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Free the Leopards...

Started by sharkbok147 REPLIES1,994 VIEWS· 10 Jan 2023, 22:47
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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
10 Jan 2023, 22:47
#1
10 Jan 2023, 22:47#1

The war has hit a stalemate, particularly as it is now the middle of winter.

As Spring arrives, Putin will continue until all of his armies are dead, along with the next batch of mobilisation call-ups. This will take ages, and even drag on for years.

Now that the gas price is decreasing, it is not such a big issue for the world economy. 
However, Ukraine can't continue like this forever.

They have to do something quickly, and need to consider other options

1. More attacks in Russia with long-range weapons
2. More powerful counterattacks within Ukraine. 

NATO is reluctant to allow Ukraine to attack Russia more because of fears of nuclear war, but on the other hand, something has to be done. 

It is time to up the ante...

The Leopard 2 is rated as the best tank in the world, the Porche of Tanks.

Poland and others are now eager to deliver their Leopards to Ukraine. However, Germany the creator of the Leopard, and licensee is dragging its feet once again. Sure, they had a reason for energy, but now they are still being a barrier to progress- as other countries need German approval to send the Leopards to another country. 

The Leopard will allow Ukraine to strike more aggressive counterattacks, and will help mow down the Russian invaders. 




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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Jan 2023, 23:30
#2
10 Jan 2023, 23:30#2

The Germans are freaking out at the thought of sending Panzer' s to the Eastern Front again.

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Black & Red Club Pro255 posts
10 Jan 2023, 23:52
#3
10 Jan 2023, 23:52#3

We all know what happene the last time they did that bullshit


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Jan 2023, 00:43
#4
11 Jan 2023, 00:43#4

Its like if a German was asked to play the board game R isk and they go "Ah nein, I get way too competitive!"

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
24 Jan 2023, 21:55
#5
24 Jan 2023, 21:55#5

It looks like the Leopards are on their way to Ukraine. It could be 500+ tanks.  This should help against the outdated Russian tanks. 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
24 Jan 2023, 22:08
#6
24 Jan 2023, 22:08#6

A stalemate? The Russians are occupying the territory they set out to control a very long time ago. The Germans would do well to stay out of this for a multitude of reasons, the silly krouts have all but obliterated their economy and ruined their society with this silly support of American expansionism. They'll only deplete themselves like many other European nations. The best bet would be to off outdated tech to Ukraine for a tidy sum, nothing for free. The neo-Nazi Zalensky has had too much freebies as things stand. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Jan 2023, 22:31
#7
24 Jan 2023, 22:31#7

A stalemate?

Yes a stalemate, what war have you been watching?

The Russians are occupying the territory they set out to control a very long time ago.

Is that why the Russian's had billboards in Kherson with Russia forever on them?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Jan 2023, 00:49
#8
25 Jan 2023, 00:49#8

"......and ruined their society with this silly support of American expansionism."

Oh Dearie me......... the spot up your bum chum's asshole might now be at a loose end.


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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
25 Jan 2023, 02:58
#9
25 Jan 2023, 02:58#9

The Challenger 2 from the UK is like a steamroller. It is used to initiate the attack, and then smaller tanks like leopards follow up the lead tank. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Jan 2023, 05:59
#10
25 Jan 2023, 05:59#10

Jus heard it onna radio ........... Germans finally say, 'ja wohl', the tanks will be sent.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Jan 2023, 06:33
#11
25 Jan 2023, 06:33#11

What motivates someone, who lives in the 'FreeWorld', to support the psychopath Putin ?  ouMaaik spoke about denazification & protecting Russian fanboys living in Ukraine as a few of his reasons why .

Perhaps 'Card will enlighten moi as well .


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 08:03
#12
25 Jan 2023, 08:03#12
Few things on this board disgust me as much as seeing how you guys have responded to this war. Sad, disgusting and actually terrifying.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
25 Jan 2023, 08:12
#13
25 Jan 2023, 08:12#13

So glad these tanks are on the way

I see Boris has also openly said now that everything must be done to assist Ukraine.

Meanwhile Putin is putting up anti-air missile defense systems all around his private getaway, fearing a deep inland attack by Ukraine forces...

LOL.... run you fucker

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Jan 2023, 10:41
#14
25 Jan 2023, 10:41#14

Few things on this board disgust me as much as seeing how you guys have responded to this war.

Sad, disgusting and actually terrifying.

Yeah the amount of posters here either openly supporting Russia's action is pretty disgusting. Then you have those who pretend they are offering impartial views but its really just thinly veiled support for Russia as they regurgitate Russia's talking points now matter how insane they are.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 11:30
#15
25 Jan 2023, 11:30#15

Oh gawd...one has to paint pictures for adults.

Two kids get into it on the schoolyard.

Both are badly injured in the fight.

You guys --> Who started it? That person is 100% to blame and is totally evil.

Me --> Where was the teacher that was meant to be watching the kids?

You guys --> Ja, but he started it.

Me --> It could have been completely avoided in the first place were the teacher doing their job.

You guys --> Ja but he's evil, lets's put him in detention for the rest of his life.

Me --> You know there are another 500 kids out there and if the teacher fails to do their job again, there will be more fights...more injuries.

You guys --> No, we need to put all evil kids in detention

Me --> You're retarded.

Now, because i know how absolutely slimy you have become, the teacher is politicians and the job is diplomacy.

The kids are Russia and Ukraine.

And what is alarming, and disgusting to me, is how quickly you pick sides. How easily the people who are responsible for avoiding wars get off the hook because you're too busy being 100% behind the team that you think is correct.

Again, disgusted.


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
25 Jan 2023, 11:32
#16
25 Jan 2023, 11:32#16

There is absolutely no difference in my mind, from someone supporting Putin in this war, to someone supporting what Hitler did....

Sway and swing your reasons any way you want to, but you have to seriously be fucked up, to openly still support anything that this sick fucker Putin is doing and has already done to the poor people of Ukraine.

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
25 Jan 2023, 11:37
#17
25 Jan 2023, 11:37#17

Yes, ButtPlug is seriously fucked up. Anyone who supports Putin, is a Nazi - it is that simple.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:01
#18
25 Jan 2023, 12:01#18
Good, cos i’m not supporting Putin. I’m in support of LESS PEOPLE DYING. …as i was from the start.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:07
#19
25 Jan 2023, 12:07#19

I have seen many previous comments on this forum, from multiple posters, where they have openly tried to justify why Putin has done what he did with this war... and I also understand why Putin felt he was pushed into a corner to some degree.... but that doesn't mean I support, agree or understand how and why he responded the way he did.

War is war.... I get it, I really d o....but I just can't agree at all with anything that Putin has done here..... the atrocity that he has since created, by completely destroying a country, it's heritage, it's history, it's lineage.... along with the thousands of lives of innocent men, women and children, the rampant rape, torture and cruelty that went along with it..... it's just sickening

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:10
#20
25 Jan 2023, 12:10#20

ButtPlug's childlike view of the world is quite worrying. Blame all the world's politicians because Putin invaded Ukraine? Whatever next?

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:10
#21
25 Jan 2023, 12:10#21

"I’m in support of LESS PEOPLE DYING"

I agree with this Plum, and I have also previously said this many times on this forum, specifically about the Russian soldiers that have been affected as well.

I despise the fact that all these young Russian soldiers were all put on the front line... to die, for a cause that so many of them did not even know about, care about, or want to die for.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:16
#22
25 Jan 2023, 12:16#22

The best way to stop more people dying is to assas sinate the scumbag who created this mess and who sent his soldiers into Ukraine to kill as many people as possible.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:20
#23
25 Jan 2023, 12:20#23

"The best way to stop more people dying is to assassinate the scumbag who created this mess and who sent his soldiers into Ukraine to kill as many people as possible"

We might not agree on some things Rooinek, but this ain't one of them.

I have also previously stated the exact same thing on here....

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:20
#24
25 Jan 2023, 12:20#24
Yes, Rooi, it’s very childish to assume that better diplomacy could have avoided this war…and the subsequent energy crisis. And yes, I also previous expressed similar sentiments regarding getting rid of Putin, though my strategy wouldn’t have been to alienate Russians. I feel the best way to get rid of Putin is from within…and with the support of as many Russians as possible.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:36
#25
25 Jan 2023, 12:36#25

Yes, Rooi, it’s very childish to assume that better diplomacy could have avoided this war…and the subsequent energy crisis.

What would that better diplomacy have looked like?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Jan 2023, 12:46
#26
25 Jan 2023, 12:46#26
"What would that better diplomacy have looked like?"
I'm guessing it involves teachers wagging their fingers at children.
Hard to believe a grown- up can have such a naive view on this invasion. Don't blame the murderous tyrant who invaded a sovereign country, blame the naughty politicians who didn't talk him out of it. That is pretty much what ButtPlug is saying here.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 13:04
#27
25 Jan 2023, 13:04#27
Thanks for proving my point, RooiTit What you fools are obviously missing, on top of everything else, is that even in the event of diplomacy failing to prevent the war, it could nevertheless have laid justifiable pre-text for a much swifter and decisive response from the West in support of Ukraine.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Jan 2023, 13:53
#28
25 Jan 2023, 13:53#28
What you fools are obviously missing, on top of everything else, is that even in the event of diplomacy failing to prevent the war,
And that diplomacy should of been?


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 13:57
#29
25 Jan 2023, 13:57#29
…better
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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
25 Jan 2023, 14:00
#30
25 Jan 2023, 14:00#30

ButtPlug has proven  his point that the kettle should be in the fridge

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Jan 2023, 14:02
#31
25 Jan 2023, 14:02#31

Hard to believe a grown-up can have such a naive view on this invasion. Don't blame the murderous tyrant who invaded a sovereign country, blame the naughty politicians who didn't talk him out of it. That is pretty much what ButtPlug is saying here.

Its like a rapist attacking someone, and then a third party onlooker starts blaming another third party for not convincing the victim to allow themselves to be sexually assaulted a little bit to placate the rapist and that trying to help the victim is just prolonging the victims suffering. Also they don't want the rapist punished for their actions.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Jan 2023, 14:08
#32
25 Jan 2023, 14:08#32

…better

And that better diplomacy was???


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 14:23
#33
25 Jan 2023, 14:23#33
…never tried.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Jan 2023, 14:42
#34
25 Jan 2023, 14:42#34
…never tried.

I think we can all safely assume by your repeated dodging of the question that you have no idea how the west diplomatically could of prevented the war, you just want an excuse to lay the blame on the west.
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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
25 Jan 2023, 15:31
#35
25 Jan 2023, 15:31#35

Precisely, just like the other Putin sycophants. Blame the West by using Putin's arguments as justifications for the war. 

So invading Ukraine was not actually an imperialistic landgrab, it was because someone hurt Putin's feelings. Without NATO Putin would be invading more countries already because Putins feelings would also be hurt.

Putin initially said it was to Denazify Ukraine, and then he gave another 400 reason

Putin is the latest Dr Evil off the Russian conveyor belt. Been in absolute power for far too long and now has delusions of grandeur that he is the next in the line of former Great Russian rulers.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 15:55
#36
25 Jan 2023, 15:55#36
No Star, i’m simply not your dancing monkey. If you disagree, perhaps you should explain how excellent the diplomacy prior to the war was.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Jan 2023, 16:19
#37
25 Jan 2023, 16:19#37
"No Star, i’m simply not your dancing monkey."
Translation: I'm going to say something that is ignorant, naive and downright stupid and if anyone disagrees with my statement, instead of trying to defend my position or make my case, I'll just tell them they have to prove whatever it is they're saying.
No ButtPlug, you're definitely not a dancing monkey. A dancing monkey has you by about 20 IQ points . . . and it can dance.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Jan 2023, 16:57
#38
25 Jan 2023, 16:57#38
If you disagree, perhaps you should explain how excellent the diplomacy prior to the war was.
I'm not the one making the claim better diplomacy could of prevented the war you are, you provide the details of what that diplomacy would have looked like.







RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Jan 2023, 17:10
#39
25 Jan 2023, 17:10#39
Us guys --> Why won't you answer the question, ButtPlug?
ButtPlug --> Why won't YOU answer the question?
Us guys --> Because we asked it.
ButtPlug --> Well now I'm asking YOU a question, I'm elastic so it bounces back to you!
Us guys --> So you won't answer the question then?
ButtPlug --> I did answer the question, you were too cowardly, I win! You lose! Nyaah nya-nya nyaaaaaaa-nya! (Sticks tongue out and waggles fingers).

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Jan 2023, 17:24
#40
25 Jan 2023, 17:24#40
Well, if I'm wrong about how I think there were likely diplomatic strategies that'd have seen a better result, then it should be relatively easy for you to tell me why.
See if a statement is "ignorant, naive and downright stupid",  then swatting it away should be a matter of course rather than effort. 
However, I don't think you can. 

This is why Star wants me to dance for him and why Rooi is reverting to his usual pitiful, childish, fearful, lazy, transparent, monotonous, regrettable, annoying, dickish and fat ways.
I get it, what Russia has done in Ukraine in the past was beyond horrific. Actually, a good example of how evil people can be and how bad ideas can undermine everything that is human about us. No shit Ukraine(at least the parts and people that don't support Russia ) is, and will forever be, skeptical about Russia, and even hate Russians. 
None of that is lost on me. 
But Rooi, you have to do a little better than simply call Putin a madman when you're trying to make an argument against historic, and well-documented, diplomatic failures between Nato and Russia. 







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