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God saves and delivers gay man.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jun 2023, 10:09
#1
04 Jun 2023, 10:09#1

Wonderful supernatural, born again conversion testimony. God delivered him also from being gay. No need for anybody to be gay.



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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jun 2023, 10:12
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04 Jun 2023, 10:12#2

There are countless testimonies such as these. So much so, that it's common sense that homosexaulity is not a sexuality at all, it's a perversion with an underlying cause, just like every other branch of LGBT. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jun 2023, 10:19
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04 Jun 2023, 10:19#3

Agree. Terrible how in the West its being forced on people all the time. In the US they have a PRIDE MONTH

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jun 2023, 10:48
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04 Jun 2023, 10:48#4

Lesbians can also be saved!



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jun 2023, 11:41
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04 Jun 2023, 11:41#5
I don't see how you guys can have these opinions. On the one hand we all agree that a child cannot make decisions about their sexuality because children are not sexual creatures yet. They don't understand sexuality because they don't understand or know sexual attraction. This is common sense and it's why nobody outside of the clinically insane would agree to a sex change for a child. But...and I know this from my own experience, very young children can be gay. Not in the sense that they're attracted to the same sex or hold any sort of perversion or sexual desire within. They are just different. They were born with a type of brain that is different to yours and mine. Of course some people choose to be gay...but very many don't. I may have mentioned it here before, but I have a cousin that is my age. I knew from as young as 9 years-old that he was gay. So did everyone else. He wasn't necessarily interested in dressing like a girl, playing with dolls or anything like that. It was just his personality. It's not like he acted like a girl or the usual things one would try and pin on "gayness". He just behaved very differently to other boys our age. He had zero interest in sport, was far more mature than the rest of us, was very soft natured, and basically just gave off gay vibes. I'm no talking about the cause here...perhaps his perhaps were too strict or whatever. What's important is that from a super young age, even the children around him could tell he was gay. It's often obviously a mental thing and not a choice. Can I ask you to not be heterosexual? Sure I can, but you are heterosexual...so how can I expect you to be something else simply to make my world more comfortable? After many years of struggle as an adult, he decided to be himself and not pretend to be someone he wasn't. The poor guy tried to date girls and was miserable. Probably as miserable as I'd be if you asked me to date men. As miserable as one is when society forces you to do what is unthinkable for you. As I'm one of the sporty and more "dude'ish" types in my family, when my cousin came out, I was one of the people he phoned. We don't talk much so when he called me it was kinda surprising. We made small talk for about 15 minutes, and he was nervous as hell the entire time. I thought that he was calling me to ask for some that and that's why he was so nervous. Eventually he said he had to tell me something and then came out with it and told me he was gay. It immediately made me cry. I thought, this poor guy, he's so afraid, so nervous...all because he thinks I might reject him and not talk to him again simply for confirming something to me that was already obvious since we were children. Like I would blame him, judge him and shun him. I remember saying "No, shit dude!" And I remember how relived he sounded as we both laughed. How can I not support that? How can I call him a pervert, deviant or sinner? That would be completely unfair. He's probably one of the most reliable and honest people in our family. He was always the one who went to see my gran in the old age home, the one that helped his sister up every time she had problems and the first to defend our family. He's a good person, a better person than very many that are supposedly walking the straight and narrow. I'm all for defending religions. I do so here regularly. But I just wonder if you guys sometimes realise that religion talks about acceptance and forgiveness. It's one thing to talk but it's a totally different thing to act. And if you cannot accept somebody's nature, when that nature is not hurting you or anyone else...what kind of acceptance do you expect for who you are and how you live?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jun 2023, 11:53
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04 Jun 2023, 11:53#6
Let's internet some text, shall we... "11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people..." Great, let's say that gays are sexually immoral. Can you guys confirm that you don't fall into any of the other categories on this list? Let's look at greed. You may not think you are greedy. Do you own two cars? Do you have enough money to live for a few months without getting paid? Just how full is your fridge? Ok, how does God define greed? It's it having over a million ZARs?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jun 2023, 11:55
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04 Jun 2023, 11:55#7
Some more text... "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" You'll note that gays and greedy people have not been excluded.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
04 Jun 2023, 14:25
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04 Jun 2023, 14:25#8
Yeah I can't wait to see God "save and deliver" all those people having sex outside of marriage. Not doing too well on that front, is our Good Lord.
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
04 Jun 2023, 14:27
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04 Jun 2023, 14:27#9

Watching the ex-lesbian give her testimony in many words was interesting. 

As she says we have these mega-churches that skip over these issues, they not dealing with them. Now Plum starts talking about greed.... is it not the greed of these churches that stops them preaching the gospel. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
04 Jun 2023, 14:59
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04 Jun 2023, 14:59#10

Most religious people sound like Arabs, rather than the followers of the teachings of Jesus. 
If Putin and Jesus were running for pre sident of the world - they would vote for Putin because he is less woke. 

Jesus taught principles of love, compassion, and acceptance towards all people and his message emphasized inclusivity, kindness, and treating others with respect and dignity.

 His teachings encouraged people to focus on their own actions and personal relationships with God rather than condemning others.

One of the central teachings of Jesus is known as the Golden Rule, which can be found in Matthew 7:12: "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." This principle encourages individuals to treat others as they would like to be treated, emphasizing empathy and understanding.

Jesus also exemplified tolerance and acceptance in his interactions with people from various walks of life, including tax collectors, Samaritans, and even those considered social outcasts or sinners. He demonstrated love and compassion towards individuals who were marginalized or ostracized by society, teaching his followers to do the same.

In the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), Jesus illustrated the importance of showing kindness and care to those in need, even if they were from a different background or group. This story challenges biases and encourages an attitude of inclusivity and compassion towards all people, regardless of differences.

Furthermore, Jesus taught forgiveness and urged his followers to love their enemies (Matthew 5:43-48). This teaching emphasizes the need to overcome animosity, prejudice, and hostility, promoting a spirit of reconciliation and understanding.

Jesus's teachings and actions promote a mindset of love, acceptance, and respect towards all individuals, fostering an environment of inclusivity and understanding.

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Jesus sounds more like Democracy, and liberalism (Aka Wokism) than the values promoted by religious people).
Religious fundamentalists fear the afterlife - so when they attack minority groups it gives them self-gratification by bullying minority groups under the guise of God's values.

Some religious people do understand the values promoted by the religion and try to apply these - but in the 21st century, it seems few and far between. Most of them seem more like Arabs that do not have Democratic values. 

LGBT people will always exist, unlike religions which appear to be on their way out. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:22
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04 Jun 2023, 15:22#11

Indeed Plum...

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:27
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04 Jun 2023, 15:27#12

Ole SB says Jesus didn't exist and now he does. I am confused. Does any of them have a proper worldview. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:32
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04 Jun 2023, 15:32#13

Jesus either did not exist - or he was just a human that was not reborn. 

However - like all works of fiction - the morals of the story can still be real.
(E.g. a movie character such as Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, or Luke Skywalker in Star Wars etc).

I can read any religion and find stuff that I agree with morally - however, I can do the same with other books of fiction. 


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:33
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04 Jun 2023, 15:33#14

You're a fake

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:38
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04 Jun 2023, 15:38#15
As a statistical average, non-religious are morally better people that religious - particularly in the 21t century. 

We are like Jesus figures - teaching the religious people morals. 
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:41
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04 Jun 2023, 15:41#16

You're a snowflake

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:44
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04 Jun 2023, 15:44#17

Step into the light my child. For once you were darkness, and now you are light

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:48
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04 Jun 2023, 15:48#18

We are talking brainwaves here, not brains. Anomoalous functioning, that when remedied sees the change in brainwaves. There is no different brain in homosexuals, neither is there a genetic component to it. As per equating which sin is worse than others? All sin is equally punishable with eternal separation from HaShem. That's what Gehenna is, not a place where people are merely "punished", but a place reservced for those who have chosen eternal separation from Elohim. As he said, 'Have I not stored up my wrath in my vaults?'. He is omniscient, and has reserved His all consuming self from those who are worthy of that consumption. That's nothing but merciful. What is the cost? A free choice, and you don't have to be perfect. That's the entire point of Yeshua's sacrifice, to cover what we cannot do ourselves. Torah was a reinstituted set of principles for coexistence with a Holy Elohim, but it was only a means to teach us what sin was, and did not cover the cost of our sins. Is a gay person totally evil? They might be, I have experienced such a wide spectrum of homosexuals. It's one component of a person. Sexual sin is epecially insidious, as it's not merely sin that affects others, it's sin against one's own self. It knows no bounds, and will drag one deeper and deeper into depravity. Look at our society Plum, has it become better or worse with the varying levels of acceptance of LGBT over the past thirty years? I don't hate homosexuals, but I do not defend the sin. It's our dity as Talmidim to spread that message, and help those who may choose Elohim. The left want to ensure that there is no choice whatsoever. 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jun 2023, 15:51
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04 Jun 2023, 15:51#19

"As a statistical average, non-religious are morally better people that religious - particularly in the 21t century."

You could not have picked a worse era to say such a thing. Your kind have obliterated entire regions of earth, amassing hundreds of millions of lives, and perversions of all kinds. What was it that lead you down this path? There's always something. Abused as a child, illness, bullying, rejection? It must have been at least one of those. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
04 Jun 2023, 16:04
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04 Jun 2023, 16:04#20
Christians are becoming the outcasts of Western society that reject Democratic values. 
This is why they hate the West - they are no longer relevant. 

Every day there are fewer of them,,, Imagine what it will be like 30 years from now. They won't even get 15% of the votes. Maybe they should be transported to the Middle East where they can be with their own kind. 
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
04 Jun 2023, 16:20
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04 Jun 2023, 16:20#21

SB has the mental ability of a broken toilet seat.

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
04 Jun 2023, 17:05
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04 Jun 2023, 17:05#22

A lost sheep, one day you will realise that Jesus and I are correct. 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jun 2023, 17:43
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04 Jun 2023, 17:43#23

What democracy exists in the West? Accept what you are told or be aggressively attacked? The left whingers are happy because they appear to be getting what they want. So shortsighted, they don't see that they are only being given enough rope to hang themselves. Democracy doesn't exist in the West. And your Satanism is going to come back to haunt you as the West falls. Thankfully, I don't have to suffer the fallout like you do. Besides, this appointed time is going to be brief, and I will persevere through this time. It's exactly what I have been expecting the past 25 years. There's no surprise. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
04 Jun 2023, 19:34
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04 Jun 2023, 19:34#24




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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
05 Jun 2023, 01:18
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05 Jun 2023, 01:18#25

Gay's bad yet these evil-minded bent Christians are happy to heap praise on a multiple offending paedophile & their hero Putin who's hellbent on continuing a campaign of genocide.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
05 Jun 2023, 04:37
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05 Jun 2023, 04:37#26

Blobok is a paedophile. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Jun 2023, 06:38
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05 Jun 2023, 06:38#27
Well, Deus...I can appreciate someone that has the courage of their conviction. My problem is that I perpetually find myself in the middle trying to defend people's right to their lifestyle, religion, speech, etc. Gays see their world, the religious see theirs, and I see division everywhere. Of course I despise the current LGBT agenda...but I also despise homosexuals being chucked off the top of buildings in Pakistan. I'm no expert on the brain and perhaps gayness is simply an error in the code. But that error isn't the person's fault. So, as long as we can't "fix" it...should we keep telling gas they are evil and going to hell? As I see it, two consenting persons doing what makes them happy, while not hurting anyone else...is not my business.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
05 Jun 2023, 08:26
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05 Jun 2023, 08:26#28

Some of the best people that I have had the privilege to call colleagues or friends... are gay.

There are so many straight people that I have met in my life so far.. that could so easily learn some life lessons from gay people.

If it's a brain thing, then I would really like to know what is so seriously wrong with a lot of the straight people that I know, who are nowhere near as kind, gentle, considerate, selfless or caring.... compared to the gay people I know.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
05 Jun 2023, 08:42
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05 Jun 2023, 08:42#29

The LGBTQ push these days is just becoming way too confusing and toxic.....

As with any movement, you will always have your genuine participants who want to advocate for their equal rights, and power to them for it.... but the direction that they are taking this whole organization is just pathetic and ridiculous.

When you can identify as a female, and actually live in a girls college dormitory.....but then get physically aroused and walk around with an erection when you see naked girls, in that same dormitory.... then you must realize just how fucked up society is.

Or, how about identifying as a female now, but you are a male.... only to realize after a year of transitioning, that now realize that you are actually a female, and you transition back to being a male.

How about a male, identifying as female, getting locked up in a female prison, and then making two female occupants of that same prison, pregnant.....I just cannot understand any form of reason or logic from anybody, on how or why they believe that that is normal in any way.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Jun 2023, 09:59
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05 Jun 2023, 09:59#30
Everybody is always so sure. This side is sure that side is wrong and the same goes for the other side thinking this side is wrong.
Doesn't logic dictate that was is "right" is probably in the middle somewhere?
How does one take something as complex and conscious, and then be so sure that one group is completely wrong?
Personally, I've always seen myself as a divisive character, but these days I constantly find myself being slap bang in the middle. It's a sign of the times I suppose. The vast majority of us are in the middle but we're boring and unheard of because the algorithms favor extreme views.
People are so worried about general AI... like they don't realise how special AI has already screwed the world up. To my mind, we need general objective AI to bring things back closer to the middle again.
I mean, not to change the topic, but these social media algorithms, they're completely hidden and nobody knows what is going on under the hood. With General AI, you can't see the code but you can derive from its answers what is going on and whether it's being fair, objective and truthful. 
Not too long from now, you will be able to ask ChatGPT for a detailed analysis of studies involving things such as sex changes and their success rates relating to mental health. It won't be allowed to lie to you, while social media algorithms are too easily manipulated to pump a particular narrative.
So that's the question...will general chat-based AI save us from special AI?
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Jun 2023, 10:09
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05 Jun 2023, 10:09#31

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Moonrover

Bok regular

1031 posts

Jun 05, 2023, 04:37

Blobok is a paedophile"


What a terrible thing to say. I know we are all on different sides of the fence from time to time and sometimes get frustrated with some posters' opinions, but there's no need to cross the line of common decency. I've been posting with Blob on this and another board for close to 15 years and we had and continue to have our differences, but there's absolutely no reason to accuse him of something so despicable...come now Rover, that's not the Christian way...and you know it...we can't expect others to accept "our" Way as the right way if we set a poor example...

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
05 Jun 2023, 10:11
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05 Jun 2023, 10:11#32

Doesn't logic dictate that was is "right" is probably in the middle somewhere?

In most cases probab ly, but in a hell of a lot of other cases.... not even close.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Jun 2023, 10:13
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05 Jun 2023, 10:13#33

here sa ChatGPT response, concerning mental well-being and gender transitioning... notice the difference between what it is saying and what social media platform algorithms are pushing...

"While there is a body of research indicating positive mental health outcomes for individuals who undergo gender-affirming surgery, it is also important to acknowledge that not all studies have consistent findings, and some individuals may still face ongoing mental health challenges. It is true that there have been studies that have reported persistent mental health issues and increased suicide rates among some transgender individuals, even after undergoing gender-affirming procedures. It is a complex and multifaceted issue, and the experiences of transgender individuals can vary widely.

One study published in 2011 in the journal PLOS ONE found that transgender individuals who had undergone gender-affirming surgery had a significantly higher risk of suicide attempts compared to the general population. Another study published in 2016 in JAMA Surgery reported that while the majority of transgender individuals experienced improvements in psychological distress after gender-affirming surgery, a subset of individuals did not experience significant improvement or experienced worsening distress.

It is essential to recognize that mental health is influenced by various factors beyond surgical interventions, including social support, access to appropriate healthcare, discrimination, and individual circumstances. It is also important to note that not all studies have had consistent findings, and more research is needed to fully understand the long-term effects of gender-affirming surgery on mental well-being.

If you or someone you know is struggling with mental health issues or experiencing thoughts of self-harm, it is crucial to seek professional help from mental health providers who specialize in working with transgender individuals. They can provide appropriate support, guidance, and resources."

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