House of Lords to be Abolished - The End of the Feudal Era?

So The Labour Party in the UK has proposed dismantling the House of Lords if/when they win the next election. It looks like of foregone conclusion... Torries Polls are at the lowest they have ever been. 
 
The House of Lords would be replaced with an elected body. 
Members of House of Lords are in line to the throne and have been above the law, at least by 21st-century Democratic standards.
The throne itself may even be abolished now that the queen has died. 

Cronyism (during Covid in particular) seems to be the motive to end this outdated body. 
Any investigations of misappropriation of funds and health contracts like PPE went up in thin air, showing that UK politicians are above the law. 

The House of "Commoners" could be rebranded to "The House"

Brexit was really about the Richest 3% being able to get away with paying as little tax as possible, as the EU are clamping down on the rich not paying tax. It shows that the conservative government cannot be trusted to act in the Democratic interests of society.

The Eton gang have also favoured London over other areas to keep the sleaze money deals close to their chests, so the plan is to decentralise government more - a bit like states inside the US. More federal areas with control over their own budgets. 

The economy has had slow growth period during the Conservative era, although arguably it started before this -  during the ( 2009? onwards) financial crash. 

Wonderful - the crazy example of the USA and the crazy actions of the Democrats will reign supreme in the UK too?   The kings and queens have no real power in democracies - they are merely there to be above politics and a unifying element in democracies and that will be gone by abolishing the monarchies.   In most countries with monarchies they are supported by the wider population because the people realize what politics do to countries without any unifying factors.  It reduce the head of state position to be divisive politicians - often with dictatorial ambitions like the US President who rules by mandates and regulations issued by bureaucrats and not by the supposed legislative branch of Government.

There are indeed support for the concept of having a unifying figure as head of state and that is what in the eyes of politicians is wrong - they want all the power being carried out by them and nobody else.    The Laborites  are now popular amongst the voters -  basically because of factors outside of control of the ruling parties like worldwide inflation and in the case of the UK the idiocy of the ruling Conservatives - not about the policies of the Labor Party.    In the UK they are lucky to be in opposition to the ruling party - in Europe their fellow leftists in other countries have been defeated in elections or will have no chance of re-election in future.    

Most people are sick and tired of the ruling political elite and since the monarchs in democracies are not political they are not regarded being part of the political ruling class divisive enemies of their own people.   

The latest restructuring we are seeing is the ruling class grasping hold of more power. Sadly, the masses are too fixated on the Punch and Judy show to realise how lost they truly are. One side believes they are fighting against it, the other is fighting for it in the name of freedom and justice. 

Labour are not currently in power and their power is derived from the working class who are Labour's traditional voting base.

Stav

I agree with you there - the House of Lords should be an elected body - but SB wrote about abandoning of the feudal system - which is just a dream he has of it still existing.   I believe an elected house of Lords based on elected representatives can have a beneficial effect.   In many countries the control of Parliament's irresponsible conduct are limited by a Senate controlled by a different Party.    It could eliminate some antics in the House of Parliament   based on narrow party interests and not necessarily on the interests of the voters.   

I am in favor of some balancing of power in the legislature to ensure real democracy endures.       

Labour/Democrat; Conservative/Republican. Punch and Judy for the masses. Two hands, One Body. The ruling class. Nobody sees it. 

DumbMike, the House of Lords is a remanent of the feudal era, it is it NOT a Democratically elected body. Replacing it with an elected body is clearly a step forward. 

The Lords represented their own interests, and backhand deals were par for the course. It has been their bread and butter for centuries. Having two parliament legislatives is hardily Democratic. 

SB

You missed the p[lot totally as expected - I did not and never will support a body like the House of Lords - maybe I agree with General Pienaar when he said if there is one thing he hates it is an English Lord  and if there s one thing he hates and despise it is English Lords who commands armies.   It went so far as he saying  "Voertsek Generaal" when they gave him BS instructions.

Where I differ from you is the abolition of the monarchy and I gave reasons for the difference.   A typical example is Biden as Head of State and Head of Government.   Queen Eizabeth was not a genius - neither is King Charles - but they never were imbecilic like the ultra-corrupt Biden i s - the latter's main achievement on international level being farting before royalty.           

Both Labour and Tories are ruled by WEF Globalist operatives. Both are working hard on population replacement via open borders and crashing the economy via the war on energy underpinned by the man made climate change hoax.

I see Germany is also waging a war on fertilizer  Its all according the The WEF Globalists Great Reset. What does that entail. Well it requires that the world economies crash and then its Build back better ie the reset element.

The idea is to ultimately gain absolute control over humanity. Hence digital passports, surveillance, control over bank accounts, censorship, social credit scores and really the ability to shut down anybody not supporting their narrative. It involves the stripping away of democratic liberties and using the state against individuals eg America. It also involves demoralizing a nation by disgusting perversions and wokeness.

It involves depopulization. Hence again the war on energy, the war on food, war itself, abortions, assisted suicides (Eg Canada) Plandemic, deadly vaxx, mutilation and sterilization of children via trans ideology, promotion of LGBT. 

WEF front man Klaus Schwab called us useless eaters. He says the world population must be reduced to 1 billion people. The economic crash they desire is to strip you of your assets so that by 2030 " You will own nothing and be happy".

WEF operatives control some 56 countries and Klaus Schwab boasts openly about this.

They ae becoming masters at rigging elections as we saw in the USA, and Brazil, The Globalist media brain wash gullible unthinking people on a daily basis.

King Charles like PM Sunak are full on Globalists. The Royal Family are no friend o the British people. Britain is being destroyed as is the USA, Canada and the EU. They hate the White races and civilizations they have built. The Globalist hate genuine democracy, law and order free speech and the nation state.  These values are imbedded in Western Civilization and spring from the Judeo Christian heritage. They are anathema to the Globalist. Hence their attack on these countries.

Again I say why is what the WEF is saying not important. Why do some here ignore them completely.

Congrats to Alucard who understands that like the USA, Britain is ruled by the establishment Uniparty.  Some people in Britain think Labour will bring back better days. How many times people end up bitterly disappointed after changing governments and yet they still don't get it. Both parties betray the British people. 

It is sad to see a great people like the British being destroyed. Only a great Awakening and perhaps even revolution can save these countries. But always one gets back to Rev 13.

Anybody not understanding the bout has has very little clue as to what is going on in the world today and ultimately where things are heading.

Very heartened to see on Twitter so many people are awake!

SB

You talk about Government racketeering in the UK - it is small change as to what is happening in the USA.    One only has to look at the USA military assistance to what is happening.   $40 billion allocated - $30 billion spent - arms valued at $9 billion delivered to Ukraine - arms valued at $3 billion reached the Ukraine army.   Where did the rest of the money go.   

The same can be said of Covid funding.   Billions went to hospitals where it was not needed and vanished into thin air.   At least $300 million in kickbacks to politicians and Democrat politicians alone.    Sorry I am wrong Cheyne and a couple of other Republicans are also involved in the kick back system.

That makes Democracy looking very, very sick.   Aristotle said Democracy can be abused and today in countries like the USA it is raped and not only abused.             

Beeno

Klaus Schwab is a very dangerous individual when it comes to undermining of Democracy in the world.   Some of his early associates  in the 1970's and 1980's were closely involved in running of the EU - were fully-fledged Nazi's in their youth (eg  members of the Nazi Youth league) and that in itself is a danger to democracy.   Schwab's idea that a few elite people should run the world and that the population should have no say in governance is the essence of dictatorial rule in the world.   He is an essential part of the Davos clique.

SB is also an enemy of the ordinary people and he is very much advocating their ideas on this - but he is no danger himself sicne he is a brainashed idiot himself.   site.   

Whether in the end the people of the world accept the destruction of freedom is another question.   In the meantime the ultra-rich in the USA are in near total control of the US Government and their Democrat puppets are trying desperately to destroy Democracy in the USA.           

I see Germany is also waging a war on fertilizer

The Globalists are teaming up to beat horse manure. Beeno and DumbMike are surplus to the requirements of the 21st century.

They should be teleported back thousands of years, along with the Taliban etc.

 $40 billion allocated - $30 billion spent - arms valued at $9 billion delivered to Ukraine - arms valued at $3 billion reached the Ukraine army.   Where did the rest of the money go.   

Can you provide evidence to back up that claim?

Also if true, it would suggest the Russian's are really shit at warfare if the Ukrainian's can beat them back only using less than a third of the military aid sent to them. Those Ukrainian's solider must be like the Space Marines from Warhammer 40,000K.

DumbMike does not need evidence, he does not think logically. He decides what he wants to believe, and makes things up to convince himself of his own BS

SB

Knows fuck-all about everything and specialize in writing BS on site.   I was merely referring to the factual situation as to the USA arms assistance to Ukraine showing that the abuses were far greater than in the UK.   It is factual and the House has already asked for an audit as to where the money went.   It is not a request by Republicans in the House only - a number of Democrats are party to the motion to have a auduit and paper trail study done to determine what went wrong.

As to the  delivery of arms to Ukraine the figures came from answers to questions  asked in the Senate and the answers provided under oath as to the delivery of arms to Ukraine was provided  by a Defense Force Officer - so it is factual as well.

Another issue is that the House are going to investigate Faucci (Dr Death) as well after he lied under oath in a court affidavit - which clashed totally with documents he was forced to provide to the Court in question.   

You would not read anything about the above in the fake media you use in submissions to this site - and has no evidence to substantiate your BS based on media lies and distortions.         

Stav 

The evidence came from evidence provided under oath by a Defense Force officer in a Senate Hearing about a month ago.   There is a program on the internet where you can find evidence provided under oath in the Senate and House.

As to the audit of the money trail relating to the $30 million of the 40 million spent in the House - submitted by both the Republicans and some Democrat members of the House.   

People are afraid to lie in the Senate and House when under oath since it could end up in a prison sentence of 10 years and the figures in fact was provided under oath - so one must expect that they are factual.

Incidentally it was in evidence under oath that the Deputy Secretary of State admitted there are bio-labs in Ukraine involved in study of dangerous pathogens and that the US Government is afraid that the pathogens study may fall in the hands of the Russians, but their is nothing dangerous about the pathogens.   If the latter is the case why is the US Government worried that it may that the Russians may get hold of it.   By the way the propaganda implied that the US and Ukraine are working together to close the USSR bio-labs - but after 30 years there is no evidence that any bio-labs have in fact been closed.   In  other evidence under oath it came out that          

If you are going to be logical about it, why have a king. Despite all the talk Charles is clearly a mediocre and morally weak man, to say nothing of his brother.

Sweep the whole thing away? Tempting, but it’s so tied up with British culture and entertainment. Would anybody watch all those delightful soaps on the Tudors if there was no monarchy. So perhaps not a good idea.

Viewed in that context blowing up the Lords just diminishes the fairy tale.  TheCommons is an elected body which ensures a representative government. Lords is a bottle neck which occasionally is a good thing.

Or throw out the whole hereditary apparatus including that tit King Charles

The evidence came from evidence provided under oath by a Defense Force officer in a Senate Hearing about a month ago.   There is a program on the internet where you can find evidence provided under oath in the Senate and House.

Can you please link to that program please. I've heard the claim that was made that only 30-40% of military aid was reaching the Ukrainian front line but that wasn't from a Defense Force officer in a Senate hearing.

The 30-40% claim was made by Jonas Ohman founder and CEO of a Lithuania based aid organization Blue-Yellow.

“No, I never meant that some aid was stolen or disappeared. These are words taken out of context. I did not say that and I did not mean that. I said that the efficiency of the support mechanism at that point, in the second month of the war [in April] was maybe 30-40% of what I would like to see.”

“I can give you an example. I know that in many cases aid was not supplied to people directly on the frontline but to other units. There were distribution issues, problems within the system of distribution, problems with logistics. Of course, everybody needs it but who should receive first?”

“That’s my assessment from a point sitting in a car three months ago. I don’t have full access to the full situation but know some things from my work with the military.”

Two other things to note there is no sign so far of any weapons sent to Ukraine having ending up on the black marke t. The American have also sent Brigadier General Garrick M. Harmon in an official capacity to Ukraine to monitor the use of military aid.