How mathematics points to God

Oxford Mathematics Professor explains. 

I think he hones in on the major areas. 

What an utterly hopeless poison the foolish atheists find themselves in. 

I have asked these loons for years to explain how nothing could create a Universe. They are still thinking about it Bwahahahaha.

Yes the 3.4 billion letter human genome also destroys these atheistic fools. 

They are done. 

Maths is a great enemy of macro-evolutionists, as there is no randomness found in mathematics, and it's the foundation of all of creation.

How so. Mathematics are an abstraction and a model to try to get a grasp on what used to be called the natural world ( that is by ancient definition what could exist once humanity is taken away) Have their own limitations and by design, are less than what they are used to.

When attempting, usually, a number of mathematical principles (postulates) are screened out as essential to build a cohesive model.

It is fully possible to build cohesive models relying on other basic principles. The models obviously do not apply to the current natural world.

This being possible does not mean that other natural worlds exist.

Liberals worship science. They lend to science properties science does not have.

A rocket scientist could work all day designing rockets and during nightime, write a blog claiming that gravity does not exist.

Science does not prevent people from denying.

Liberals deny.

Just liberals?

Plenty of wingnuts on here denying reality along with everything else.

And once again beenshit what made your God (I know he gets a free pass because you can't explain how he came into being) and what did your God make the universe out of again, oh that's right he made it out of nothing. 

And yes the greatest minds are thinking about it which is more than you can claim.

Beenshit: magic man done it, shuts brain off again for another 50 years

I don't  know, I find the God of the Bible to be a laughable position to take. The whole Christian religion is obviously a man made fairy tale.

Now the possibility of some powerful being (possibly a god) is something I have not excluded. (But seems unlikely to me)

Now go on plum prove the universe was created by someone since you are so confident it was created.

Strange why we have to explain everything yet the God botherers can just go God did it and end of story.

How did a god do it? Do you have a shred of proof to back up this general claim?

And again who created him and what did he create the universe out of if it had nothing to make it out of?

So what created it? (Or should I say whom)

If the universe was created there must have been a creator before the universe so who created that?

The biggest issue I see about a creator is for every creator you had to have a creator. This  just seems a endless line which answers absolutely nothing.

Your own line of thought demands a being to create something but this is impossible as it points to an endless  solution which answers nothing

No god you'll find in any religious text, I'll guarantee you that.

They'll no' get him a' in a book I think
Though they write it cunningly;
No mouse of the scrolls was the Goodly Fere
But aye loved the open sea.

………Ezra Pound

Poor old crust he certainly is mentally challenged. 

Old crust if the was always nothing there would be nothing now. Only an eternal being explains the fact a universe exists. No old crust the universe didn't create itself out of nothing. You cannot have an infinite regression. 

Please ask you dad to explain this to you. 

Man what a simpleton poor old crust is.hshahaha.

The Woke Power of CHAT GPT destroys Beeno's belief.

The relationship between mathematics and God is a topic that has been explored by philosophers and theologians throughout history. While mathematics itself does not provide direct proof of the existence of God, some argue that there are intriguing connections and patterns in mathematics that suggest a deeper order or intelligence behind the universe.

Here are a few ways in which mathematics has been considered to point to God:

1. Beauty and elegance:
Many mathematicians describe mathematical concepts and equations as possessing a certain beauty and elegance. They often speak of being awe-inspired by the elegance and simplicity of mathematical truths. Some see this beauty as a reflection of a higher intelligence or divine source.

2. The order and regularity of the universe:
Mathematics is often used to describe and understand the natural world. The fact that the laws of physics can be expressed in elegant mathematical equations has led some to believe that the order and regularity found in the universe are indications of a higher power or intelligent designer.

3. Fine-tuning and the anthropic principle:
Some argue that the precise mathematical constants and relationships in the universe, such as the gravitational constant or the strength of the electromagnetic force, appear to be "fine-tuned" in such a way that allows life to exist. This fine-tuning, they suggest, could be seen as evidence of an intelligent designer who set the conditions for life to emerge.

4. Gödel's incompleteness theorems:
Gödel's incompleteness theorems, discovered by mathematician Kurt Gödel in the 20th century, have been interpreted by some as suggesting the existence of a transcendent realm beyond formal mathematics. These theorems show that within any consistent axiomatic system, there are statements that cannot be proven or disproven within that system. Some philosophers and theologians have seen this as an indication that there are truths or principles that transcend the limitations of formal mathematics and point to a higher reality.

It's important to note that these arguments are philosophical and theological interpretations of the relationship between mathematics and God. They are not mathematical proofs of God's existence. The topic of God's existence is complex and multifaceted, and different people may interpret the significance of mathematics in different ways. Ultimately, whether or not mathematics points to God is a matter of personal belief and interpretation.

The universe had a starting point 13B years ago, so something had to cause it...physics 101...God is eternal He did not have a starting point so wasn't created...that's the theory...the question is, if He is indeed eternal and existed forever, why did he wait till only 13B years ago before creating everything? ...there are so many things we don't know and it's simply not good enough to explain it all away with a "God" hypothesis...that's the lazy way out and not why I'm a believer...

"and yet we think the idea of a Consciousness Who somehow fine-tuned everything to facilitate this improbable existence is impossible?...highly improbable, but nothing is impossible"

I agree, however this whole eternal topic doesn't make sense.

If you were an eternal being, why would you deliberately create everything you do, to have a limited  lifespan....and in some cases...very very short ones.

For instance, to compare it, if you were the eternal being, and you created a human being, who each only lived for 100 years, at a real push, an individual human being would then live for about a billionth of a billionth of a decimal of a second, of the creators life..... so why bother creating it.

God is eternal, you know this how, you are making a baseless claim and just expect us to swallow it as a plausible explanation. We can all make any baseless claims if all we have to do is like the idea of it 

If a god can be eternal then why not everything that makes up the universe is eternal and has always existed, all your doing is adding another layer

And I notice beenshit continues to ignore such a basic question, what did god make the universe out of? If everything existed for a god to use then it is equally plausible that a god is not required.

Draad how do you know God waited 13 billion years to create anything. You have absolutely nothing to base that on. You have no idea what has happened in eternity. Nor do you understand eternity as God does. 13 billion years is nothing in terms of eternity

Draad there are many evidences that this 13 biilion years story looks to be a complete fiction perpetrated in an attempt to give some plausibility to the now defunct evolutionary nonsense.

Explain how the 3.4 billion letter human genome evolved. How each stand of of DNA contains the equivalent of 300 volumes of encyclopedia Brittanica INFORMATION. 

As former  atheist world leader Antony Flu stated it was the INFORMATION  in biology, notably the human genome, that led him to God. Information implies intelligence. Information dors not come about by random processes. 

Perhaps it's the lack of intelligence by some here that stops them seeing tbe truth. Hahahahahaha. 

I await another classic from old crust. Who created God the dumb cluck asks. Bwahahahahahaha what will the loo. Come up with next!!!!!

Just liberals?

As a reminder, what is reported as liberals is not the political subfaction known as liberals and opposed to conservatives.

Liberals are believers in the political philosophy known as liberalism, a set of beliefs that was born during the enlightment times.

The US have been a liberal nation since their inception (and nothing else) contrary to many other countries around the world and this no matter what the polical faction in charge (democrats, republicans that did not even exist at start of the US)

Plenty of wingnuts on here denying reality along with everything else.

When people hold several sets of beliefs that are not compatible, and when they take decisions based on beliefs, one set of beliefs must prevail and crush the others.

This OP is an example.

In ancient Greece, people were questing for something they named sophos and they revered people who dedicated their life in trying, philosophers.

When Christians came to Greece, it is known theirs beliefs were trashed in agoras, they were ridiculed.

Accordingly, the Bible contains a warning about the quest for sophos (philosophy) Christians must not trust philosophy.

Here's the moment: ancient Greeks did not know of science as it is known now, science was itself part of philosophy, a means to seek sophos.

The division between mathematics, physics, biology etc were unknown to them, all of these were part of philosophy.

Here's a guy who claimed that he turned christian thanks to mathematics whereas being a christian means not relying on mathematics to assess, evaluate the one god.

It is empty. A Christian would look for evidences of their one god elsewhere than mathematics as told to do by the Bible.

Christianity commends not to trust philosophy in One god's matters.

This guy has been convinced to be a Christian by philosophy.

This guy is a Christian.

This high tolerance to contradiction is the trademark of a liberal mindset.

This guy is a liberal and a christian, anytime Christianity conflicts with his liberal beliefs, he rules in favour of liberalism.

The universe had a starting point 13B years ago, so something had to cause it...physics 101

No. If anything that must be taught by science is the own limitations of science.

Causality has a limited domain of validity. It does not apply at the quantic level.

Causality is a human attempt to grasp things.

The universe may not have a cause to its start. It just started.

It never misses.

Liberals are hooked to power. They must control over speech.

One strategy: gallopping.

They line non argument over non argument.

The universe must have a creator, it is fine tuned etc

When fine tuning is another perception of human beings. It means nothing in the natural world.

Things happen whether they are perceived as fine tuned by humans or not.

One other observation:

the heist achieved by Abrahamic religions on the notion of god.

Even if science could determine the existence of a god, it does not mean that it is the one god.

Yet anytime something surfaces, it must be the one god.

It is blasphemy.

The existence of a god is proven, it must be the one god places the one god under the god that has been proven.

Christians, Jews, Muslims can prove only their god, nothing else. Elements that points at the existence of a god without explicitly showing it is their god are blasphemous.

Plum you can call something with a start a creation but it does not mean someone created it.

A river bed in your definition is a creation but water is not someone, same goes for mountains formed by plate tectonics, beaches created by waves etc. 

4.3 billion years ago the earth was formed by natural processes again no one created it.

As for something eternal do we know that anything eternal actually exists?

I see beenshit side steps the question and resorts to his usual insult hurling to hide the fact he has no idea what he is talking about. Not unexpected from any moron that is a young earth believer. Takes an extra ordinary level of gullibility and stupidity to believe that load of garbage.

"Draad how do you know God waited 13 billion years to create anything. You have absolutely nothing to base that on. You have no idea what has happened in eternity"

You mean, just like you have absolutely no idea that your "eternity" may or could have only been 100 000 years ago.

Beenz, the point is that we do not know and I for one don't think the whole Biblical timeline is intended literally...there are lots of parables etc (it's not important either)..., but the point isn't that either...my point was that we don't know why and how exactly, the Bible isn't there to explain everything in detail, it's for the important stuff and some background...as Christians we focus on the important stuff...like the Gospels and what Jesus taught.

So there is no consensus or even remote agreement amongst mathematicians that maths points to God.

That does not mean there is no God - just that mathematicians in general have not stated this.

You can believe what you want to believe, but you cant make it a fact. You will accept science only when it supports what you believe. (E.g. one random mathematician that is more of a school teacher than an acclaimed mathematician).

What about the other 99.9% of mathematicians - or even the widely acclaimed ones?
The only way this person is even known - is that he stands out from the other scientists because he is a happy clappy - basically unscientific.   

You know the type, hate science and quick to shoot it down but when some fringe nutcase fudges the data to appear to support their cause they all stand up and shout look science proves God. 

Bloody insanity from lunatics is what it is

as Christians we focus on the important stuff...like the Gospels and what Jesus taught.

Complex Order out total chaos makes absolutely no scientific sense at all...let alone the high level of sophistication in even some of the most basic life forms...random chance? I call BS!

An all mighty powerful being that winked into existance then flicked his fingers to create the universe, I call BS.

I beginning to old crust is very dumb. No help for a low IQ. 

Smart question Plum but clearly wasted on the hapless old crust. 

Draad I have a pretty lengthy explanation of the 7 days of Genesis based on Prof Lennox's great Book 7 days that divide the World

In brief Lennox goes into the Genesis 1 and shows that different Hebrew words are used for days and certainly do not mean literal 24 hour periods. He proves this by showing how these same words are used in other parts of scripture. 

The Bible doesn't teach the world was made in seven days and the Bible do es not say how old the earth is. I hammered home this point some years ago. 

As for a young earth I gave numerous scientific reasons why this earth could be a lot younger than thought. 

Given the current crises in the world I don't have time to rehash this all for poor old crust as if he could grasp it all in any case. The poor mong hasn't got off first base yet. Bwahahahaha what a halfwit! 

Beenshit showing his lack of intelligence once again, what a doofus.

Hard to believe idiots like this exist in this day and age.

Tell me beenshit what's it like to live in a cave?

"An all mighty powerful being that winked into existance then flicked his fingers to create the universe, I call BS."

Like I said numerous times before...the idea of the "old bearded man in the clouds" doing magic tricks to to create e everything is juvenile and I don't know any Christians believing that, so yes, BS indeed...Christianity might have some odea about Him, but His true nature is way beyond human comprehension...we don't even begin to understand His creation, we can only marvel at it's wonder...

Yet plenty of Christian claim they know exactly  what he wants and expects from us and yet every one seem to know but can't even agree amongst themselves.

If you lot can't agree how do you expect us unbelievers to think any of you know what you are talking about.

You think an all powerful God would at least get his followers to agree would you?

Stop telling me how stupid I a....you forget that I have a lifetime of experience behind me (onlt 52 years)...it's not as simple as you might think...I've come to realize that "this is the way"...I'm not saying my truth is for everyone,  but I'm 100% sure that the core of it is real and that the world just doesn't make sense without it...it's not a cruch and I'm not "in it" for some kind of afterlife...there's a right  way and a wrong way and even Atheists know when something is wrong, if they would admit it or not...they know...