself up to be the weak, stupid and incompetent braggart that he is, but it was the naughty moderators who made him look bad?

Is that what you're saying?

I just want to be sure.

Careful now, you don't want to upset our sensitive wee crybaby who seems to be warming up for another melt down. I really couldn't stand another vlemoer and another BS excuse for his absence.

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The facr is that  debates are supposed to discuss polocy issues  and nto personal attacks on candidates  only.   There has been nothing of Harris' s policies discussed because she has none.  Wht se sad in he pst abou issues she support is now shown as misunderstandngs  and she does nt support those statemens s he made in th e past and not as lies she spouted in the past.   

The act is SB is gong hysteric about fact chaecking - wh ile ot si actually not moderated imdepdendently.   Any factchecking by the leftist media  turned out to spout lies and does not represent fact-checking. at all.   Theyare just saying  things are not what they factually are.

Take for instance inflation/   Harris said she h a "plan" but what the "plan" entails is not to be discussed in th e debate,    The Democrats opened the border and Harrs was appointed to deal with the resultant crisis,   But she did nothing to deal with the issue and  not with the problems semming from the situation.   The taxpayaayers must just pay for everthing  and the migrants cost the Government billions a month.paid for by the taxpayers.     

In the emantime she spouted nothing other than BS and "solved the problems leaing to illegal migramts cost the taxpayers.   The whole situation is a propaganda farce and migration is caused by :globa warming and Harris's and Biden's solution was to donate billions to central and southern American states to prevent peopele leaving those sates to go to the USA.   However, that is not an issue - Harris has a "plan" - biut what te plan entails is no xplained. at all.   

Crinme is "dwon" ccording to FBI stats - yet in practice it is nt down.   Cooked up stats are provided.   So manslaughter is no an issue as long as it is not peopele defedinm emselves against crimianl attacks threatening their lives,   I they try and defend themselvess against criminals attacking them it is regarded as murder,    The Police are to eb eliminated and Policing must be replaced by scientists is supposed to solve the high murder raes in ine cities,  S crime is not out of control and is just an allusion according to the FBI stats.    Spo the murder of inocemt peopeele are not reported in te leftist media and when it happenedo be illega mignt commtting crimes i is nt reprted in he emdia and did not happen.    Political and bureaucratic corruption does not happen.   

The influx\yx of terrorists into the USA is uncontrolled and neve attended to.    The head of te FBI admitte in House evidnce there sis a problem nd they ahav e arreted some terrorists - but they are not to be dealt with at all.    Tiots in US ctes like theHamas ones over he last six months is not a problem - so the USA are imporing terrorists into the country and claim it does not happen.    When rioters shouted "Death to Israel" and "death to the  USA " it s just fie and no charge are being laid against rioters,   Whe ey birn he USA flags and ordered US embassies to hoisth gay flag as well as the US flags it represents a message to those countries.to be tleant to sexxual orientation - but it antogonize the situation and makes it worse,

The USA are in a worse state of maladministration ever  - but te elftist media does not report it and all  they do   is disinfrmation about claims that the rate of inflaion under Trump ws high and Bden inherited a situation where illegal migraton was rife and so was inflaion.   he emdi support those lies and said Biden inherited inflation and illegal migration from Trump - whic are outright ie and not "fact-checked".    

When it comes to foreign affairs the world became unstable under the Biden Adminstration and the list of cuntries leaving their alliances with the USA are joining bdies like BRICS are growng and soon the attacks on Democracy worldwide is growing beause of weak and por adminsitartion of foreign relaionships and the answer is to prmte ar and not trya d fid peaceful settements of problems.    Undr Bden two new wars erued in Ukraine and the ME and a hrird is threaening in he Far East and that thrd one will start sooner rathge tan later.    The US army has deteriorated snd is deteriorating constantly - so he new idea is to use illegal migrants nxd recruit them nto the armed forces nnd that will solve manpower problems. the USA  army caused by restrictions pu by the Biden Administartion on army reecruitment.   Tha includes a cerrain percengaqe of recruits must be wome, a certain percentage msut come from inner cties and another perentage from sexial orientation.    Instead teroritsentering the USA as llegal migrants can be armed and used to terrorise the USA citizens from within.

The Biden nd Harris  adminsitration has turned tehe USA to be weak and unable to do anyhing other than to flee from Afghanistan in chaos and is being attacked by terrorist organzations  in he ME adn Biden claimed unde his administaration no US soldiers were killed while he ws President - an urght lie - but not "fact-checked" by the media.    

In Europe the far-left Governemnts are incresingly lsing power in counries and the present media aims is to  prevent i from happening in the USA.

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Why the blue blazes did you post that Stewart rubbish Draad? 

What is the story behind the claim that Harris had an earphone in her right ear during the debate.

Speculation is that the earing device hiden under her hair on the right side of her head was indeed an device manufactured in the USA and covered by her hair which appeared to be very firmly set to cover the earpiece.

A company in the USA makes such a device and builds it into earings etc for the hard to hear.

But not the stupid.

Fact or not?

No need for the TDS gang to respond to this post but if this is in fact true it is going to be a major factor in this biased ABC debate.

Fact or not?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/09/11/kamala-harris-earrings-debate-fact-check/75174487007/

Anything sensible that happened durin the Trunp era was a result of Mike Pence and the other sensible conservatives that were part of the government.

Anyone who accuses hospitals of murdering kids (abortion after birth) and claims that people are routlinely eating pets should not be in an election.

Trump has 2 cards:

1. Illegal immigration
2. Declining middle class (dissatification with the establishment), perhaps because of Big corporations shipping jobs overseas. However Trump is part of the cause of the problem - not the solution). 

Trump and his team handled the economy brilliantly through COVID. Blown up by Biden flooding the economy with handouts just as the Fed was raising rates to curb inflation. Anybody who seriously thinks Harris is more qualified to handle complex Presidential issues is a simpleton.

She may win because Trump has provided a legacy of easy issues to exploit. But elect Harris and her likely left leaning cabinet and we are in for Jimmy Carter on steroids.

Former President Donald Trump wants to spend trillions of dollars on tax cuts. His plan to pay for that is alarming some mainstream economists.

Trump proposed sweeping tariffs on all $3 trillion worth of imports into the United States, including a 60% tariff on imports from China and a 10% across-the-board tariff on imports from other nations.

Recently, Trump doubled down on the threat, saying he is considering tariffs of up to 20% on most imports in a bid to protect working-class jobs and punish what he labels unfair trading practices.

In theory, the unprecedented tariff hikes could raise trillions of dollars, funds that would help cover the cost of the tax cuts. However, many economists warn that those tariffs could backfire – badly – by raising prices on American families, killing jobs and setting off a global trade war.

It’s part of the reason Goldman Sachs in an analyst note this week said Trump’s economic policies – particularly on trade – would cause America’s economy to shrink. By contrast, Vice President Kamala Harris’ economic policy proposals would grow the economy, Goldman Sachs predicted.

Goldman and other experts fear Trump’s tough proposed trade tactics could worsen the affordability crisis in America.

“It’s one of those magical economic proposals that can actually cause inflation and put you into a recession – at the same time,” David Kelly, chief global strategist at JPMorgan Asset Management, told CNN in a phone interview.

Kelly warned that tariffs are a “perfect stagflation machine,” threaten to scramble supply chains and invite a punishing response from trading partners.

‘Terrible economic policy’

Trump plans to detail his economic vision for America during a major address on Thursday at the New York Economic Club.

The speech comes as a new CNN poll finds that economic issues remain the biggest concern for voters, with an average of 39% of likely voters across six battleground states choosing it as their top issue.

Trump’s trade proposals could be equivalent to a $3 trillion tax hike, warned Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the center-right think tank the American Action Forum.

“It’s enormously protectionist and terrible economic policy,” said Holtz-Eakin, who served as an economic adviser to former President George H.W. Bush and an adviser to the 2008 presidential campaign of GOP Sen. John McCain.

It’s hard to know how much of Trump’s tariff talk is a negotiating tactic and how much he intends to enact if he were reelected, noted Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics.

“But even just a step in that direction is problematic. It’s a very bad idea. If there is anything that most economists can agree on, it’s that tariffs are bad,” Zandi said.

Trump campaign national press secretary Karoline Leavitt disputed the economists’ assessments in a statement to CNN.

“So-called economists and experts doubted President Trump’s economic plans in his first term. They were proven wrong then and they’ll be proven wrong again… President Trump successfully imposed tariffs on China in his first term AND cut taxes for hardworking Americans here at home – and he will do it again in his second term,” Leavitt said in the statement. “President Trump’s plan will result in millions of jobs and hundreds of billions of dollars returning home from China to America.”

Harris’ campaign accused Trump of lying to Americans about his policies.

“Donald Trump is denying this broad, bipartisan consensus, ‘hoping that most economic analyses of his ideas are dead wrong’ and blatantly lying to the American people about the severe costs and consequences of his economic plans,” Brian Nelson, a top economic adviser to Harris, wrote in a memo obtained by CNN.

Tariffs could cost families $2,600 a year

Trump has championed tariffs as a way to help working-class Americans by protecting workers from unfair trade practices and as a negotiating tactic to reach more favorable trade agreements. However, some experts fear they will do the opposite.

Trump’s call for a 20% across-the-board tariff combined with a 60% tariff on China would cost the typical middle-income household more than $2,600 a year, according to updated estimates published last month by the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

That’s up from the researchers’ previous estimate of $1,700, which was based on a 10% tariff.

Importantly, these estimates do not factor in the impact from potential foreign retaliation, slower economic growth or lost competitiveness that a global trade war could cause. The actual impact could be far higher.

And the pain would not be evenly divided among families, the Peterson Institute found: Although households in all five income quintiles would lose money from the Trump tariffs and tax cuts, the lowest earners would be hurt the most.

“The losses are greatest for those at the bottom of the income distribution,” researchers Kimberly Clausing and Mary Lovely wrote in an August update. “The top 1 percent would experience net gains in income because losses from tariffs are more than offset by Trump’s proposed tax cuts.”

Trump-imposed tariffs on imported solar panels, steel and aluminum and Chinese-made goods have cost Americans more than $230 billion, according to US Customs and Border Protection.

And US states more exposed to US tariffs on imports from China experienced “lower increases or even decreases” in employment and output between 2018 and 2019, according to a study from St. Louis Federal Reserve economists.

But tariffs on Chinese goods have become popular on both sides of the aisle. Notably, the Biden-Harris administration has kept in place most of the Trump-era tariffs. In May, President Joe Biden announced increased tariffs on $18 billion worth of Chinese goods, including electric vehicles, solar cells and computer chips.

Harris has not detailed specific plans for ramping up or dialing back tariffs.

The cost of the Trump tax cuts

Trump has called for extending his signature 2017 tax cuts, which expire next year if no action is taken by Congress.

Trump has argued that extending the tax cuts will boost the economy, create jobs and help families. However, researchers from Princeton University, the University of Chicago, Harvard University and the US Treasury Department earlier this year found that while the 2017 tax law boosted investment in the American economy and helped to modestly increase wages, the tax cuts did not pay for themselves.

In any case, extending the tax cuts would be an expensive proposal.

Extending the individual income tax provisions from the 2017 tax law alone would cost $3.4 trillion over a decade, according to estimates from the nonpartisan Penn Wharton Model. By contrast, Harris’ economic plans would cost between $1.2 trillion and $1.4 trillion over a decade, as of Penn Wharton’s latest model, which did not account for policy proposals Harris made this week.

Trump has suggested cutting the corporate tax rate again, dropping it from 21% to 20% or even 15%. The Penn Wharton model estimates a cut to 15% and extending the business tax provisions of the 2017 law would pile on another $1.2 trillion in costs.

Beyond the tax cut extension, Trump has also proposed eliminating taxes on Social Security benefits. That would cost $1.2 trillion over a decade, according to Penn Wharton.

The Trump campaign has not detailed significant spending cuts or tax hikes to offset these tax cuts.

The Penn Wharton model does not incorporate the revenue benefits from the potential tariff hikes, noting that key implementation details are “missing” and cautioning that the consequences of a new trade war could be costly.

“While new import taxes on tariffs could raise several trillion dollars in new revenue over the next decade, they could also lead to revenue losses due to potential retaliatory actions from other governments and other economic dynamics,” the report said.

CNN’s Katie Lobosco contributed reporting.

Which is what they said about tariffs in his first term…none of it happened,

Jut a question of the above  true why did 72^ of he voters indicate that Biden;s economin pocty was toal BS -ad was helped alonmg by Mugabe Harris,  And why is it that 62% of the voters believe he was a failed Preisent and his VP was even worse.   

Now suddenly the media s praisng Harris enlesslyand covered up te fact she is invompetent as well.   The propaganda stream is endless and normallymade up of BS and lies.   Simple answer to an allegation that according to so-called Stats te USA is producing mioe oil in 2023 than in 2019 - if so why did the USA not import oil in 2019 and now have to import oil?

Any Stats provided by the Biden Administration are dreamed up by the Democrats and their supportive bureaucarcy to promote the Biden presidency and has no bearing on what the actual situation is.      

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y5K6WkYEfLo

Most of the Fortune 500 US corporations prefer Harris.

If true then that's a WOW and then some!

"All Trump offers them is low tax, but if he destroys America in the process it is worse than paying a bit more tax"

What utter horse sh!+...Trump has already been president for 4 years and EVERYTHING was cheaper then...the fcn imbeciles running the show now are the one's destroying America...and that phony, weak arsed actor Kamala is 100% part and parcel of the sh!t show ...another 4 years of this nonsense will destroy millions of people's retirement...some are just too stupid to see what's right in front of them.

Draad, the US there has been extensive research that shows most of Trump's most loyal supporters are uneducated people. Some people are just voting for him because he is the option on the conservative ticket. 

When DeSantis was running in the primary against Trump, the educated conservatives all preferred DeSantis.

It is always the same with Trump, the dumber someone is - the more likely they will vote for Trump. These are not proper conservatives. 

Inflation is a multifaceted problem that has impacted countries all around the world.
Covid bailouts and Putin have no doubt contributed to this problem.

If Trump had won a 2nd term in 2020, inflation would still be a problem.

The only way you simpletons will understand what a disaster Trump is, will be if he wins in 2024. 

I read BS on the site - but the following comments take the cake as it is total BS :-

"Inflation is a multifaceted problem that has impacted countries all around the world.

The percentage of college graduates has gone up from 19% to 36% from 1990 to the present. Republican voters are older more mature people. Logically therefore, more Dems would be graduates. Whether that means they are smarter, or just younger and less experienced is debatable.

The percentage of college graduates has gone up from 19% to 36% from 1990 to the present. Republican voters are older more mature people. Logically therefore, more Dems would be graduates. Whether that means they are smarter, or just younger and less experienced is debatable.

Where the Dems do have a clear lead, possibly  because of the Jewish community, is in post graduate education. But again, I think this doesn’t necessarily correlate with wisdom. 

There seems to have been a lot more going on behind the scenes in that first debate, than most people realised..... and all of it was designed to make Harris look far better than she actually was.

You never know what is true these days, from both sides.... so let's see if what they are saying is true...... and if the evidence will stand up......but so far, it is getting very interesting, especially now that an affidavit has been provided regarding the ABC whistleblower, after a NDA was signed.

I'll give you a hint if Marjorie Taylor Greene is making a claim, you know its false. 

These days you just never know..... it is crazy how many lies or misinformation is spewed out from both sides....

Just crazy ...

I must say though..... I have never seen such desperation from one political party, to want to stop someone from getting into the White House, quite like this...... I haven't .....in fact not even close to what I see every day these days ...

And I am not knocking the Democrats at all, I think they should obviously do whatever they can to give their candidate the best possible chance to get into the White House..... but something else is up here...

I genuinely do believe that there is more at play here...... not sure what, but somethings seems horribly off with this whole process..... the desperate measures taken before and also now just seem to mask some underlying issue.

The sheer potential terror that some of these social media posts like to portray, from the likes of Michelle and Barack Obama and others are also quite telling

It just leaves me with a ugly feeling that a lot of people are extremely worried about what Donald Trump might find out, if he is the leader of the free world again.

I really wouldn't mind at all, if I was completely wrong with this, but everything just seems "Off"

There is a view that the Obamas and Pelosi never wanted Harris, but were planning for a run off at the convention….the story goes that they lost control of the process, and the wave of support for Harris clinched the deal. That makes some sense because Obama was obviously slow to come out in support of Harris.

I don't think that's quite right. I also heard the speculation at the time that Obama favoured a run off between candidates rather than Kamila picking up the nomination by default after Biden withdrew but it wasn't necessarily to do with Obama favouring another candidate over Kamila but the optics of having the democratic parties presidential nominee decided by party leaders as opposed to a vote by the party membership which is normally how the presidentially nominee is picked, i.e. the process wouldn't look democratic.

This whistleblower story seems to be gaining some traction, expecially since the specific information regarding the debate demands were apparently provided, signed, and submitted before the debate even took place.

Also the fact that ABC and the two moderators are absolutely dead quiet about it.

Just imagine the backlash for Harris and ABC..... if this turns out to be true

Obama and Pelosi walked a fine line between their support of Harris or splitting the party. They ended up doing the right thing. 

Stav

Marjory Taylor Greene has been right in every case where she showed up the perfomnce records of the Democrats and how they bugger up things totally - the media and the Democats hate her for doing that.    

For the Democrats - and especially the many crooks in the Party - lies are the norm and they hate truths.   My own beleive is the media are spreading sht about the brain-deficient Harris and  Walz.   Theya re the enw puppets the conrollers of the DP wants to use in future.   That si why thy never can anser questions and have nothing to offer bar laughing like a giggler when they cannt amswer anythng honestly.   

The Democrats are contrled by their main funders and Harris and Walz have bad records - so thos must be hidden in the media an thewhole operation is to prevent Trump from winning and clearing up he ems the Demcorats made turnng the coury ito a banana replublic dictatorship.

Personally I tink the vters are sick and tired of the Democrats and unless they can get the new illegal migrants to vote withut proof of being US citizens - the Party is doomed because they are gong  to go te same route a the Greens and Socialists in ermany are going.

Wih weak leadesip in Washington the world order has been destabilized and wars starte where negotations fom a position of strength would not have happened.    Another presidenial term by Harris would virtually destroy the USA and democracy in the world anyway.

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This whistleblower story seems to be gaining some traction, expecially since the specific information regarding the debate demands were apparently provided, signed, and submitted before the debate even took place.

Also the fact that ABC and the two moderators are absolutely dead quiet about it.

Not really, if you google search ABC whistle blower you don't get much in the way of the mainstream media covering it. 

Right now all there is a couple of screenshots posted on an account of Trump supporter who posts annoymously. We have no verification on whether the document is genuine.

I have seen some claims that the lack of a notary stamp on the document is a bit of a red flag that it may not be genuine.

ABC have come out and denied the claims.

"Not really, if you google search ABC whistleblower you don't get much in the way of the mainstream media covering it"

Yep, I have noticed this for a while now, hence why I prefer other media outlets for my information

I also saw this a few days ago, and I agree with this assessment, although I still believe there might be a story here

"ABC have come out and denied the claims."

Cool, let's see how this develops

Yep, I have noticed this for a while now, hence why I prefer other media outlets for my information

Fair enough if that's your preference but if the mainstream media is not covering it, its not going get much traction .

MTG with egg on her face as to the claim that the person died in a car crash (which she was happy to accept) are false Typical conspiracy nutfuckers swallow any old load of shit if it suits their narrative and fuck the facts.

When will people just take a fuckin step back and see what develops before showing their stupidity.

"Fair enough if that's your preference but if the mainstream media is not covering it, its not going get much traction"

Yep, but some of the mainstream media deliberately won't cover certain stories if it goes against something or someone they support.

"When will people just take a fuckin step back and see what develops before showing their stupidity"

It sometimes takes months or even years for some information or the truth, to come out, so I see no issue at all with discussing topics or issues like this...... why wait.... nobody on here stated anything as fact.

Discussing them and sharing various opinions, are very different to actually believing them ...

I still believe that there might be a possible story regarding what happened with the ABC hosted debate..... and if I'm wrong, so be it, I will admit I got it wrong....