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Four More Years.

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AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
01 Jul 2024, 16:48
#1
01 Jul 2024, 16:48#1

Well what's NEXT on the Demorats AG's/Biden list of Trump  political motivated charges.


Another political case bites the dust.


Best hurry folks time is running out..................


FOUR MORE YEARS.


Got to hand it to President Trump his legal team is way ahead of the Demorat AG and his so called legal squad also known as the henchmen.


Trust that when the dust settles that President Trump goes after the Demorats and Biden criminals for costs with all the "manufactured" criminal charges he has had to pay for.


Really going to have a 'Double shot" of JW tonight and celebrate true justic at last.


Cheers you Trump hates.


RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Jul 2024, 17:09
#2
01 Jul 2024, 17:09#2

I don't think there was any poster who got more egg all over his stupid face than fArt in the lead up to the 2020 election after all his screaming about "4 more years" . . . only for Bozo to lose to the weakest candidate of all time and for fArt to disappear under a mountain of egg.

To see this same egg-faced fool shrieking "4 more years" again is just hilarious!

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
01 Jul 2024, 17:12
#3
01 Jul 2024, 17:12#3

If Trump wins, Democracy in the US will end.
Trump tried to overthrow the lawful turn over of power with bogus election claims. 
This next time he will be successful.

Then Don Jr will take over the family business (the US economy). 


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jul 2024, 17:14
#4
01 Jul 2024, 17:14#4

Nonsense! 

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
01 Jul 2024, 17:17
#5
01 Jul 2024, 17:17#5

Nonsense that he tried to overturn the last election, or that he will try it again?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Jul 2024, 17:25
#6
01 Jul 2024, 17:25#6

And the House, the Senate, the Justice Department, the FBI, state courts and the media are going to allow that to happen?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jul 2024, 17:26
#7
01 Jul 2024, 17:26#7

Rooinek

Just a bit of advice   - the job approval rating is way down in the 36 to 41 range with most differnces being 15% .   In other words Biden was a shit President and his performances in public is so bad that he is losing  suipport by the day.

He ran on the basis that he would unite the US public after years it turned into hatred by the Democrats of any opposition to them.   Biden did the exact opposite - he bcame a bigger symbol of division by calling all opponents to his disastrous regime "White Domestic Terrorists" and using the FBI - as proven by the FIS  Court - to spy illegally on opponents.   Aside from that he got the Justice Department to lay fake charges against opponents and that represented  undermining of the US Constitution  and also undermining of human rights in the USA.

The charges against Trump was all concocted by the WH legal team helped along  by the Justice Department and in higher courts the rulings are going against the Biden attemtpted banana republic regime.

So tell us again - what law did Trump break for which he was found guilty in the New York case?   Remember th ough hat payment of hush money is not a crime in the US A and their is nio law broken in that regard,  

So tell us please what law Trump broke - so we can LOAO. 

  

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jul 2024, 17:28
#8
01 Jul 2024, 17:28#8

SB

Not a single losing  candidate since 2000 - bar in 2008 to 2012 did nott ry th e same.  Clintn definitely committed a crime after the 2016 - which made Trump's issue a real farce/     

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
01 Jul 2024, 18:04
#9
01 Jul 2024, 18:04#9

Shame same old story over and over.

A walking mummy in the WH at present who cannot work more than 6 hrs a day/ perhaps 4 days a week and is unable to climb the stairs of AF 1 so they use the flight crew stairs to load the "Old Fart".

What happened to all the "lock him up charges" that are reported to "LOCK up the Orange man" you yellow bellies?

You lefty lunies are now sinking in you own BS.

FOUR MORE YEARS coming with a proud american who loves his country in charge and making the country GREAT AGAIN.

Love it.

Cheers.



AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
01 Jul 2024, 18:11
#10
01 Jul 2024, 18:11#10

No egg Soweto Kid the "Dead voters" and double and triple counting of ballots for Biden deprived the true election result.

You know it but your TDS won't allow you to admit that President Trump actually won.

Go have another Juba with your neighbour.


SH
sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
01 Jul 2024, 19:10
#11
01 Jul 2024, 19:10#11

@Mozart, elected leaders in other countries have been able to appoint themselves for life by stacking the various branches of government with loyalists (including the 4th estate - the media).

This has never happened before in the US - but that is because it is the first time that one of the two main parties realises it may become impossible for them to win a Democratic election.

People under the age of 50 are further left than ever before- especially in cities where most of the population is. A vote for under 50s in the UK and US would be about 65-70% left-wing - or centre that is just not going to vote for the politicians that are conservative.

Conservatism will always exist, but what that is will change.
The current conservative politicians from pre-2000 are not going to win elections.

They have just become bribed lobbyists masquerading as politicians.
A new breed of conservativism is needed. One that is low tax for everyone, not just the richest 10%- and dumping tax on everyone else.

The House- Probably will not have the power to stop Trump

The Senate - The one ring answers to Trump alone, it has no other master. Trump has already gotten rid of the better conservatives such as Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, Cheney,

The Supreme Court -  is already stacked with Trump Loyalists and religious whackjobs.

The Justice Department - Trump can appoint a loyalist - like he almost did before Jan 6th to replace the replacement of Barr 


The FBI - a Trump lackey to do his bidding will be appointed.


State courts - This would be Trump's strongest challenge


The media are going to allow that to happen? - Trump has already said he will close down some media organisations like CNN and MSBNC

If Trump wins he is not going to have the sensible conservatives holding him back. This time it will be nutcases like Steve Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and Marjorie Taylor Green. The type of people who should not be anywhere near governing - regardless of what their ideology is.


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
01 Jul 2024, 19:22
#12
01 Jul 2024, 19:22#12

And the House, the Senate, the Justice Department, the FBI, state courts and the media are going to allow that to happen?

Why even take the risk.

He could have the House, the Senate and favourable Supreme court on his side and if the courts are on his side it really doesn't matter what the Justice Department the FBI or the media want.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Jul 2024, 20:54
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01 Jul 2024, 20:54#13
There is a genuine belief in Republican circles that the election was tampered with, if not stolen. Trump had every right to challenge results. What he never should have done was encourage protests. It was a legal/administrative question, not one that should have been influenced by protests. Legal procedures existed.
I didn't believe anything would change, but some of the voting procedures, eg the absentee voting, have become controversial. There should be no controversy.
And I forgot to mention the military …..they swear an oath the United States which comes before their oath to the President.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jul 2024, 22:07
#14
01 Jul 2024, 22:07#14

SB\

You are still dreaming  about younger people becomi.ng  leftwing  dummies like you nare.   In the elections in th e EU countries and the case is in the USA at present according to opinion polls it is the younger people that turned against the establishment and the BS they face as a result of fake leftwing  policies.   

That is why the Stalinist indoctrination in the USA schools an colleges the Demcorats tried to enforce in State schools - have left the situation that the education stadards has dropped so badly as one Black pastor called so clearly "when they complete their shooling they cannot read".   That is why the younger Blacks and Hispanis left the plantation mentality of the Democrats and despite their parents loyalty to the Democrats openly said they are going  to vte for Trump.   

So the younger generation now favor the Republcians  Party,   Theys ee themselves as hving no future and they misse the time when Trump was Pesident.    Even at Colleges there is a rebellion against the socialist and communist teaching and the Hamas Riots  are starting to be rejected and the riots at colleges  funded by George Soros leads to further rejection of the far left establishment.    

So the tide is turning against  the Ultrs-Left and against the Democrats - as a Professor I know well told me tat all students are leftists - but by the time they are 30 years old th ey have learned that the things they were told at Unicersity is BS  and just make them poorer when they start working.   

So your belief as to ultra-left younger people is not what is ha ppening in real life.  When people start work and found they cannot afford even basic needs they quickly learn that in the real world the leftist BS hss no foundation.  .  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jul 2024, 22:19
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01 Jul 2024, 22:19#15

S tav

Sorry - but their is no ru, ling  the S uprfeme Court made that is not inits entirety based on the US Constitution.    Th e BS you were told about Trump on the issue of January 6 also abckfired in Court since it was not absed on fact but propaganda..

The present situation is that in an opinion poll the majority of voters beleive that Biden is a bigger threat to Demcoacy than Trump is/   When Trump was President he was never guilty of acting  uncosntitutionally - Biden broke all basic principles of the Constitution reg ularly and th e courts reaced on that basis ag ainst th e resent banana republic trend in the D emocratic Party is dangerous and unprecedented.   

You have just described what is th e real situation is in the USA.   The Justice Department aand FBI has abused the cosntitutional principles on a continuous basis and Biden wanted to pack the Supreme Court to implement exactly what you said could happen.    So you  re worried about what could happen - when it is already ahppening  under the Democrats with a Zombie as President who does not kknow what is ahppening and allk things he has to sign is signed on instruction.   

That is why a vast majority of the voters in opinion polls said Biden's maladninistration was rekjected by a large majority of people.   Have a look at he following website:-

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/   

Open Approval to get the real feelings of the epeople at their Zombie President.

You can also look at Favourability findings as well as populartity of Biden .   That is largely based on the conduct of the Demcoratic Party establishmet and Biden in particular,    Will the FBI and CIA accept the election outcome or would they repeat what did in 2016 and start another HOAX  - which could involve violence on their part.                 


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SH
sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
01 Jul 2024, 23:58
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01 Jul 2024, 23:58#16

Which Republican circles was this... Sidney Powell, Michael Flym, Marjorie Taylor Green and Guiliani and Beeno1?

William Barr (DOJ) and the head of cyber security said the election was secure. Nothing that impacted the outcome of the election. These were appointees by Trump himself.

More than 40 judges dismissed cases as frivolous nonsense- even judges appointed by Trump.
Trump himself has encouraged his supporters to use mail-in ballots in the next election, and he himself voted by mail in the 2020 election.

There was no controversy in the outcome, other than the losing president challenging the results- even to this day. 

It has totally undermined Democracy in America. It was the most unpresidential act in a Democratic society. 

Worzel Gummidge could beat Biden, and Trump is a contender. Someone who should be in jail ages ago for trying to overturn the election


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2024, 08:54
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02 Jul 2024, 08:54#17

S B

S top beleiving the BS spreading by the media and the fact si the majoruiity of voters 62% in opinion polls in fact believed that there were voter fraud oin the 2020 election - but 18% of those voters was not convinced it was widespread enough to change the final outcome of the election.   

There wer no 40 judges who ruled against the objection to the case - there were only 23 cases the Repblicans lodged objections to breaches of laws were broken by the Demcorats and of those 14 ruled that he States should apply their election laws - but the States concerned decided to ignore their own election laws and used the COVID pandemci as a reason for non-compliance - so they ignored the court rulings.    So stop spreadig  the BS on the issue.

Then the myth  that voters younger than 50 votes for the Democrats and become brainless idiots like you believing in leftist policies are also not true.   In recent opinion poles the Democrats ws horrified to find that in the opinion polls that the majority of voters between ages 18 and 35 voters in the age group 18 to 35 are going to vote  for  the Republicans.   So your delusion that people vote for leftist BS is nt working out.   What ws hrrying the Democrats is that the older Blacks and Hispanics stil vote for the Democrats - but their children are turning way from the idelogy of the older voters who still vote Democrat.- and the youner voters rebel a ainst the leftist BS.

Incidentally the recent EU elections showed the same in the EU election and that is what killed the ultra-leftists you supported.    So all your BS is slowly trurning againt the opporession of people by the leftist polticians and bureaucrats.   The initial results i France showed the same tendency and the voters are going in the send round to vote the RN into power.   Even teh centrist voters are not going to vote for the leftists and especially not the Communist controlled alliance being the main opposition to the RN party of  Le Penne.   You obviously support Communist dictaotrships - so you are not even facing reality.

In the USA in opion polls 55% of the voters siad Biden is a reater threat to Democracy than Trump is.   so all the scaremongering does noi work anymore.         .    .. 

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Jul 2024, 11:23
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02 Jul 2024, 11:23#18

There is a genuine belief in Republican circles that the election was tampered with, if not stolen. 

Regardless if the belief was genuine or not, there was simply no evidence to back up that belief.

The belief was based on lies, lies pushed by Trump and right wing media organisations who have spent years fear mongering about the left and pushing conspiracies.

I didn't believe anything would change, but some of the voting procedures, eg the absentee voting, have become controversial. There should be no controversy.

Again its right wing media pushing the narrative that voter fraud is a major issue when they have no evidence to back up that claim. Simply repeating a lie often enough doesn't make it the truth. Really its simply about voter suppression.

And I forgot to mention the military …..they swear an oath the United States which comes before their oath to the President.

I think your missing the point. Trump doesn't necessarily need them. I'm not saying Trump is going to order the US military to stage a coup or anything like that. But those institution's you view as a check on the power of the President are going to become under increasing strain and may gradually be eroded.



ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Jul 2024, 11:23
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02 Jul 2024, 11:23#19



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jul 2024, 12:35
#20
02 Jul 2024, 12:35#20

"But those institution's you view as a check on the power of the President are going to become under increasing strain and may gradually be eroded."

Why do you think so?...SCOTUS might be leaning conservative,  but that doesn't mean they are pro Trump...they are still bound by the constitution...the House and Senate are very evenly balanced,  there is no way any president will get away with a serious abuse of power.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Jul 2024, 13:19
#21
02 Jul 2024, 13:19#21

SCOTUS might be leaning conservative

It's not just leaning, the conservatives have got a 2:1 bias in their favour. 

As I said before, their should be no such thing a political appointed Supreme Court Judge, the process should be completely apolitical and their should be fixed term limits. 

 but that doesn't mean they are pro Trump

The ruling yesterday certainly favoured Trump. 

the House and Senate are very evenly balanced, 

If the Republicans where to win both even with small majorities we have already clearly seen how even moderate Republican's will back Trump to the hilt.

there is no way any president will get away with a serious abuse of power.

It's still mind boggling to me that Tump's political career wasn't finished after January 6th. The fact that he's faced no consequences for it and is free to run for the office of the Presidency is a damning indictment of both the American political and justice systems .

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
02 Jul 2024, 15:51
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02 Jul 2024, 15:51#22

Oh stop bitching.

Nothing President Trump does meets your low standard of justice but you are very excited when he is found guilty by a Demorat selected jury with a bias Judge on a bogus charge instigated and supported by the Biden WH, the AG  and fumbling and obstructive FBI.

Get a life you YB .

You yellow bellies are quick to complain when verdicts do not support your TDS medical issues irrespective of the corruption and bias in the legal circles headed by Demorat operatives with assistance from Biden WH staffers.

Wake up and get real.

FOUR MORE YEARS coming your way with the Orange Man.





CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2024, 16:20
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02 Jul 2024, 16:20#23

SB

The  Supreme Court is not leaning  to the right is in fact BS .   The decisions of the court is based on the  US Constitutional principles  and that makes the leftwing  banana republic party and their supportive media very unhappy.   The Court realize the danger of the unconstitutional practices of the present regime and it is not only the Supreme Court - but also the Federal Courts that is becoming  criticical of the practices of th e Zombie President - the question remains who really is ruining  the USA  Biden as a front.

The House and Senate will not be balanced in future.   The Demcorats are in deep shit and the House and Senate members will have to explain to the voters why they supported things like the open border policy and of the criminals ruling  the roost in Cities govered by the Democrats.\- as well as the inflation driving ordinary people deeper into poverty.   

The reasons why Republicans are supporting Trump is because they realize what the Zombie President is up to - or at least his unelected handlers and puppetmasters.  The story of Janaury 6 has been exposed as propaganda BS  used by the Democrats. You are advised to read the Houe report on the issue.    Trump advised people at the meeting that he cannot stop people from going into Washington to protest against voter fraud, but he told them clearly not to break any law and listen to and follow the instructions of the Police - and wsnt on to tell them not to do what the Democrats did months before when they  organized and funded rioters who went overboard and murdered 46 innocent people (incluive of 13 police oifficers), seriosuly wounding  over a 1200 police officers by using guns and Molotov coacktails provided to the rioters on an organixzed basis and caused through looting and arson causing over $5 billion in damages in inner cities,     He also days before the riots offered Nancy Pelosi National Guards troops to guard the Capitol and she refused the offer.   All that is on record and ignored by the  Demcorats and the media.   Unlike Democratic Party organized and funded by the Demmocrats the protestors were unarmed and the so-called insurrection story is total BS concocted by the Democrats and the media.

There was never an attempted insurrection - but you obviously are free to believe the Guardian stories not based  on any facts.   A fter determined efforts to get details of the 5 policemen the Democrats were killed by the emdia the eforts of teh House was unsuccessful and when in evidence under oath could not provide any names.

You obviously should check the facts first and especially whether there are written proof of not supporting what you claimed happened.    Incidentally the Supreme Court found that the arrest and charging process of people arrested on January 6 was unconstitutional.   What irked them was the fact that the people were told they would stay in jail without bail until they plead guilty to the charges concoted by the Biden Justice Department.   That aly actual evidence s nt provided to the court and the accused rights are destryyed.

By t way the so-called Pelosi Committeee destroyed thosuands of documents that proved they were talking  shit at the hearings.   TNhat is alos a crimin al offence since nobody can destoy document based on H ouse or senate proceedings.   So try again and this time first read te House oficial report on what really happened on January 6.

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DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jul 2024, 17:14
#24
02 Jul 2024, 17:14#24

"Us supreme court leanings

The US Supreme Court is composed of nine justices, each with their own unique perspective and leanings. The court’s leanings can be broadly categorized into liberal, conservative, and moderate. Here’s a breakdown of the current justices and their leanings:

Liberal Leanings:

  • Justice Sonia Sotomayor: Known for her progressive views, Justice Sotomayor is often considered the most liberal justice on the court.
  • Justice Elena Kagan: While not as outspoken as Justice Sotomayor, Justice Kagan is generally considered a liberal justice.
  • Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson: In her first full term, Justice Jackson was the most moderate member of the court’s liberal wing, but still leans towards liberal views.

Conservative Leanings:

  • Justice Clarence Thomas: A consistent conservative voice on the court, Justice Thomas is often at odds with liberal justices.
  • Justice Samuel Alito: Justice Alito is a conservative justice who has consistently voted with the court’s conservative bloc.
  • Justice Neil Gorsuch: Appointed by President Trump, Justice Gorsuch is a conservative justice who has been a key vote in several high-profile cases.

Moderate Leanings:

  • Chief Justice John Roberts: While often seen as a swing vote, Chief Justice Roberts tends to lean towards moderate views, seeking to maintain the court’s institutional reputation.
  • Justice Brett Kavanaugh: Justice Kavanaugh is often seen as a moderate justice, with a more nuanced approach to his decisions.

Notable Trends:

  • The court’s ideological leanings have shifted over time, with a growing conservative majority in recent years.
  • The court’s decisions often reflect the leanings of the justices, with liberal justices tending to favor more expansive government power and conservative justices favoring more limited government intervention.
  • The court’s moderate justices, like Chief Justice Roberts, often play a crucial role in shaping the court’s decisions and finding compromise."
Missing Amy Barrett from that list...also conservative, so it's leaning conservative...not the rightwinger BS the left is trying to peddle ATM....these days, anything right of far left is considered "far right"....libertarians are now rightwingers...total BS...mob rule isn't progressive,  it's authoritarian and the road to the dark side...you lefties better catch a wake-up before it's too late.
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
02 Jul 2024, 17:15
#25
02 Jul 2024, 17:15#25

CM, you are wasting time and energy trying to reason with the TDS activists.

Not once have any of these Yellow Bellies ever suggested that some or all of the charges against President Trump are either rigged by the Demorat appointed Prosecuters, Judges, WH staffers, AG, FBI and jury members.

Plus when verdicts and/or appeals do not meet their aims it is called biased.

Why you may ask.

Simple TDS in all cases, an insane determination filled with corruption at all levels of justice to prevent President Trump from running in 2024 and exposing the corruption and criminal activity that has transpired during Bidens terms as VP and President.

But it is important to note that every "Appeal" launched by the Trump legal team against the biased court cases run by corrupt Judges, DA's the WH has been overruled or referred to  a higher corrupt Demorat controlled appeals court.

Humping, pumping and corruption at all levels within the justice sector was started way back in Clintons presidence, really cemented during Obama's terms and now exposed during Bidens term as circus cheerleader.

FOUR MORE YEARS.




   

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jul 2024, 17:18
#26
02 Jul 2024, 17:18#26

BTW, Trump is libertarian and not right-wing...he reduced more regulations than he made laws...reducing government interference in everyday life...but keep on spreading that narrative...more people are waking up to this BS fear mongering. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jul 2024, 18:22
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02 Jul 2024, 18:22#27

It’s naive to believe these cases weren’t decided with some political bias. Here’s the evidence:

Table 5: Judicial votes in 2020 presidential election cases, by judges’ perceived party affiliation

Republican affiliationDemocratic affiliationNot knownTotalFor Trump26 (35%)1 (2%)0 (0%)27 (18%)Against Trump49 (65%)51 (98%)23 (100%)123 (82%)Total755223150
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jul 2024, 18:27
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02 Jul 2024, 18:27#28

My position is when the election is close there will always be challenges in the courts. That’s a healthy thing because it settles the election for most people.

Trump may have been reaching, but it wasn’t undemocratic to challenge results in the courts. It was undemocratic to riot. 

I guarantee you if Trump wins narrowly the Dems will resort to the same tactics this year. No different to the TMO checking a forward pass. In these big contests we have, perhaps sadly, moved beyond being a good sport.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
02 Jul 2024, 18:32
#29
02 Jul 2024, 18:32#29

Is it normal to still be saying the election was stolen - almost 4 years later? 

This is the first US president that I have seen doing this. It is 3rd world stuff.
The Capitol riot was also third-world stuff- the result of Trump lying.

Trump knows he lost. He is a drifting conman, but he even does not buy into the story about Italian laser beams, aliens from the moon, Dominion etc, etc.

The sensible conservatives that worked in the government, were interviewed in the j6 riots committee and were on record saying that none of them believed the election was stolen. It was obvious to anyone that election was free from election fraud - other than Trump himself


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jul 2024, 19:00
#30
02 Jul 2024, 19:00#30
Well it wasn’t obvious to 35% of Republican judges. There were all sorts of shady in that election..  but the biggest was leaving the Russian collusion hoax uncorrected which probably swayed enough votes to change the election.
Election fraud takes many forms.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jul 2024, 20:00
#31
02 Jul 2024, 20:00#31

Snarkhole, Killary is still saying Trump stole the election from her 8 years ago..and back in 2016 the after election riots went on much longer than J6 and the death toll was much higher...the hypocrisy of the left is astounding...

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
02 Jul 2024, 21:34
#32
02 Jul 2024, 21:34#32

Well "Juba King from Soweto" they have recently discovered cases of Demorats election supervisors count votes more than once and in one case not counting thousands of votes cast.

Some Demorat election officials have been prosecuted while other cases are in process of being brought to trial.

Guess why??????????

Now if you add in the Dead votes plus the folks 115 years or older who voted and the scam postal votes perfected by the Demorats you will see a completly picture.

But NO with your TDS problem you are unable to understand or admit the truth.

Shame....get drunk or get HELP your choice.


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Jul 2024, 00:00
#33
03 Jul 2024, 00:00#33

There were all sorts of shady in that election..  but the biggest was leaving the Russian collusion hoax uncorrected which probably swayed enough votes to change the election

LOL, it was the Russian collusion hoax that cost Trump the election...yeah sure it was.

the hypocrisy of the left is astounding...

Almost as astounding as the rights ability to make bogus comparisons.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jul 2024, 01:30
#34
03 Jul 2024, 01:30#34

Data point 1.

‘ While Biden won the popular vote by 7 million votes, across Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin, the three states whose electoral votes contributed to Biden's win, Biden won by fewer than 45,000 votes’

Data point 2.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nearly half of all Americans still believe President Donald Trump worked with Russia to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted after Special Counsel Robert Mueller cleared Trump of that allegation.Americans did feel slightly more positive about Trump after learning the findings of the 22-month investigation into Russian meddling in the election, the national opinion poll released on Tuesday showed.………So the election was won very narrowly in a few key states….but you, with your vast experience of American politics are sure  an incorrect fact believed by 50% of the population, which apparently strongly influenced their views of Trump, couldn’t possibly have swung the election.Thanks for making that all clear. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jul 2024, 04:40
#35
03 Jul 2024, 04:40#35

"So the election was won very narrowly in a few key states…."

A few key counties in a few key states...you don't need wide spread voter fraud to swing an election...45000 votes spread over a few counties over a few swing states isn't that difficult now, is it?

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Jul 2024, 06:12
#36
03 Jul 2024, 06:12#36

The current Justices on the Supreme Court are:

Justice Joined Court Nominated By Previous Position John Roberts (Chief Justice) September 29, 2005 George W. Bush (R) D.C. Circuit Judge Clarence Thomas October 23, 1991 George H.W. Bush (R) D.C. Circuit Judge Samuel Alito January 31, 2006 George W. Bush (R) Third Circuit Judge Sonia Sotomayor August 8, 2009 Barack Obama (D) Second Circuit Judge Elena Kagan August 7, 2010 Barack Obama (D) U.S. Solicitor General Neil Gorsuch April 10, 2017 Donald Trump (R) Tenth Circuit Judge Brett Kavanaugh October 6, 2018 Donald Trump (R) D.C. Circuit Judge Amy Coney Barrett October 27, 2020 Donald Trump (R) Seventh Circuit Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson June 30, 2022 Joseph Biden (D) D.C. Circuit Judge

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Jul 2024, 08:53
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03 Jul 2024, 08:53#37
‘ While Biden won the popular vote by 7 million votes
The electoral colleague system is garbage. The US President should be decided via the popular vote, not a system that pretends more people live in States than they do.but you, with your vast experience of American politics
LOL I'll remember that attitude next time you talk about any topic outside of the US, like oh say the German economy.

an incorrect fact believed by 50% of the population, which apparently strongly influenced their views of Trump, couldn’t possibly have swung the election.Thanks for making that all clear. 
And you know it was that one point on its own that made the difference and not the myriad of other issues that occurred during the Trump Presidency. How many votes did Trump get in that election based off lies told by him or the likes of Fox News?

Cut the crap, you're just trying to give him an excuse for his 2020 election behaviour.

A few key counties in a few key states...you don't need wide spread voter fraud to swing an election...45000 votes spread over a few counties over a few swing states isn't that difficult now, is it?

For about the 1 billionth time. There was no election fraud.  The Associated Press for example looked into voter fraud into the 3 states Moz listed listed along with 3 others and found 475 cases of possible voter fraud and in some of those cases the people involved where Trump supporters. 
Its being investigated how many times at this point?




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jul 2024, 14:58
#38
03 Jul 2024, 14:58#38

Let me help:

1) The state based US Constitution is widely respected. Instead of becoming more confrontational, people migrate to areas in Continent where they feel supported.. 

2) I don’t personally know incorrect Russian collusion was the swing factor…but I suspect it made quite a difference. Proven by the quote:

‘ Americans did feel slightly more positive about Trump after learning the findings of the 22-month investigation into Russian meddling in the election, the national opinion poll released on Tuesday showed.’

3) I never said it was the one point, but it was easily correctible by the media and they left the misconception hanging out there for their own dishonest reasons.

4) I guarantee you there was election fraud. There is always election fraud. Most of these cases were decided along legal/accounting lines…there was no way to go back to the basic process.

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Anger you are as convinced on the left as HasBeen is on the right…two sides of the same coin.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jul 2024, 14:59
#39
03 Jul 2024, 14:59#39

Have you ever watched Cracker? I thought you might enjoy this quote:

‘You are presumed innocent until you are proven Irish ’

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Jul 2024, 15:49
#40
03 Jul 2024, 15:49#40

1) The state based US Constitution is widely respected. Instead of becoming more confrontational, people migrate to areas in Continent where they feel supported.. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/25/majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-moving-away-from-electoral-college/

Secondly in my view if you feel you have to migrate to another part of the country you live in order to feel supported because staying would be too confrontational that's a damning indictment of that countries society.

2) I don’t personally know incorrect Russian collusion was the swing factor…but I suspect it made quite a difference. Proven by the quote:

‘ Americans did feel slightly more positive about Trump after learning the findings of the 22-month investigation into Russian meddling in the election, the national opinion poll released on Tuesday showed.’

Well you certainly come across as someone's who's convinced it was the decisive factor. There was numerous reason's why people voted for Biden or voted against Trump. How many lies did Trump tell during his term as President  and during the 2020 campaign, like for example that Biden was going to do away with protections for people with pre-existing medical conditions, despite it being the exact opposite of Joe Biden's position being just one example.  All those lies he told and Trump's fear mongering how much of that translated into votes for him?

And as I've brought up here several times on this forum (only to be greeted by the sound of crickets), the Muller report did find the Russian's where interfering in the election in Trump's favour, and while Trump wasn't found to have been personally involved, what does it say about Trump that he' was Vladimir Putin's preferred choice to be US President.

3) I never said it was the one point, but it was easily correctible by the media and they left the misconception hanging out there for their own dishonest reasons.

The media reported the finding of the Muller report accurately.

No evidence was found of a conspiracy between Trump and Russia.

Russia did interfere in the election in Trump's favour.

The Trump campaign knew of and expected to benefit from Russian interference.

Several people in the Trump campaign had troubling links to Russia.

The question of whether Trump obstructed the investigation was left opened.

4) I guarantee you there was election fraud. There is always election fraud. Most of these cases were decided along legal/accounting lines…there was no way to go back to the basic process.

Yes, there always is and always be election fraud in pretty much ever election in every country around the world. But that's not what I'm arguing an you know it. The question is, was it significant enough to affect the outcome of the election and in the case of 2020 US presidential election the answer is no absolutely not. The amount of election fraud in that election was miniscule to be completely insignificant. The 2020 election was free and fair.  

Anger you are as convinced on the left as HasBeen is on the right…two sides of the same coin.

LOL. I better start posting a long thread anti-Republican and anti-Trump memes to educate the oaks so.


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