Four More Years.

1) The migration is happening today and the Southern cities are booming….Dallas, Miami, Atlanta.  The constitution of the United States launched the most successful country in the modern era. Rights are protected. Absolutely no reason to tamper with it.

2) and  3) Trump and Biden were favored for many reasons. But Trump’s persona was incorrectly shaped by the media as basically a traitor. I don’t know for sure  that it changed the election, I have never seen a properly conducted study. But all my instincts are that it was enough to ensure a very narrow majority.

4) Again we don’t know the answer to the question. In this case my guess is it didn’t swing the election. But the early, absentee voting was just another opportunity to game the system. The Republicans had every right to challenge the result….they had no right to protest it.

As to  you and HasBeen being joined at the hip, you the left and  he the right hip, I rest my case. Nutters in chorus.

There is a genuine belief in Republican circles that the election was tampered with, if not stolen. Trump had every right to challenge results. What he never should have done was encourage protests. It was a legal/administrative question, not one that should have been influenced by protests. Legal procedures existed - opines the mozzietard

Of course the election was stolen and the evidence is overwhelming and has been outlined on this board.

Of course there should have been and were protests. informed people now know Trump never instigated anything. He spoke about peacefully protesting.

We now know Nazi Piglozi must be investigated and charged ffor her role in J6.

We now know the J6 Committee must be charged with Treason.

We also know a number of demonrats are soiling their depends and are terrified that Justice is coming their way.

All these things will be properly and fairly investigated and people will be going to jail.

Then the Globalist media will pretend to be shocked like they pretend regarding Joe's dementia. By the way Joe's dementia may be a way for Joe to avoid prosecution. 

When will the drooling loons here learn!

1) The migration is happening today and the Southern cities are booming….Dallas, Miami, Atlanta.

I wasn't referring to migration for economic reasons. 

The constitution of the United States launched the most successful country in the modern era. Rights are protected. Absolutely no reason to tamper with it.

In terms of wealth, military power and global influence, sure you can argue the US is the most successful in the modern era but that doesn't necessarily translate to the best standard of living or that the lives of the average citizen can't be improved. 

Rights are protected, such as a women's right to chose? 

And could the reason you wouldn't want to see an end to the electoral college is that you know it would make it harder for Republicans to win an election. Heaven forbid that an election ibedecided by the majority.

2) and  3) Trump and Biden were favored for many reasons. 

Precisely. 

But Trump’s persona was incorrectly shaped by the media as basically a traitor. I don’t know for sure  that it changed the election, I have never seen a properly conducted study.

Well if such a study was done, could we add in a few extra questions. Like for example how many people less would vote Republican is they didn't believe in deep state conspiracy for example. 

But all my instincts are that it was enough to ensure a very narrow majority.

Narrow majority. He won the popular vote by 7 million votes.  No wonder you think the electoral college should remain.

4) Again we don’t know the answer to the question. In this case my guess is it didn’t swing the election. But the early, absentee voting was just another opportunity to game the system. The Republicans had every right to challenge the result….they had no right to protest it.

As to  you and HasBeen being joined at the hip, you the left and  he the right hip, I rest my case. Nutters in chorus.

So let me get this straight.  Muller report finds no evidence that Trump personally colluded with Russian...and your in view that's Trump completely exonerated.

But when the Attorney General who Trump appointed found no evidence of election fraud. The head of Cyber Security found no evidence election fraud, the Director of National Intelligence found no evidence of voter fraud. Judges throw out 40 cases about election fraud, investigative journalists turn up no evidence of voter fraud, a Trump commissioned report showed no evidence of election fraud, election monitors found no evidence of election, state governors found no evidence of election fraud, yet somehow to you this is still an open question after 4 years!

And I'm the nutter?

You are the nutter, it would be more honest if you just embraced it. We can go on pinging each point, without achieving anything…but I’d like to clarify on Trump.

When Trump was supposedly colluding with Russia, Hillary was way ahead in the polls. His chance of election was minimal. So we are supposed to believe for a small chance of success he was willing to engage in a tactic that might not even have moved the needle at all….but at the same time take the risk of blowing up his whole life. Trump is many things, but he isn’t terminally stupid.

He was then investigated more intensively than any human being in the history of the world and they found nothing actionable. Best they could say was they couldn’t clear him of the charges….that in itself was contrary to legal ethics. Many cases are given as not guilty because they couldn’t be proven while there still is a measure of doubt.

The whole thing was a political witch hunt, which unfortunately fooled those who wanted to be fooled….yourself included.

That played a roll in the election, but some of the loss was self inflicted. If the Trump of the debate last week, showing a bit of restraint, had debated Biden in 2020, he likely would have won.

I’m not a Trump supporter, I favored Hailey or de Santis. But there is no doubt he was never given a fair shot as President.

"The question is, was it significant enough to affect the outcome of the election and in the case of 2020 US presidential election the answer is no absolutely not. The amount of election fraud in that election was miniscule to be completely insignificant. The 2020 election was free and fair."

Just because something can not be proven, does not mean it didn't happen...I'm also not arguing that it did, I'm just saying it's not at all that farfetched...their voting system is flawed...for no good reason...why?

You are the nutter.

Wow man you got me, brilliant rebuttal.

it would be more honest if you just embraced it.

I'm curious, where have I been posting conspiracies on this forum or actually even talking about what political polices I actually support. Where are my nutty posts?

When Trump was supposedly colluding with Russia, Hillary was way ahead in the polls. His chance of election was minimal. So we are supposed to believe for a small chance of success he was willing to engage in a tactic that might not even have moved the needle at all….but at the same time take the risk of blowing up his whole life. Trump is many things, but he isn’t terminally stupid.

Well given that Trump was perfectly content to lie about election fraud over and over in 2020 and beyond, and was found guilty of committing financial fraud to order to illegally influence the 2016 election, I don't think its a massive stretch to think that he might take any advantage offered to him. Trump is terminally ignorant but when it comes to legal matters, he's not stupid when it comes insulating himself from the legal consequences of his words and actions.

He was then investigated more intensively than any human being in the history of the world and they found nothing actionable.

Emm...he was found was found guilty in a criminal case of committing financial fraud to order to illegally influence the 2016 election.

Best they could say was they couldn’t clear him of the charges….that in itself was contrary to legal ethics

In response to Trump defenders claiming he was completely exonerated, which he wasn't when it came to the matter of obstruction.

Many cases are given as not guilty because they couldn’t be proven while there still is a measure of doubt.

Except reports are not legal cases. They don't give guilty or not guilty verdicts. The findings of reports are what leads to criminal cases.

The whole thing was a political witch hunt, which unfortunately fooled those who wanted to be fooled….yourself included.

Again to quote George Orwell's 1984  "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command".

Or Trump supporters in 2024 "Orange man bad!"

That played a roll in the election, but some of the loss was self inflicted. If the Trump of the debate last week, showing a bit of restraint, had debated Biden in 2020, he likely would have won.

But that's catch 22, a restrained Trump would have never developed the cult like following he now has and never riled up his supporters to come out in the numbers they did in 2020.

I’m not a Trump supporter, I favored Hailey or de Santis. But there is no doubt he was never given a fair shot as President.

Well you once where, though that appeared to change after January 6th. You defended Trump till the hilt up to that point but I think even you knew his actions on January 6th where beyond the pale and at that point you soured on him. But what I think really galls you is that you know deep down its confirmation that everything the other side said about Trump was true, but after advocating for him for so long your ego can't handle that so you have to hold on to this clutch that Trump was never given a fair shot and that unfair treatment pushed him over the edge. You need to delude yourself.

I am curious, assuming as it likely will on election day that it comes down to Biden Vs Trump, will you still vote for Trump or just not vote. If Biden was to stand aside would you ever consider voting Democrat? 

Stav

Is it normal to still be saying the election was stolen - almost 4 years later? 

This is the first US president that I have seen doing this. It is 3rd world stuff.
The Capitol riot was also third-world stuff- the result of Trump lying.

Trump knows he lost. He is a drifting conman, but he even does not buy into the story about Italian laser beams, aliens from the moon, Dominion etc, etc.

You have been indoctrinated badly by leftist nedia that you never bother to ch eck any lies they conme up with,   

So lets do a bit of nanalysis for you - just for the record.   In 2026 Clinton and the NDC  0 supported started th e lies about the Trump's collution with  Putin and that he is subservient and a foreign agent of PUtin.   T he result as the appointment of two special Councils   to investigate the claims:-

*      Mueller was appointed by the Under-Secretary of Justice to find  proof of evidence o existence of such collussion so that they ccoulfd get rid of Trump as President.   Mueller found no real evidnce of any cillusion - but came up with a story that somebody from Russia spent money on F aceBook rto syupport Tru,mp's presidency.   Wh atn wsa laug ihable was th e amount spent on Facebook advert was $41 000.    In the USA the money for political adverts run  nto millions - so very few people even looked at th e advert.    TNh e wjhole escapade cost t he US  Government $40 million and in fact waqs fruitless expenditure.

*       There were members of the House upset about the issue and they asked Mueller why he did not investigate where th e claims orginted from.   Based on that Barr appointed Durham to inv estogate where the claims orginiated from.   It turnd out that th e wh ole farce was based on lies conciocted by the Obama Administration and Clinton together with the DNC..   Durham spent another S40 million on hsi investifation.   I was found that the F BI playmed a major role in leajkage of Info  to th e emdia and the media tattacks took  years

*        Th e Inspector Gemeral of Justoce found that the FBI and Justice D epartment applied permission to spy on t he Trump election campaaign and got it from falsfiation of statements and usage of the Steel Dossier and flasiicatnion of a certificate that Page was a agent of theirs and frward the applicatio to the FIS Court  for permission to spy n Trump and hsi campaign.   When teh  Inspector  Geenral's report came out the end result was a serious rebuke of qwhat the F BI and Juistice D epartment concocted.

In the case of the 2016 there were complaints lodged by the two parties t the fF ederal E$lection Committee and in the - 

*    of  Clinton she was found guilty of spending $6.9 milion of political doations on the Steele  Dossier and she prsonally was finmed a $100 000 dollars;

*     the evidence submitted to the Court in New York was submitted to the Committee and the Committee commited nothing in contravention of the F ederal E;ection act and no charges ofr fines followed that one.

T o this day Clinton did not admit sh e lost the 2016 election and th at is not 4 - but 8 years ago.   However, there is one serious issue and that was th e illegal means to try and overtrn election based on lies had much more serious consequences than what happened in the protestors in Washington on January 6,    The whole issue was based on lies and had far more serious implications than anythin that happened in 2016.

Now back to the January 6 incient.    Trump at the meeting became awatr that a portion  o he crowd.    Towards the end of his recded sppech  jhe stated that if people want to protest in Washington he cannot stop them from doing  so.   In his s[eech he said further that should they go - there is one thing  they m ust adhere to and that was not to break any law and isntructions from  the Pol;ice. and went on to the riots of the Democrats 5 months earlier in which 46 peopele  were murdered - where over a thousand police officers were murdered or seriously injured by rioers using fire=arms and motov cocktails and arson and looting  amounting to $6 billion took place.   

So how rthe D emocerats are going  to prove that Trump caused the riot aimed at an insurrection has as much chance of suviving like a snowball in hell.  THE WHOLE SAGA WAS TURNED INTO A PROPAGANDA .BS AND ANYTIME YOU COME UP WITH REAL PROOF ON THAT STORY - I WILL PUBLICLY APOLOGIZED TO YOU.

Just anoth er bit of information you may find useful,    In 2017 a proven submission was amde to the effect that there were 5,6 million dead or missing  voters on te voting  roll,   The judge ruled that the California Government should clean out the voters rol.  In Response Newsom - - Governor of Californaia  signed a law that nobody's name could be removed from the voters roll without the written application from the voter concerned.     so the voters rol was not cleaned out as ruled by the Judge.  So the 5.8 million would by now would be much higher than was in 2017. 

So general advice is that on the first Turesday in November every fiurth  hyear people are advised tos tay awaty from cemetaries since they do nt know what th e corpses on the way to vote  may do.  

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Just because

Oh noes Draad, Plum's going be very upset you used those words.

Just because something can not be proven, does not mean it didn't happen

I prefer to live in a world where if you make a claim, you provide evidence to support it. You don't need evidence to support a negative.

their voting system is flawed...for no good reason...why?

How's it flawed?

"I prefer to live in a world where if you make a claim, you provide evidence to support it. You don't need evidence to support a negative."

Indeed, but you asserted:

"The amount of election fraud in that election was miniscule to be completely insignificant. The 2020 election was free and fair."

Just because the opposite wasn't proven doesn't mean it didn't happen...where is your proof it did not happen?...I never said it did, I said it might have...so I don't have to prove anything...you said it definitely did not happen, yet you did not submit ant proof...???

....and being able to vote without proper identification or regularly scrutinized voter rolls is even worse than 3rd world...calling  voter ID requirement racist  is just plain stupid...even us Saffas know better...when last did you vote without proper ID?

STAVASS is about as ignorant as they come. He obviously has not seen the mountains of evidence of voter fraud and rigging. 

He thinks no signature verification, no ID and tens of millions of mail in ballets floating around all make for a secure elections. 

Law were changed but not by state Legislatures. That is illegal. 

The Dominium machines were easily hacks led by anybody and votes could and were flipped. 

Then we had the Hunter Biden Laptop, the censorship of Conservative voices. 

We had Ballot dumps nearly all for Biden in the early hours of the morning after election day. 

We had Biden losing all the bell weather states bar 1. We had Biden winning less countries than Obummer. We had Biden campaigning from his basement getting 81 million votes. 

Now I have not gone into details about ballot images not tallying with Ballots on hand and the numerous problems there were. 

This wax the biggest election steal in American history. 

Many articles and evidences are available. However sucker's still suckling on the teat of Globalist fake news will not have seen it. As we see repeatedly they are very ignorant and totally duped again and again. Bwahahahahaha. Absurd creatures. 

California according to aq court ruling 5,8 million dead and missing still in the voters roll and the California Govertment to clean up the Voters role as a amtter o urgency.    The respnse to that ruling was to pass a Law  to the effect that nobody.s name may be reoved from the California voters roll without the voter applying in writing for teir name to be removed from the role.   

This is found in all States Governed by the Demcorats.

Why do the Democrats refuse to take of dead people from the rols,   A ll dead people would have voted for the Democatic Party trough harvesting,     

Again in California  in terms of State Law agents of parties involved van colleet votes from peiople on the roll who did no vute on eection day for 14 days after the election.   ht sysem is wdely used for voting  by the dead/    In 3 of the Federal House districts in San Diego he 3 members up  for re-lction had 252 000  mre votes than their DP challenger when all available votes have been couted,      In the two weeks available to them DP agents colleted 256 000 votes,    Easy to do you find 200  000 votes came from dearly departed

Biden wanted the California Election Act applicable to be a Federak Govenrmeent fuctio.  F or obvius reasons the Democrats effectively use a very simple ideology.   All dead voters would vote for them and nobody else,.        

Just because the opposite wasn't proven doesn't mean it didn't happen...where is your proof it did not happen?

I'm not the one making the claim the election was stolen, so its not up to me to prove it wasn't stolen.

...I never said it did, I said it might have...so I don't have to prove anything..

Oh come oh. Would you ever stop being so mealy mouthed.

you said it definitely did not happen, yet you did not submit ant proof...???

Jesus H Christ, Picard face palm x100. An election occurred, people voted, the votes where counted, and when those votes where counted the person that ended up the most electoral college votes was elected President. You know all the stuff that's suppose to happen in an election and all of its pretty much common knowledge. Are you suggesting any of this did not occur?

....and being able to vote without proper identification or regularly scrutinized voter rolls is even worse than 3rd world...calling  voter ID requirement racist  is just plain stupid.

When has lead to any significant voter fraud in American elections?.

...calling  voter ID requirement racist  is just plain stupid..

Its not called racist, its called voter suppression, because it throw up barriers to voting, typically to people from deprived backgrounds (who tend to be from minority groups) would wouldn't want to spend money on the required ID and typically those who are more inclined to vote Democrat. 

But an easy compromise could be reached on this. If its a requirement to have ID, then the government should provide it for free. That way both sides can be happy.

..even us Saffas know better...when last did you vote without proper ID?

South African rates considerably worse for corruption and somewhat worse in freedom indexes than the US. 

So I’m curious, Anger, who would you vote for…..the supposed scoundrel or the clearly  incompetent octagenerian.

S tav

Trump was not c opnv icfted ofc anyth ing  - since accorfding to law he is only conicted as sucx af trewr his appeals are nnot being  sustainmed.    Since the New York Judge is delaying sentencing to 10 July and now it is delayed to Sptember 2024.

Yopu ah ve been ask,ed 20 times abo/utr which Laws TRump broke in th e New York trrial - apaprfently the Judge himselfc does not know - since he tgold the Jury to deal with the issue no/t absed on any psefdfic laws - but to find Trump guilty based on the evidenc e provbided by the Prosecution and disregard the laws involved in terfms of whiuch he was accused of.   A wird instruction by the Judge - sinmce iot si basically against normal judicial practise in the USA .  

In anym event Trump had the right to appeal any sedntense the Judg e may come up with and until thosed apeasls ahve been dealt with he is not convicted of any crfime

You obviously as an extreme leftist you would vote for destruction of demcofrac y in  the USA and at the sdame time wsorldwide.    Amazing.      .

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Okay just for the hell of it I'm going copy Mike's post and remove any spelling and grammar mistakes to see if it makes any more sense.

Trump was  - since to law he is only as his appeals are being. Since the New York Judge is delaying sentencing to 10 July and now it is delayed to 2024.

been 20 times which Laws broke in  New York  the Judge does not know - since he the Jury to deal with the issue on any laws - but to find Trump guilty based on the by the Prosecution and disregard the laws involved ins of he was accused of.   A  instruction by the Judge -  basically against normal judicial practise in the USA .  

In event Trump had the right to appeal any the may come up with and until been dealt with he is not convicted of any 

You obviously as an extreme leftist you would vote for destruction of in the USA and at the time  Amazing. 

Well said Mike, I think Americans are awakening to the disaster the Illegitimate Biden Regime has been.

With lawfare now failing this anti democratic scumbags what are they relying on. Well they reckon the can manufacture millions of ballots and certain demonrats are calling for the murder of trump and that Biden must simply jail him. 

It actually looks like only assassin ation will stop Trump.

It actually looks like only assassination will stop Trump.

The funny thing is Biden could probably get away with assassinating Trump now, thanks to that batshit suprem e court ruling.

Stav for FS get yourself in check or find an Irish site to post your TDS garbage.

tav

There is no BS rul;ing of the Supreme Court - the Supreme Court cn firmned tgfhe basic principles ofc the US Constitution as applied from Washington to Biden and made very clear that President made decisions in his official capacity that cannot be regarded as crimes a fter deaprture from office base on political issues.   

The Suipreme Court went on to state  that no President make only politcal decisions - but also person al dxecisions.   The latter can  result in criminology - but it means that any ex-President can be charged ifd he takes decisions that is pof a cxriminal nature.    So the first thing  that should be proved against Trump must first be investigated as to what decisions he gook of a perfsonal nature that could be regarded as criminal in nature.   In other fake charges like the 2 in New York - where the court was never tgold and proved what laws or law Trump broken is unaccpetable.    The Georgia case was so mucked up with corruption involving the DA that it will go nowhere.

The tfewo Smith cases has a problem as well.   Smi.th basewd the charges on what transpired at the Pelosxi Committee heafrings and is in a jam that the Committee members have illeally destroyed thousands of documents after the "hearings".   A fuirther sisue is that the House Committee held a whole range of hearings under oath  and if their was criminality it was caused by the Biden Administration.    That leaves Smioth in a mess as the Courts are likely to regardx the charges as BS - since the hearfings by he Pelosi Committee was a political sidedshow and the findings of the House Committee on the issue  is valid.   So the chareges of Smith would be virtually impossib le in any Court of Law.

As the issue of the documents taken by Trump is not illegal and he ahs the right in terms of law to declasify documents.    The fact si there are some factors that is proiblematic for Smith to prove and that rfelates to what happened to the Mar-El-Lago raid on Trumps home.     Their was clear evidence thatthe State Library inspected the documents taken and aksed that solme of hiose be returfn ed to them and that was done.   The rest of the diocuments were in a secure room - since there was a double lock on the entrance to he room and on key was kept by the State Security Staff guareding the House and the other ekly waas held by Trump or his lawyer.  So there are no chance of any document be made public without Security clearancxe.

The documents were kept in 32 closed boxes each with a list of documents and a list of declssified docments on top.   In  gther House invetigation on the issue i was found that an FBI photo leaked to the emdia was a fake and then the case started c ollapsing since the Judge ruled that the documents takena way by the FBI can be insopectged by the Legal Team rfepresening Trump in the case.   So the FBI semt back -

*    21 boxes of the 32 documents taken fom the Mar-El-Lago home; and from those,

*     there were docxuements missing.

That infurfiated tfhe Judge concerned and initially decided that the court heafring be postponed indefinitely until all the documents taken have been retgiuened to teh court foer inspection.   The suspicicion si that the FBI ands Justice Department, as well as the WH was worried that the documents taken relartted to illegal con ducxt by B iden and unmcosmntiotitutional c onduct by the FBI.    So that case will also be virtually impossible to prove anyway.   

The other issue is the apopointment of Special Cpouncils by the Justice Department in at lesast the case ofc the appointment of Mueller by a relatively junior official in the Justice Dep[artment.    Appointments of Sppecial Coiuncils werfe rare in the past - but in the l;at 8 yeafrs 4 Special Council appoitments were made/   Since Speciasl Councils cost millions  at least some Judges beleive that Congressiona approval for appointment of Special Councils arfe essential.    The fact is tghat Special Councils in the past appointments have been senior Government Legal Officials with experience in adminsitrative law - in the Smith case an appoinmtm,ent was amde of a lawyer that never served in Government - in oter words an appointment amde under questionable conditions.

So the only problem is to pove criminal offenses Trump is huilkty of and none ahs been poven trhus far.   The reals itruation is that the DP and their supporting mewdia woiuld get rid of Trump as political "lawfare" - hence the media storm about the Supreme Court D ecision.   In this regard the Court did not find Trump not guilty of any offense - what the Supreme Court ahd to eb decuided on is soimething that happened for the fdirst time ever in the USA and priovde guidelines as to how comstitutional rights of people against political abuse must be dealt with.   

 The Democrats wants to establish a Banana Republic wehere opponents to their regime can be sent to jail illegally and uncosntirtutionally.   They are desperate to get rid of Trump as an opponent  - the only way they can do that is laying fake charges against Trump and hope something will stick.   So far nothing did.         .                                -      

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Since Biden is not the real President but the Democrat establishment  is desperate to have a Zombie in ther WH,  but he is metally a blank and does no look healhy at all., 

The question remains - who is unelected fasctually running and ruining the USA

So Anger, in Ireland you just go to the voting station..say I’m Sean Fahrty and cast your vote?

Anger?

In Ireland, voters receive a polling card in advance of any election or referendum. While it is not necessary to bring this along to vote, voters are required to bring identification with them in order to vote. Acceptable forms of identification include passports (including Irish passport cards), driving licences, workplace identity cards (with a photograph), student identity cards (with a photograph), travel documents (with a photograph), Public Services Cards or a bank or credit union account book with an address in the constituency. If the individual does not have one of these, they can also present a cheque book or card, a credit card or birth or marriage certificate together with proof of address in the constituency (e.g. a utility bill).[35]