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I'm not sure how

Started by Denny117 REPLIES6,097 VIEWS· 17 Jan 2024, 23:10
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jan 2024, 23:10
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17 Jan 2024, 23:10#1

it will all pan out with Donnie boy having to face 81 further charges but I chance that he'll be found guilty on at least some of them with probability of a jail sentence. If that happens and I sincerely hope it does my question is....will he be able to pardon himself? One thing for sure is that he'll pardon the deplorables who caused the riot on his incitement .


Disgusting.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2024, 01:43
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18 Jan 2024, 01:43#2

...interesting he can only pardon someone if he's president...you saying there's a chance?... I'm not too sure...I think he's time has past...too much baggage. 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Jan 2024, 01:51
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18 Jan 2024, 01:51#3

He'll let you know that he can run the presidency from the dungeons of Alcatraz. If all he has to beat is blithering Biden then he's more than a chance.....as a betting man I'd say he's a sure thing. 'Course with the two of them the American voter is caught between a rock and a hard place.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2024, 02:05
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18 Jan 2024, 02:05#4

...it was fun, but it ain't funny anymore...look, I never liked him before he started running for president...actually disliked him very much...I hated "The Apprentice",  but somehow started to like him since...and it was entertaining,  but this division isn't good for the world...I'll still take him over Biden, Harris or Newsom in a heartbeat.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jan 2024, 05:39
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18 Jan 2024, 05:39#5
Is it Trump or the media that divides the world? Trust me, if Trump was a deep stage stooge with CNN and MSNBC giving him the same grace they afford Biden, half the people here that apparently don't like him would have a totally different view. It's called letting others decide what you think and I can't respect people that fall at the first hurdle like that.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2024, 06:09
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18 Jan 2024, 06:09#6

The Bidens of this world are career politicians.

What's Trump's resume .............. born with a silver spoon in the gob & a

checkered business career, culminating as a loudmouth tv host

Now this proven f'wit wants another go as Prez of the world's top nation.

Fck him, he had his opportunity & blew it.

Sy gat se moer .


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
18 Jan 2024, 06:21
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18 Jan 2024, 06:21#7

Trump must be the luckiest person in the world.... he really is

He is the most investigated president that the US have ever seen in the history of their existence...

His son has also testified in front of the congressional committee... something which Hunter Biden still resolutely refuses to do..

Trump and his entire family have been attacked, falsely accused, misaligned, misrepresented, misquoted.... and yet he himself continues to fully fight for the people, the corporate companies and the large organizations in the USA ... like no other president has ever done before.

Like it or not, Trump got the USA back on track like never seen before .... with reformed trade deals with China and other countries.... ensuring that goods and products were being made back on US soil and not out sourcing to cheaper labour in other countries...... he obliterated ISIS in a quick and effective manner ....put sable rattling leaders like North Korea in their place....and gave all participating nations in NATO a heads up and put them all on notice that they must increase their financial percentage towards NATO and not rely so heavily on the huge monies that came from the USA.

He can be an arrogant narcissistic and egotistical prick ...... but some people just cannot see past his personal and "public" persona and see what he did get right...

Since Twitter exposed so much evidence regarding what happened during the Trump and Biden presidencies, as well as the Hilary email debacle.... and the Russia collusion shyte.....and the dossier about the strippers.....it is clear as mud that the media itself did a bloody fantastic job at unnecessarily smearing Trump and his entire family and turning so many people against him... if Trump didn't already do that himself.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2024, 06:44
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18 Jan 2024, 06:44#8

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2024, 06:50
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18 Jan 2024, 06:50#9

Saarkie description of Trump's spot on ................ a grifter.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Jan 2024, 09:18
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18 Jan 2024, 09:18#10

I really don't know how anyone can dismiss or make light work of the fact that Donnie boy instigated a riot in which 19 innocent people were directly or indirectly affected and of that 19 people 5 were killed.....all of it streamed live into our lounge rooms. Let alone turning on loyal VP Pence, threw him under a bus with the deplorables shrieking "Kill Pence" 

There, all the proof you'll want..... for some.... seemingly not for others.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2024, 09:47
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18 Jan 2024, 09:47#11

If & when he loses next year ............... guess what?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Jan 2024, 09:58
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18 Jan 2024, 09:58#12

Tell me......don't keep me in suspense.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
18 Jan 2024, 10:22
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18 Jan 2024, 10:22#13

"I really don't know how anyone can dismiss or make light work of the fact that Donnie boy instigated a riot in which 19 innocent people were directly or indirectly affected and of that 19 people 5 were killed"

It really is quite basic and simple to understand ..... he was acquitted again ....... of all charges..... relating to the riot

There, all the proof you'll want..... for some.... seemingly not for others.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Jan 2024, 11:06
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18 Jan 2024, 11:06#14

"........he was acquitted again...."

Really?

How so if he's yet to stand trial.

dearie, dearie me

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
18 Jan 2024, 11:22
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18 Jan 2024, 11:22#15

We all know this stupidity of yours comes naturally to you ........ but you really are trying very hard today....

Learn to read or investigate issues properly before posting lies and disinformation about people ......

You are exactly what we have just been referring to in this thread....... idiot

dearie, dearie me 

One Article

Another Article

And another article

What ...... another article

Oh no ..... another article

Oh my word ..... another article

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Jan 2024, 11:45
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18 Jan 2024, 11:45#16

Donald Trump was criminally indicted for a third time on Aug. 1 as a Washington grand jury voted to prosecute the former President on four counts related to his efforts to remain in power after losing the 2020 election and his role in the events leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021 storming of the U.S. Capitol. The prosecution sets up yet another complicated and explosive legal battle as Trump vies for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. 

The latest indictment, which the Justice Department announced Tuesday and references six unnamed co-conspirators, follows an investigation that stretched almost eight months by Special Counsel Jack Smith, whose team had interviewed dozens of prominent figures in Trump’s orbit, including former Vice President Mike Pence, over Trump’s efforts to disrupt the peaceful transition of power on Jan. 6. The four charges include conspiracy to defraud the government, conspiracy against the right to vote, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, and obstruction of an official proceeding.


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
18 Jan 2024, 12:37
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18 Jan 2024, 12:37#17

I said Trump was acquitted again...... and you said he wasn't.

So ...... has Trump been acquitted of inst igating or inciting the January riot ..... Yes .... or No

It is a very simple and easy question...

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AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Jan 2024, 13:31
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18 Jan 2024, 13:31#18

The Demorat hit squad that formed the "Riot of 6th January" investigation committee destroyed all the so called evidence they "fabricated" after the fact.

If any of this evidence was factual it should have been saved and presented as evidence to support all of their findings in prosecuting President Trump.

The Demorats, FBI and Nancy P are now being exposed as the drivers of the RIOT on the 6th January by their deliberate scheme of not deploying the National Guard who had been called up but stuck in a parking garage in Washington DC.

Even the Chief of Police for Congress has testified that he was not informed by the FBI or anyone about what was happening even when he made inquiries as to what security action was to be followed if one was planned.

Sorry to blow your bubbles folks but you are barking up the wrong tree once more.

Four More Years.

If you follow the current news you will have to agree that most if not all of the cases thus far presented are either going nowhere due to the corruption being exposed by Congress, the media and being driven by the White House, DOJ, FBI and the legal Demorat political operatives in NY, Georgia and around the USA.

MAGA. 

Since Trump first made it know that he was running for President of the USA in 2015 the media and the Demorats plus some of you bloggers have waged a relentless war against Trump without success.

The truth will always prevail as has been see thus far in self destruction of all  "CLAIMS of wrong doing"  by the Trump family.

Get a life and be honest with yourselves for once if it is at all possible.

The Biden's are about to be placed on the chopping block with their supporters trust you will follow the evidence and accept the outcome when the axe finally comes down.

Shame on you for letting hate blind your honesty and pride.

SIES.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
18 Jan 2024, 20:46
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18 Jan 2024, 20:46#19

Is it Trump or the media that divides the world?

Trust me, if Trump was a deep stage stooge with CNN and MSNBC giving him the same grace they afford Biden, half the people here that apparently don't like him would have a totally different view.

It's called letting others decide what you think and I can't respect people that fall at the first hurdle like that.

What makes you think posters on here watch CNN and MSNBC? As far as I know none of the posters here critical of Trump live in America so its highly unlikely they get their news primarily from either of those sources. I do occasionally check out the CNN news website but I almost never watch the news channel and I never watch or read MSNBC.
In general I don't like the style of American news channels regardless of their political leanings. Its all far too much opinion and not enough actual news. I also find them lacking when it comes to coverage of international events compared to something like the BBC.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
18 Jan 2024, 21:18
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18 Jan 2024, 21:18#20

Like it or not, Trump got the USA back on track like never seen before .... with reformed trade deals with China and other countries.... ensuring that goods and products were being made back on US soil and not out sourcing to cheaper labour in other countries...... he obliterated ISIS in a quick and effective manner ....put sable rattling leaders like North Korea in their place....and gave all participating nations in NATO a heads up and put them all on notice that they must increase their financial percentage towards NATO and not rely so heavily on the huge monies that came from the USA.

What exactly did Trump get America back on track from?

Tell me have you read what economists have said about some of Trumps foreign trade policies? Have you checked the economic numbers? GDP, inflation, unemployment rate, job gains, number of manufacturing jobs, the trade deficit. the stock market, interest rates, house prices, student loans debt. Have you done a comparison between Obama-Trump-Biden?

ISIS. Trump did a good job here. Obama degraded ISIS by about 40% and Trump the other 60%. He picked up the pace from Obama. But while he deserves credit here, its kinda of difficult to argue that any other President either Republican or Democrat would have not finished off ISIS. 

How exactly did Trump put the leader of North Korea back in his place. Trump tried to come to arrangement with Kim Jong Un and failed. North Korea went back to being North Korea. Nothing changed. I've no idea how anyone could consider that any sort of achievement for Trump.

As for the NATO claim. It simply rubbish. Multiple US President including Obama and Bush have complained about European countries not spending enough money on NATO. In fact you can go back as far back to Eisenhower in 1959 for the first President to complain about it. Its true to say Trump made a bigger deal about it but he still achieved exactly jack shit. He came over to the NATO summit, made his complaints and said he got commitments from European nations to spend more and of course his supporters lapped it up. But what actually happened was the European's simply reaffirmed their commitment to a previous pledge to spend additional money that predated Trump. Its only now in the light of Russian's invasion of Ukraine are European countries starting to hit the 2% pledge. Only 7 countries countries hit the target in 2022, 19 in 2023 and it should hit 24 by 2026.  I wonder if Trump was still President would he or his supporters have tried to take credit for it.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2024, 04:40
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19 Jan 2024, 04:40#21

Trump was legitimately elected President in 2016 and then his presidency was sabotaged. There is no way Trump conspired with Russia, it was a childish idea from the outset and after being investigated for his whole Presidency nothing was proven.

Nobody  with a grain of common sense could believe a President whose term was in doubt could accomplish much in the foreign arena.  Getting NATO to function properly, bringing North Korea back into the family of nations and ensuring fair play on the part of China were massive asks…..ambitious but important goals. 

With the country behind him some progress could have been made, but to the last days of his Presidency he was hounded. Still the reset with China was overdue and is now an accepted policy goal.

Trump’s agenda was right, even extending to the border which even ardent Democrats now see as a big issue. So to say that he failed is simply to not see the obstacles in his path. And those obstacles were there at the outset, not the result of anything he did as President.

It would take a saint not to be affected by such treatment and the Donald is no saint. I have no idea why he never spoke to the nation and set the record straight. That was the winning play if he could strike the right tone.

Instead in his election run up he became more strident, losing the debates with unattractive aggression. And then on January 6 he lost the plot. I don’t for a second think he was instigating a coup…but going outside the political process was dangerous.

If the Donald had accepted the election results he would now be a very likely winner in November. But his actions in not doing so were not Presidential and I continue to believe he won’t win the election.

The latest National Polls have Trump leading Biden by 1%…which doesn’t reflect the district by district voting composition, but tells you it’s on a knife edge. The Democrats are masters of these close elections and Trump is a huge motivator for them. It’s a great pity for the country and the world that Trump and Biden are likely to be the candidates.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Jan 2024, 05:57
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19 Jan 2024, 05:57#22

What makes you think posters on here watch CNN and MSNBC? As far as I know none of the posters here critical of Trump live in America so its highly unlikely they get their news primarily from either of those sources.

Not sure where else. There's very little coverage of American politics in local news and papers, just an occasional piece. We do have sattelite TV over here that broadcast CNN, among others, 24 hours a day.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Jan 2024, 06:10
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19 Jan 2024, 06:10#23
He did indeed blow it. But let's remember that there were people here, who really listened and obeyed when they when they were told what to believe...long before Trump blew it. Virtually since day 1 of his presidency. The Russia hoax, peeing on a stripper, drinking bleach...they believed everything that the media told them about Trump. They believed all the interpretations of his words and any rumour that CNN circulated about him just added to how sure they were that Orange Man was bad. Those insufferable numpties that got them selves completely brainwashed. If you were one of those people, you know who you are, when you look back now...don't you feel just a little silly? CNN said Trump colluded with Russia...and you actually believed it to be true. I mean, because yes, Trump had some secret deal with Russia, a far inferior country to the US...to what?...Destroy America? To kill all the politicians and make Trump president for life? To pay Trump billions for pictures of Hillary's underwear? And as it turned out, Hillary actually paid for the report that served as the basis for the investigation into Trump. And it was a fake report. And there were countless problems and irregularities with the investigative process...human rights abuses and other crimes being committed along the way. There are many more occasions where many posters pretty much just repeated what the news told them. As much as they will deny it today, they never had much to back it up with other than "Man on the tele said so". And it makes you realise how fragile people's sense of self, right and wrong, credibility, and mental resilience actually is. I mean, here we have Denny...claiming Trump tried to start an insurrection. Yes, of course, Denny, a few hundred rednecks, with some agent provocateurs among them, are going to overthrow the United States government. And they'll do it while unarmed too. You really believe that? You honestly believe it was an insurrection? You know you don't. It's very simple. Trump was not a deep state bureaucrat stooge, like Hillary or Biden. He embarrassed them by winning and they mobilised media and unions against him. It's not rocket science. Anybody with an average level of intelligence should relatively easily be able to conclude that between Trump and the unelected agencies running US, the latter is far more dangerous. No? Well, they got in your head didn't they? Had they pushed the opposite message and told you how great Trump was, you'd have bought that too. They committed crimes that I detailed above...but that doesn't bother you...because Trump is the enemy so crimes against him are alright. It's funny to me that people claiming Putin is so evil and how wrong it is that he uses State power against political adversaries, are totally fine when it happens to people they have been told not to like. Stooges!!!!!!!
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Jan 2024, 08:51
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19 Jan 2024, 08:51#24

Not sure where else. There's very little coverage of American politics in local news and papers, just an occasional piece. We do have sattelite TV over here that broadcast CNN, among others, 24 hours a day.

Yes you can get them most American news channels on satellite but they are not the primary news source for people outside of America. I'd imagine their countries national and local new stations are where the majority get their news from.

In the UK, there is the BBC, (which strangely I believes is rated as the most trusted news source in America), ITV, Channel 4 News, Sky News.

Over in Ireland we have all the British news channels and additionally the regional BBC News Northern Ireland but the main Irish news sources would be RTE and Virgin.

I'd watch RTE and BBC quite a bit and read their websites often enough but simply because of the size of the organization I'd read the BBC more when it comes to world events, they simply have the capacity to cover a lot more.

When I'm on holidays its usually the BBC world service I'd watch or maybe Euronews, simply due to them usually being the only thing available in English.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Jan 2024, 09:23
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19 Jan 2024, 09:23#25
So Trump critics on here. Where do you get your news from?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Jan 2024, 11:16
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19 Jan 2024, 11:16#26

So Trump critics on here. Where do you get your news from?

You're a stooge when you differ in opinion.......would have thought it works two  ways.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Jan 2024, 11:48
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19 Jan 2024, 11:48#27

You're a stooge when you differ in opinion.......would have thought it works two ways

Well that's the thing about Plum's post, you could just make the same argument about the other side. But all that does is get us into a back and forth argument of "no you're stupider than I am!".

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Jan 2024, 12:35
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19 Jan 2024, 12:35#28

In other words his point......if there is a point.....is senseless.

Now why doesn't that surprise me?!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jan 2024, 13:18
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19 Jan 2024, 13:18#29

Very funny thread. Poor StavASS doing what he does best making a complete ASS of himself. Then we have an extremely Dense Denise talking about Trump and insurrection.

Dense doesn't appear to know that Trump and never been even indicted on charges of insurrection!!! Bwhahahhahahahahahahaha. There never was an insurrection. How do an unarmed group protesting a rigged election constitute an insurrection. You ahve to be incredibly stupid to suck up all his nonsense.

Here is a prediction for you Trump will be acquitted of these Lawfare cases even if only on appeal.

Secondly, please note that with every fake case Trump gets a poll bump.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Trump is now leading Biden in all the battle ground states and is ahead of Biden in the national polls.

I suppose I had better posts the lates poll results for the oaks.

Mozzzitard gets some things right and other wrong. By his standards an outstanding effort. The 2020 lection mas massively rigged as mountains of evidence show. Only a total ignoramus or a rampant liar would deny this. 

Congrats to Plum for a sound post.


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
19 Jan 2024, 13:28
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19 Jan 2024, 13:28#30

Some on here hate Trump so much, that they would probably still endorse another Biden run, instead of Trump.

Pathetic to see what Biden is and has done for the US over his presidential term.... with a completely stupid and embarrassing Harris as his wing lady...... and yet I guarantee you that some on here would still prefer Biden to Trump in 2024

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jan 2024, 13:53
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19 Jan 2024, 13:53#31

Yes DA they are that brainwashed. 

Trump was a outstanding President who did amazingly well despite betrayal of so many Uniparty Rinos and Demonrats.

The World today is in a terrible state due the the deliberate actions of the iigutimate Biden Regime and the Globalist traitors ruing Canada, Europe and Britain. 

Thankfully a number of these leaders will be getting the boot 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Jan 2024, 14:39
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19 Jan 2024, 14:39#32
Some on here hate Trump so much, that they would probably still endorse another Biden run, instead of Trump.Pathetic to see what Biden is and has done for the US over his presidential term.... with a completely stupid and embarrassing Harris as his wing lady...... and yet I guarantee you that some on here would still prefer Biden to Trump in 2024
Again this attitude can simply be applied in reserve and thrown back at the other side. Does it actually get us anywhere. Nope.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2024, 14:55
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19 Jan 2024, 14:55#33

In a country with a stat for everything it’s interesting that there is no stat for Presidential power….the ability of the President to get things done. Popularity gets a bit of it, but doesn’t reflect the set up in the house and senate, the overseas support and trust. And clearly it doesn’t reflect the use of the courts to limit his actions.

It’s a complex variable.

But it’s very real. Reagan had some power, as did Clinton before Monica. Bush was a mini version of Trump with claims of a stolen election. September 11 changed that and he had significant scope to act, even if it was more circumstances than the man and he used it unwisely.

Obama had huge public support, but he was a timid actor on the international stage. So many of the issues we are dealing with now are worse for 8 years of Obama reluctance.

Biden had considerable room to act when he started, largely anti Trump sentiment, but has painfully mismanaged many things…the border, the Iraq withdrawal, the lead up to the Ukraine and the economy most of all. This administration was vigorously stimulating the economy when the Fed was fighting inflation.

Of all the Presidents in the history of the country nobody had less permission to act than the Donald

 

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
19 Jan 2024, 15:31
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19 Jan 2024, 15:31#34

If Trump did win re-election, I suspect his biggest supporters will become his biggest haters. 
Steve Bannon was recorded on a boat with billionaires saying that if Trump wins again, he will no longer need the voters. 

Trump is not a conservative, nor is he religious- he is just a conman and a surprising that many people do not see this

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AJHPro3,183 posts
19 Jan 2024, 16:48
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19 Jan 2024, 16:48#35

Shame I pity you Sharktwat.

Cannot imagin what it must be like for a twat like you to have to see the light of day through your demented mind and blurred vision.

After all your postings on Trump you have to revert to a quote from one of Presdient Trump's supporters in an attempt to carry on your BS.


You are one sick puppy.

Sick, sick and getting sicker.

FOUR MORE YEARS!

Enjoy the ride................

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Jan 2024, 06:18
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20 Jan 2024, 06:18#36
No Denny... Stooge = a subordinate used by another to do unpleasant routine work. Having jumped on the Trump/Russia bandwagon makes you stooge. 1) It was made up. 2) It was intended to make you distrust Trump and have a negative emotional response to the man and his supporters. 3) It worked so well that you are still doing it years after it was revealed that the entire Russia thing was a lie. 4) You got to dislike Trump so much that you didn't care if they broke the law to get the "badie" that they painted for you. Don't try to convince yourself otherwise because you know that you were far more disappointed that they didn't "get" Trump than you were to hear that US Agencies acted criminally and media acted irresponsibly(pumping lies for years) RE the Russia Hoax. In other words...a stooge. Do you have a more apt name than Stooge? Maybe immature is a better word. You know, how it relatively easy to convince children that one should chuck their enemies in jail...because children don't understand the implications of jailing enemies simply because they're enemies. I'm gonna go with immature stooge.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jan 2024, 07:20
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20 Jan 2024, 07:20#37
stooges /stoo?j/

Plural form of stooge

noun

One who allows oneself to be used for another's profit or advantage; a puppet.\

& Go apeshit on jan6 .............................


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jan 2024, 11:53
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20 Jan 2024, 11:53#38

There are two members of site - whi bekieve everything The Guiardian tells them to believve.    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jan 2024, 14:54
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20 Jan 2024, 14:54#39

"& Go apeshit on jan6 ..."

Opposed to the other side going ape sh!t for the whole of the preceding 4 years...it's only bad if the rednecks do it.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jan 2024, 19:41
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20 Jan 2024, 19:41#40

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=images+from+jan6&t=newext&atb=v407-1&ia=web


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