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If anybody doubts that Britain is being

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 May 2023, 15:28
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29 May 2023, 15:28#1

deliberately destroyed via Mas migration I challenge to to go to Telegram and then search for the Britain First website. Take a look at the videos etc posted there. Britain is almost done. 


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 May 2023, 10:52
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30 May 2023, 10:52#2

There are not many things that you and I agree on Beeno, but even I must say, I really do not like the way that Britain is going.... and has been going for quite some time...

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
30 May 2023, 11:14
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30 May 2023, 11:14#3

Invasions used to be violently repelled for good reason.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 May 2023, 08:10
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31 May 2023, 08:10#4
 I really do not like the way that Britain is going.... and has been going for quite some time...

What would upi reckon would be a mo re sensible migration policy for the UK?
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2023, 08:16
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31 May 2023, 08:16#5

I am not even referring to the migration policy specifically ....although the illegal migration has become a massive concern....

I am talking about Britain as a whole...

It is falling apart in many different ways

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 May 2023, 08:52
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31 May 2023, 08:52#6

I'd put a lot of the ills the UK is going through mostly down to incompetent Tory rule for the last 13 years.

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
31 May 2023, 09:05
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31 May 2023, 09:05#7

The Conservative Tories are too busy working on the next lobbyist deal than running the country. 
Brexit was a vote for anti-immigration - but this "social" cause was just a smokescreen to let them retain power as a means to enrich themselves.

The fraud that was going on during Covid was unmatched - and why Matt Hancock is not in jail just shows the inner corruption by the Eton Lobbyists


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2023, 09:09
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31 May 2023, 09:09#8

"I'd put a lot of the ills the UK is going through mostly down to incompetent Tory rule for the last 13 years"

I wouldn't disagree with you

"and why Matt Hancock is not in jail just shows the inner corruption by the Eton Lobbyists"

Yep, I have been asking that very same question....

Absolutely shameful what he did and how he performed his duties

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 May 2023, 10:03
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31 May 2023, 10:03#9

Brexit was a vote for anti-immigration - but this "social" cause was just a smokescreen to let them retain power as a means to enrich themselves.

Yes anti-immigration was a major factor behind the Brexit vote, but the reality is immigration has gone up since Brexit.

But you have to remember the Tories originally campaigned against Brexit in the referendum back in 2016 so it wasn't a mean's for the Tories to retain power as much back then a as it was power move by Cameron to end decades old Tory infighting by neutralizing the Euro-skeptic wing of the Tory party at least for a decade or more by remain winning the vote. It backfired when leave won and the moderates in the Tory party felt obliged to hand the Euro-sceptic's control and they turned out to be mostly incompetent swivelled eyes loons who ran the country over the cliff economically.

The fraud that was going on during Covid was unmatched - and why Matt Hancock is not in jail just shows the inner corruption by the Eton Lobbyists

It's absolutely fine to point out the costs of illegal immigration and asylum seekers in the UK but its amazing in comparison how most of the UK media will not attack the economic damage the actions of Matt Hancock and Lizz Truss have caused with the same gusto as they do attack the costs associated with immigration and asylum.

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
31 May 2023, 10:32
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31 May 2023, 10:32#10

The economy started to decline pretty much as soon as the Tories got into power. 

So EU membership became the scapegoat- as well as immigration. 

Then, when the EU announced changes to laws that will make tax avoidance by the rich much harder, it was time for the Torry Lobbyists to leave the EU. 

They thought the UK could be a tax haven for finance, where they would undercut the EU.
However with the international minimum tax law that is coming into effect - this is not going to be possible. So there are now fewer benefits for the rich from leaving the EU- and the likes of Farage are now questioning leaving the EU .


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 May 2023, 10:44
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31 May 2023, 10:44#11
It seems the UK government are focusing on illegal entries/crossings to divert away from legal immigration statistics. 
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2023, 10:47
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31 May 2023, 10:47#12

Hancock's dealings with Mustafa Mohammed and especially Alex Bourne should have been taken more seriously.... but they were apparently investigated with no "signs" of illegal activities.. 

Bourne, who used to run the local pub that Hancock frequented, had absolutely zero experience in the medical field, but got £40m worth of contracts from Hancock.... mostly done over Whatsapp.

Yeah... it really does sound all above board


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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
31 May 2023, 10:59
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31 May 2023, 10:59#13

Many companies that got awarded Covid contracts, had no health experience. Some companies were formed 3 weeks before winning the contracts.

Michelle Moan (a former underwear model) got 400 million on Covid PPE contracts- which have been tracked to offshore bank accounts. 

 All they did was buy stuff on Alibaba- much of which had to be disposed of for not meeting health standards.

UK companies with health expertise were ignored in favour of the Covid Fast lane which was just an opportunity to steal the taxpayer's money. 

The biggest contract was something like 10 billion pounds to a private company to do test and trace. Surely let the NHS do this, or sub-contract out for extra resources.

Younger generations have been hit the hardest since the Torries took over - so it questions what future the party will have. A new conservative party is needed- that represents the Democratic majority- not just the rich and the lobbyists. 


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 May 2023, 11:36
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31 May 2023, 11:36#14

It seems the UK government are focusing on illegal entries/crossings to divert away from legal immigration statistics. 

Not really, h ave you seen a break down of the figures.

Around 1.2 million people came to the UK and 557,000 left.

Of those coming in 14% where refugees from both Ukraine and Hong Kong, something by and large the UK government and UK public have no issue with. 

65%% of immigrants to the UK where students or dependents of those students. These students massively contribute to the UK economy, bringing in more money to the UK than either the oil or areo space industries for example. Most of those students will leave when they finish their studies. Again most people don't seem to have an issue with this.

Now some people have mispresented dependents as meaning entire extended families likes cousins and grandparents coming over and free loading off the state. Dependents are strictly a students spouse and children. 

8% are people from the UK who immigrated returning to the UK. Again absolutely no one could have an issue with that.

So if you look at remain 13% (150,000) of immigrants that people who are generally against immigration might have an issue with that's a smaller number than asylum seekers.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 May 2023, 12:06
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31 May 2023, 12:06#15
What you just said is probably factual. But how do you come up with the "not really"? Perhaps you didn't understand what I was saying.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2023, 12:19
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31 May 2023, 12:19#16

The biggest issue I have with the UK at the moment is the huge increase in crime across the country.... it is getting way out of control....

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 May 2023, 12:59
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31 May 2023, 12:59#17
What you just said is probably factual. But how do you come up with the "not really"?
When you break it down the Tories are focusing on the type immigration (illegal) it probably is the type of immigration that people who are against immigration have more of an issue with.
When you ask people who are against migration why they are against it, they will usually give a few reasons. 
One is that immigrants are taking the jobs of UK workers by undercutting them. That they are coming over to the UK to freeload and get free housing for themselves and their families and that even if they working in the UK they are an overall cost to the state. Another is that they believe immigrants are responsible for more crime. Another issue is the perception that UK culture is being eroded and being replaced by foreign cultures/religions.
But if shown the actual breakdown of who they would apply these perceptions too, it would be just that 13% coming legally that isn't a student/UK citizen/Ukrainian or from HK which is less than those illegally entering the country.
To the people with an issue with immigration, illegal immigration is actually the bigger issue. It also gets the most airtime in the media too and pushed the most by political parties more to the right than to the Tories. The Tories believe they have to be seen  acting tough on illegal immigration to cut off the threat of losing votes to those parties.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2023, 13:17
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31 May 2023, 13:17#18

"One is that immigrants are taking the jobs of UK workers by undercutting them"

It would help if the UK people put a bit more effort into getting a job

More people need to get off their asses, get off the dole, and actually put some work in.....

"That they are coming over to the UK to freeload and get free housing for themselves and their families and that even if they working in the UK they are an overall cost to the state"

This is true, however the fiscal impact of migrants is purported to be within a +1 or -1 of the GDP 


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jun 2023, 10:58
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01 Jun 2023, 10:58#19

It would help if the UK people put a bit more effort into getting a job

No.

From a statistical point of view, liberal societies work for 30 per cent of a population, that it works less and less.

Added to that, liberal societies always rely on the existence of a sub population, a sub humanity without which the liberal society could not work.

While they started with the notion of the common man, liberals quickly switched to the average person.

Added to that, contrary to the past societies, liberals also consider that social homogenity is to be found in racial make up, not in life conditions.

All this comes at a cost.

The job offer ranges from opportunities to grow a billionaire to jobs that can not allow people to survive.

Liberal societies are all on the path of hosting segments of population that despite working all their life will end at a net deficit, all their life of work will amount to debt.

Which makes inheritance a major difference. And white people's ancestors stole so much.

In England, like in any other liberal societies, people know of these dead end jobs. They do not want them.

It is where migrants come into play: they do not know, they lack the social knowledge to characterize the said jobs. They are easily conned.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jun 2023, 11:10
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01 Jun 2023, 11:10#20

One is that immigrants are taking the jobs of UK workers by undercutting them.

That is indeed a sentiment largely spread among liberals. And another inversion.

Liberal societies can not teach themselves, they quickly skip their slavery past that is not taught. As a result, liberals have it easy to claim that slaves are the same as wage workers working in poor conditions.

Which are not. Slaves, especially in liberal societies, are capital, capital that was put to use to fund the switch from the non industrial era to the industrial era, capital that was put to use to fund the US independence war.

On the other hand, wage workers are mere expenditure. Most of them have no value. The SA richest man in the world stated it outright and contrary to many of his other words, put his actions where his mouth was.

Migrants do not undercut UK workers. The wages are set already and the presence of the migrants is what allows the activities that rely on these low wages to keep going.

An average covers many things.

An average of 100 grand per year per capita may mean

that 50 per cent of the population earns 102 grand and the other 50 earns 98 grand.

That 50 per cent of the population earns 190 grand and the other 10 grand.

In the first case, it is possible to imagine that all people have a similar access to society.

In the other case, it can not.

Liberals have all the difficulties to accept that living a luxury life can not be cheap, even though it relies on cheap labour and resources.


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Jun 2023, 12:13
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01 Jun 2023, 12:13#21

What utter Bullshit Trad

So people are still poor now because some white ancestors stole from them in the past.....Bollocks

British people need to start putting more effort into providing for their own families themselves, by getting their backsides off the couch, and partaking in some type of employment ......instead of relying on their government to sustain themselves.

There are many British people who genuinely need the financial assistance, and rightfully so, but the Dole / Jobseekers Allow ance / Unemployment Benefits is making far too many British people lazy as hell.


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
02 Jun 2023, 11:15
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02 Jun 2023, 11:15#22

So people are still poor now because some white ancestors stole from them in the past.....Bollocks

Liberal capability to denial is unmatched. For example, US citizens live on stolen land. It has no influence on the poverty of populations whose ancestors were robbed from.

Actually, liberals have set up a scheme: they rob from people and expect people to buy what they were stolen back.


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
02 Jun 2023, 11:26
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02 Jun 2023, 11:26#23

British people need to start putting more effort into providing for their own families themselves,

What family. This is the type of job that compromize the capability to build a family.


but the Dole / Jobseekers Allowance / Unemployment Benefits is making far too many British people lazy as hell.

Laziness, the liberal explanation. Placed over any other, especially those that should be favoured from a liberal analysis.

People reject a bad deal: the wage associated with the job is not enough to live close to an average line.

When jobs appear that leave people working at a loss, liberals claim people do not take them because of laziness instead of seeing a sound economical decision.

Migrants do not undercut UK workers: wages are set to a level to ensure rentability of the activity. When the level is low enough, people with enough life experience characterize the offer as not sufficient. They do not take it.

Other cases: people moving from the countryside to a city. People may get caught when moving to London. They perceive a job offer wage as good by their local standards and when they are faced with the cost of living in London, they understand the offer was not so good.


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Jun 2023, 12:51
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02 Jun 2023, 12:51#24

No more Trad....

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Jun 2023, 11:42
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13 Jun 2023, 11:42#25

Back to the topic to predict the future (or the recent past actually)


Three outcomes:

The activities tied to the low wages are acknowledged as unstainable and abandoned

Britons are coerced in accepting to work the jobs that would set them as pathetic losers at life.

England imports for a temporary period of time workers from low cost of living areas of the world. Once they have served their purpose, expelled.

Liberal Israel has already chosen the third option, importing 50 000 Chineses and Indians to jugulate inflation and be treated as sub humanity.

Liberals are faithful to their roots, relying on visible markers to separate the common population from the subhuman population.

Liberals did not get to Africa to look for slaves because Africa had slaves. European countries still had slavery back in those days.

They came to look for a population that was visibly different so that the association with a different status could be made visible.

The negro person was a slave, the white person a free person.

Once a liberal....

Coming to other liberal nations (going to be hard for SA to emulate the trick)

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Jun 2023, 11:48
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13 Jun 2023, 11:48#26

Ah, yes, a point was forgotten

It has turned quite common for segments of population to cry about the mark of the beast that these days they associate to a chip.

Wont be surprising that all those people who got imported to satisfy globalistic schemes get one day chipped.

And who will support the measure: the very same ones who today cry about the mark of the beast.

The future is going to be fun days.

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