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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2024, 03:05
#1
08 Jul 2024, 03:05#1

‘I'm no fan of former President Donald Trump. I don't think he's a good presidential candidate or a good representation of the Republican Party. He's an arrogant, thin-skinned narcissistic buffoon. He's a convicted felon battling additional indictments. Americans deserve better.

For years, Democrats have weaponized Trump's character flaws: At least our guy isn't a fraud or a felon. Yet, their guy has shown the world he isn't fit mentally or physically to be president.

Now that Biden's poor condition has been exposed, even I can't help but wonder: Is Trump actually worse than Biden?


Let's frame this another way: Trump's flaws have long been exposed for everyone to see ? and to decide for themselves his fitness to serve in elected office. But suppose the Republican Party had been propping up a guy who was in serious cognitive decline and denying to the American pubic that he actually was in decline? Would Republicans ever hear the end of it?

Wouldn't Democrats weaponize such a scandal until the end of time? Of course they would.

It's time to weigh the serious flaws of both Biden and Trump: Is one worse? Are they both awful? If so, where do we go from here?

Why did the Democratic Party hide the truth for so long?

Now that we know that Democratic leaders knew about Biden's decline, why did they hide it for so long?

The answer is important because there are only two possible responses, and neither of them is good.

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Either Democrats hid Biden's poor condition because they don't respect Americans or the public's right to full disclosure.

Or Democrats hid what they knew about Biden because they want to maintain power ? no matter the cost to America's well-being.

Is their thirst for power greater than their respect, empathy and goodwill toward the American public?

Do Democrats dare to answer honestly?’

Nicole Russell is an opinion columnist with USA TODAY. She lives in Texas with her four kids. Sign up for her newsletter, The Right Track, and get it delivered to your inbox.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
08 Jul 2024, 06:20
#2
08 Jul 2024, 06:20#2

It was impossible to hide. Whether right or left, political extremists simply refuse to see what's right in front of their eyes. As I mentioned here before, I've been hearing from some of my leftie acquaintances that Biden merely has a "stuttering problem" for years now. That's how deep they delude themselves. So if the democrat voters didn't see what was playing out right in front of their eyes for the last 4 years, they can hardly blame the party. 

You don't wanna see, you ain't gonna see.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jul 2024, 10:37
#3
08 Jul 2024, 10:37#3

It works both ways.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2024, 10:59
#4
08 Jul 2024, 10:59#4

With all due respect Biden is just a front as President -  the decisionmaker is probably a split betgween Obama, Soros and Gates - the latter 2 has decided on the Law and order policies and open borderfs issue (Soros)  and Gates  iro of the Green Policy.

I have reason to believe the abovce is true, namely -

*     Soros son meeting with WH officials at least once a month to deal with his father's two favorrite programs;

*      Gates meeting with the Energy Secretary basis almost  as Soros' son mewting with the WH officials; and

*      Obama who moved from his luxury villa in Martha's Vimeyard to his luxury home n Washinton early thisx year. and his agent in the WH being Rice, 

It turned the USA international relartionship intro a real mess - even his  conduct at the G7 leaders meeting was an unbelievable farce.    What trust can th e G7 leadxers have when the front man is grossly incompetent. and need a  diagnostic test to see whether he can be President.   

According to the  latest opiniion polls  72% of the voters believe Biden should not be in the WH and his approval rating  is down to between 36 and 38% of the voters with between 16 and 19% being his performance approval being negastive.

\The problem is that the Democratic Party usually being center-left is now be regarded as Far Left based on 145 members of the House beng regarded as being far-left.    That is why Kenndy is drawing the center left voters preferring Kennedy to Biden,   .  That could end up with the present party coalition being resulting in a split into two separeate parties.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
08 Jul 2024, 12:01
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08 Jul 2024, 12:01#5

Biden recently claimed he used to be a young black woman, and that he is the first black president. This guy needs to be enjoying his retirement at the pool, not running a country.

However, I would rather have Biden in a coffin as president than Trump.

I guarantee that if Trump wins, his supporters will become his biggest haters.

You will see the real side of Trump, who is not a conservative or anything. He is not fighting for the rights of the people, he is purely an opportunist who is taking advantage of Democracy being in decline. Another Orban/Putin/Kim Jon. If he wins again, he no longer needs the voters.

Obama and George Bush as the last ex-presidents could conduct TV debates along with the media.

Biden needs to step down because it is more than just beating Trump. 
Biden is significantly worse now than 4 years ago, so what will he be like in another 3 years or so?

The Democrats need to redo their primaries, but just with the top 3-5 candidates. 
Harris, Newsom, and Whitner should run against each other. Then who ever wins chooses one of the others as vice president. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Jul 2024, 12:23
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08 Jul 2024, 12:23#6
lol Trump still living large in people's minds. I just want him to be elected again so that Denise can sign back up to BLM.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2024, 13:19
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08 Jul 2024, 13:19#7

SB

You will see the real side of Trump, who is not a conservative or anything. He is not fighting for the rights of the people, he is purely an opportunist who is taking advantage of Democracy being in decline. Another Orban/Putin/Kim Jon. If he wins again, he no longer needs the voters.

Where did you get thaty drivel from?    It must be really idiotric to come up with that - there was no proof that Trumnp being  guiltry of anything  you claim would  happen.   Trump realized that the USA was going  down the drain under Obama and tried to bring the country back to being respected.     The people had more money in their pockets and the Democrats lied their arses off abot the so-called Russian Hoax  and you beleived tfhat as well.

So lets look at present - Trump saw the disastrous impact of the Biden .Adminsitration and  the slide into a banana repoublic dictatorship on the go.   Trump is a patriot and could not take the BS anymore and he is fighting to restore a constitutional governfment in the USA.   He s going to appoint a really capable VP that can take ovcer from him in 2028 and he is not goimng to  undermine the country by taking bribes from foreign countries like the Biden  Crime family did - so the man for he future will be chosen by Trump.

You have just moved into the league of far-leftists who wants to see the destruction of   Democracy anyway - so you are really coming up with very real BS .  In his previsous Presidency he kept to the USA Constitution - somerthing Biden abused on many occasions and the person taking over will not have the record of illegal spying by the FBI on US  citizens and using the Justice Department to abuse rights of people by taking opposition to court on fake charges.

As an example - the Judge in the New York case has postponed sen tencing to Late September - he is waiting to see whether Biden is re-appointed as DP candidate and will then act on his instruction.   If Biden is not elected the new candidate will then instruct him what to do.in the oase.

You also support tjhe start of WW3 - so any kind of madness comes to you naturally anyway?,   .         

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
08 Jul 2024, 14:13
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08 Jul 2024, 14:13#8
Dumb Mike Biden, you are self-deluded. So out of touch with reality, that you are Biden 2.0
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2024, 14:46
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08 Jul 2024, 14:46#9

Does not help - you are delusional and totally brainwashed so you cannot think for yourself.   You wouild vote for a Zombie based on stories the leftist me dia came up with.   None of what you said you can prove is going to happen.   It did not happen when Trump was  President - so why should it happen in future.   Only idiots will come up with the above BS.  \

Trump is not a career politician - and never will be.   His outlook is centrist  - a stastement you always denied - but is now getting  through the shit that makes thinking by you vtrtually impossible,  

Trump is not interested  in destroying fthe USA - he has massive  investments in the USA - but also worldwide and has no interey in seeing the USA collapsiong.   He does not intend leaving  his children destitute.   

Finally - he has never been corrupt  and proven to be so.   He never took his salsry as President  - it was donated to  welfare projects.  He also had his hotel paid to the US Treasury money they got from foreign visitors on official duty involving the US Government.   So why should he do oherwise during his secoond presidency?

All in all you write shit on site and cannot even prove anything you write.    Amazing the amount of  shit you regularly come up with on site.   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2024, 15:01
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08 Jul 2024, 15:01#10

Mozart

What law dod Trump broke which turned him into a felon?    Nobody actually knows what law he broke - so please tell us what is the cas here.   

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jul 2024, 15:15
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08 Jul 2024, 15:15#11

The people who genuinely believe that Trump only wants to become president again, just to destroy the USA ...... are d eluded..... completely and utterly deluded.

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2024, 18:00
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08 Jul 2024, 18:00#12

Yes that’s complete nonsense. He brings a lot of baggage, but Trump is as American as they come. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jul 2024, 19:52
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08 Jul 2024, 19:52#13

The people who genuinely believe that Trump only wants to become president again, just to destroy the USA ...... are deluded..... completely and utterly deluded.

Yes that’s complete nonsense. He brings a lot of baggage, but Trump is as American as they come. 

Emm...who are these people saying that?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2024, 21:06
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08 Jul 2024, 21:06#14

Emm…..here’s the Boston Globe to give you one example:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/07/07/opinion/donald-trump-end-of-democracy/

I don’t know if it’s reached rural Ireland but there are many nutters who believe this stuff. As a suggestion don’t ask the forum, search the internet.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
08 Jul 2024, 21:36
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08 Jul 2024, 21:36#15

Mike Pence says he cant find it within his heart to endorse his former president. Poor old Pence was almost sacrificed on Jan 6th.

Nor do many appointed Trump officials that made up the government.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jul 2024, 22:05
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08 Jul 2024, 22:05#16

Fair enough.

I don't think Trump deliberately wants to destroy America and is running for President purely for the sake of his ego. But Trump like when it comes to lying where I genuinely believe Trump is actually incapable of knowing the difference between the truth and lying, Trump also can't tell apart his own interests from the interests of the country. He assumes they are same thing. Therein lies the danger. 




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2024, 22:37
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08 Jul 2024, 22:37#17

SB

I am aking  you for proof of what you wrote and so far only comments of Pence came out.   The FBI even had an agent carrying a hangman's noose to hang  Pence and never arrested or even questioned their agent on that score.   Pence speaks for perhaps 1% of he voters.   

So I expect from you real proof not the sayings of Pence who apparently became an opponent of Trump.    Give me real written proof dimness.

Now let us deal with the following frm yours:=

"The Democrats need to redo their primaries, but just with the top 3-5 candidates. 

Harris, Newsom, and Whitner should run against each other. Then who ever wins chooses one of the others as vice president."

You must e reallym deluded  - it will take a month to organize and gfazette a program for new primnary election.    It will be taking  at least three months to hold all the new elections  and then to get new votes prinmed and distribnuted in time for early elecions.

 You really must be deluded if you think new primaries could be held before the stasrting of the early voting process .kicks in.

So their is no time for primaries and the action is becming clear.   At    least 12 of the DP members of the House .so a new motion is being  prepared to fire Biden forthwith based on his incapacity to handle the Presidency - and indications are that a lot of DP members in amrginal districts don't want to be accused of being  supporting Zombie Biden.   

So there is no way now primaries can be held in time - and the real situation is that if Biden is firedd due to his physical and mental ability in terfms of Amendment 35r of the USA Constitution  then Harris will take over the Presidency and she can appoint a new VP  subject of appoval by te House,  

However there would no democraic way of getting  a new candidate accepted so the major sponsors of the DP  would decide on who should be he candidxate.- not the voters   That would obviously leads to an UNDEMOCRATIC  electiuon.   Not that this will  bother the  Democrats - after all they claim that only themselves are suitable to ruin the country.  

So try again - your above cmments can be expected from a brainwashed and braindamaged 2 year old.  

    

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
09 Jul 2024, 00:18
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09 Jul 2024, 00:18#18

No DumbMike Biden.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
09 Jul 2024, 07:35
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09 Jul 2024, 07:35#19

"I don’t know if it’s reached rural Ireland but there are many nutters who believe this stuff. As a suggestion don’t ask t he forum, search the internet."

LMAO

"Emm...who are these people saying that?"

Yeah, for a guy who is quite adept at researching information on the web, this really is a daft question


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
09 Jul 2024, 08:29
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09 Jul 2024, 08:29#20

"where I genuinely believe Trump is actually incapable of knowing the difference between the truth and lying"

LOL .... this is just too bloody hilarious

The international news outlets are having an absolute field day regarding recent articles about all the numerous blatant and outrageous lies that Biden has been peddling to try and get additional support for his run for the presidency.

Trump has lied, of this there is absolutely no doubt at all ...and he should be called out for all of them....., but to ignore or side step the outright audacity and abundance of lies that Biden has be pushing lately is just beyond comprehension....

Check "some" of these lies from Biden, and the worst part is that a lot of these lies here only came out in the past 6 - 18 months ..... and keep in mind that I have left out about another 20 - 30 blatant lies from Biden.... like his uncle being eaten by cannibals or his achievements in law school

- Inflation was 9% when I came into office

- Biden says he was arrested in South Africa

- Biden says he was arrested defending civil rights

- Biden says he had no documents that were highly clasified

- Biden states that the wealthiest Americans have a tax rate of 8%

- Biden stated they spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the Florida woodlands

- Biden states he was at ground zero on 9/11 the very next day

- Biden stated that he has already declared  a national climate emergency

- Biden stated they were building a railroad from the Pacific across the Indian ocean... lol

- Biden stated that more cops are killed responding to domestic violence calls than anything else

- Biden stated that the average tax for billionaires is about 3%, lower than a teacher or firefighter

- Biden stated that in the past two years, democracies have become stronger

- Biden stated that he gave his uncle a purple heart for serving in the US military during world war 2

- Biden stated he has been to Iraq, Afghanistan twice as the president, and yet has not gone once

- Biden stated that gas was down from over $5 when he took office

- Biden stated that no service men died under his presidency 

- Biden states that he has never earned a $400 000 salary

And now you have Stav here stating that he genuinely believes that Trump doesn't know the difference between the truth and lying..... LMFAO ....too bloody funny ...


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
09 Jul 2024, 08:38
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09 Jul 2024, 08:38#21

"I don't think Trump deliberately wants to destroy America and is running for President purely for the sake of his ego"

You never fail to surprise me at all Stav , but even your level of utter stupidity and hypocrisy on display here with this statement is astounding.

You say this about Trump's ego, yet Biden is the one telling the whole world that the only way that he will stop running for another presidential term, is if the "Lord Almighty" came down to personally tell him not to, which he says the Lord wouldn't do......  because other than that happening, nobody is stopping him and that he adamantly refuses to step out of the presidential race......despite all his closest allies and long standing contributors and supporters telling him to step down right now....... and here you are wanting to talk about Trump's ego.....

How incredibly naive and dumb can one really be.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
09 Jul 2024, 08:40
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09 Jul 2024, 08:40#22

"Trump also can't tell apart his own interests from the interests of the country"

You mean like Joe and Hunter have put their own personal interests before the interests of the country.....

Man you are coming across as really stupid with these comments....


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
10 Jul 2024, 08:07
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10 Jul 2024, 08:07#23

I honestly cannot believe or even understand why someone would want to bring up Trump's ego at a specific time like this..... about being the president of the USA, when the current sitting American president that you have right now, is not willing to listen to anyone at all regarding putting America first, in any way, shape or form, by stepping down due to cognitive health reasons..... but rather says that only the "Lord Almighty" might convince him to stand down.

And you want to talk about egos....

You have to be bloody delusional to even bring it up at a time like this .... it's just absolutely downright dumb and stupid.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2024, 10:00
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10 Jul 2024, 10:00#24

With Joe standing down where will Jill Biden get money from to buy $5 000 dresses and  Hunter to buy coccaine if the Biden shelf companies cannot get payment from corrupt foreign companies  and especxially Chinese ones for favors done to them in respect of their activities in the USA.

The Chinese apprently also buy oil from the USA Strategic Oil  Reserve  until they are sure that the USA will not have enough oil reserves when China attacks Taiwan and South Korea,  for usae in war situations.

 So who runs the  WH - definitely not Joe Biden..   Obama control all political decision - Hunter all crooked deals involving Biden enterprises and Jill - in cleaning Joe's dirty nappies when Biden Joe fail to realize between farting and shitt ing.     O - I am wrong - Jill must also make sure that Biden get 14 hours sleep per day and ensuring he can work 4 hours a day before brain functiong is interrrupted.   

Example with the NATO meeting on the go and some discussions was held in the evening the Blinken idiot turned up and told them Biden was not available to artend as he has to be in bed by 6:00 pm.   So the sleeping hours are also controlled by Jill ,   So if the Chinees attack Taiwan the attack would start at 7:00  PM and there would be no reaction from Biden until 11:00 AM the next morning.

And Rooinek and SB will support that crock.   LMAO   .      \        

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jul 2024, 10:13
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10 Jul 2024, 10:13#25

So many things have clarified or berm revealed  since Trump came on the scene. Americans are awake like never before and see the horror of demonrat Globalist rule. 

It's also become abundantly clear that Sharktwit is a nasty Marxist  nutjob who has no clue whatsoever. He is joined in this by Blobbrain and those other well known mongs Rooitwit and the very dense Denise. 

stavASS can't even see what the open borders Globalists are doing to Ireland! He is also a bad joke. 

As for Mozzie he is cleatly in retreat and starting to say some positive things about Trump. He is obviously taking Nikki Haley's advice to unite behind Trump.

 Trump is of course one of America's greatest ever Presidents.

 As for the fool Mozzie is quoting if he can't see the vast difference between Trump and Biden he is an idiot. 

Every thinking person knows the Globalist controlled media is utter fake news garbage. It's astounding that the very frot five still give them any credence. Shows how utterly gullible they are! 



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Jul 2024, 10:46
#26
10 Jul 2024, 10:46#26

Lol someone's not had their coffee this morning.

"I don’t know if it’s reached rural Ireland but there are many nutters who believe this stuff. As a suggestion don’t ask the forum, search the internet."

Kinda ironic when that's coming from someone based in the US, a country which is pretty famous for ignorance when it comes to anything outside its own borders.

Yeah, for a guy who is quite adept at researching information on the web, this really is a daft question.

You see this is the problem when one side lies and mispresents the other side so much, I tend not to believe them when they occasionally do tell something that's true or mostly true. Of course I've heard people say before that President Trump will destroy America or American democracy and I'd have considerable concerns about that as well, but I hadn't heard before anyone claim that it was a deliberate goal of his.

And now you have Stav here stating that he genuinely believes that Trump doesn't know the difference between the truth and lying..... LMFAO ....too bloody funny ...

Trump has lied, of this there is absolutely no doubt at all ...and he should be called out for all of them....., but to ignore or side step the outright audacity and abundance of lies that Biden has be pushing lately is just beyond comprehension....

Check "some" of these lies from Biden, and the worst part is that a lot of these lies here only came out in the past 6 - 18 months ..... and keep in mind that I have left out about another 20 - 30 blatant lies from Biden.... like his uncle being eaten by cannibals or his achievements in law school

Trump has lied? you might win an award for understatement of the year. In the Presidential Debate fact checking's had Trump lying 50 times, he only spoke for 40 minutes and 12 seconds, he's next level when it comes to lying.

I'm not side stepping Biden's issues. I'm well aware of the numerous gaffs Biden's told as well as outright lie he's told, he also told several during the Presidential debate. 

All politicians from all side of the political spectrum lie in every country. They outright lie, they tell half truths, they leave out context, they misrepresent the other side, they miss use statistics etc. I'm not defending it, they shouldn't do it, I'd wish they would stop doing it and the other side has every right to call them out on on their lies. 

To me Biden though falls into the more typical level of standard political lying and misrepresentation coupled with numerous verbal gaffs. In the Presidential debate at least some of his points where based on something resembling reality.  Trump is on a whole other level of dishonesty. 

I don't live in America so obviously I won't be voting in the election. But hypothetically if I was voting and forced to choose I'd still pick Biden in a nano second over Trump, not out of any great love for Biden, I would have preferred had the Democrats picked someone else but that he's the least worst option of the two.

Well I suppose I could vote third party but why would I waste my time doing that.

If Nicky Hailey was the Republican candidate in the election it would be a different story. I'm no fan of the republican party and it policies but I'd have no where near the concern about her being elected than Trump. I'd have far less concerns about her undermining American democracy. She's a proper politician who could be expected to behave you know, behave like an adult with all her mental faculties working and is not horrendously ignorant. She would act Presidential on the world stage.

And now you have Stav here stating that he genuinely believes that Trump doesn't know the difference between the truth and lying..... LMFAO ....too bloody funny ...

Yes I completely stand by that statement. Joe Biden's previous dishonesty doesn't refute that.

You never fail to surprise me at all Stav, but even your level of utter stupidity and hypocrisy on display here with this statement is astounding.

You say this about Trump's ego, yet Biden is the one telling the whole world that the only way that he will stop running for another presidential term, is if the "Lord Almighty" came down to personally tell him not to, which he says the Lord wouldn't do......  because other than that happening, nobody is stopping him and that he adamantly refuses to step out of the presidential race......despite all his closest allies and long standing contributors and supporters telling him to step down right now....... and here you are wanting to talk about Trump's ego.....

How incredibly naive and dumb can one really be.

Again I completely stand by what I said. Absolutely I believe Trump wanting to win the Presidency is purely about his ego, Biden's motivations don't change that.

Now maybe its part ego on Biden's part, but there is genuine question around whether he should pull out or not now. As I said I wished the Democrats had picked someone else over Biden originally but I'm not sure if Biden pulling would increase or decrease the risk of Trump winning the presidency in November. 

Despite all his faults, I do believe Joe Biden is fundamentally a decent man who knows the difference between right and wrong (demonstrated by him calling out the Supreme court ruling which granted him immunity), and maybe ego is interfering with his judgement now but it wasn't ego that first got him into politics. It was to serve the American people. I can't say the same for Trump. Is Joe Biden up to another term, I don't know. Is Trump fit to be President of the US, absolutely not.

You mean like Joe and Hunter have put their own personal interests before the interests of the country.....

Man you are coming across as really stupid with these comments....

I honestly cannot believe or even understand why someone would want to bring up Trump's ego at a specific time like this..... about being the president of the USA, when the current sitting American president that you have right now, is not willing to listen to anyone at all regarding putting America first, in any way, shape or form, by stepping down due to cognitive health reasons..... but rather says that only the "Lord Almighty" might convince him to stand down.

And you want to talk about egos....

You have to be bloody delusional to even bring it up at a time like this .... it's just absolutely downright dumb and stupid.

You're going label me stupid after your numerous posts of tabloid gutter trash and  mut and after you repeatedly demonstrated ignorance of some very basic concepts when it comes to law. Oh what's this you have posted in another thread, several Islamophobic rant posts. Let me guess your last post was taken straight from the United with Israel group and you never did any fact checking of where they got their facts and figures from.

But yeah I've the delusional dumb and stupid one.




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2024, 11:59
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10 Jul 2024, 11:59#27

 Do you know the difference between Democratic Party truths and lying  - fact there is no  difference. - since the Democrats regard everybody opposing  them as liars - but they never speak  the truth ever.    Biden takes a mile length lead over Trump when it comes to the lying stakes race.  He cannot ever be abused by saying he was truthful - that is totgally against his own ambition. 

"You're going label me stupid after your numerous posts of tabloid gutter trash and  mut and after you repeatedly demonstrated ignorance of some very basic concepts when it comes to law. Oh what's this you have posted in another thread, several Islamophobic rant posts. Let me guess your last post was taken straight from the United with Israel group and you never did any fact checking of where they got their facts and figures from."

This is the weirdest statement ever.   If  there are two posters who quote gutter press statements they are  Stav and Beeno..   What most regard as Stalinist and Hitler BS spread ing  than it is those two.         

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
10 Jul 2024, 13:11
#28
10 Jul 2024, 13:11#28

"You see this is the problem when one side lies and mispresents the other side so much"

Nope, this is the problem when some sarcastic twit tries to make a snide comment about something, without knowing the facts.... it's on you, not them.

"To me Biden though falls into the more typical level of standard political lying and misrepresentation coupled with numerous verbal gaffs"

Of course he does...... just multiple little white lies of little consequence ....lol

"I do believe Joe Biden is fundamentally a decent man who knows the difference between right and wrong"

Of course you would think he's a decent man who clearly knows the difference between right and wrong..... I would expect nothing less from you especially....... I mean, let's be honest here.....any grown man or woman would think that a father that showers with his young daughter more than once, is decent and knows the clear difference between right and wrong......right? ...... well let's just say that by your clear moral standards they would..... but definitely not by mine and very possibly not by many others as well......

Or how about how this decent guy of yours, Joe Biden openly lied about the CIA's involvement with Hunter's Laptop, and the CIA's collusion which happened directly with the Biden campaign, which has now been made public with apparent proof.

Of course he knows what is right versus what is wrong, I mean, just look at how Biden continually lied that he had never spoken to any of Hunter Biden's business associates, where evidence now shows that he was personally directly involved, over 20 times.

How about the outright lie that Joe Biden claimed that his family did not receive a $1 million payout from China through another associate.... when in fact the payment was made to Hunter, Hailie and James Biden and proof has been provided.

Lastly, what about Joe Biden openly lying about his son's business dealings being ethical, where testimony now clearly disputes this...

There are so many other examples, but I will stop at these..... because you will just say that Joe Biden was oblivious to all of this.... he is innocent and that he knows right from wrong, because he is such a decent individual..... lol, sheeeesh Stav, your judge of morals and character really needs to be brought into question here, LMAO.

"but it wasn't ego that first got him into politics. It was to serve the American people."

And you know this for certain how?

"I can't say the same for Trump"

And you know this for certain how?

"You're going label me stupid after your numerous posts of tabloid gutter trash and  mut and after you repeatedly demonstrated ignorance of some very basic concepts when it comes to law"

Ok, maybe not stupid, let's call it ignorant, naive, foolish, dumb, absurd, idiotic, laughable, gullible, nonsensical .... pick one.

"Oh what's this you have posted in another thread, several Islamophobic rant posts. Let me guess your last post was taken straight from the United with Israel group and you never did any fact checking of where they got their facts and figures from"

You clearly don't learn your lesson Stav , so maybe I should add unintelligent to the above list.

We all know what happens when you "guess" Stav, and if I were you, I would seriously look into something before making extremely naive, stupid and dumb comments like "Islamophobic rants"

"But yeah I've the delusional dumb and stupid one"

For once, you got something right..... well done bud.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Jul 2024, 13:43
#29
10 Jul 2024, 13:43#29

Stav, just so you know, there's at least one poster on here who nods his head in agreement at just about everything you post . . . well, non-rugby posts anyway . . . so don't let these clowns get you down. You destroy their right wing dogma every time but they lack the intelligence or the self-awareness to realize they're embarrassing themselves.

Keep it up my friend.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Jul 2024, 14:57
#30
10 Jul 2024, 14:57#30

Nope, this is the problem when some sarcastic twit tries to make a snide comment about something, without knowing the facts.... it's on you, not them.

Wasn't a snide comment. I was asking a question. I'm happy to accept people that some people are making the argument that Trump is trying to deliberately destroy America when credible evidence is presented and Mozart provided credible evidence. I just wanted to be sure people where not making strawman arguments to make the other side look worse.

Of course he does...... just multiple little white lies of little consequence ....lol

So you have tallied up all the lies of each politician and the numbers indicate Biden is more dishonest than the average?

Of course you would think he's a decent man who clearly knows the difference between right and wrong..... I would expect nothing less from you especially....... I mean, let's be honest here.....any grown man or woman would think that a father that showers with his young daughter more than once, is decent and knows the clear difference between right and wrong......right? ...... well let's just say that by your clear moral standards they would..... but definitely not mine.

LOL who are you to judge me. Here you are once again pushing this exploitive tabloid smut. You don't give a **** that Ashely Biden was continuously traumatized by the leaking of her diary having her personal and intimate thoughts from a time she was struggling with the aftermaths of crime made public to the world for everyone to read like it was some sort of gossip column and those thoughts and words where then twisted by people like yourself to hurt the people she cared about. Not only that but you also omitted critical context from the story just weeks after you railed against Trump's words been taken out of context and you presented a misleading angle on Snoopes and how they updated their fact check on the story. You're just a nasty dishonest little hypocrite.

Or how about how this decent guy of yours, Joe Biden openly lied about the CIA's involvement with Hunter's Laptop, and the CIA's collusion which happened directly with the Biden campaign, which has now been made public with apparent proof.

I know Biden misrepresented what the CIA or was it ex CIA heads said to him about the laptop back in a 2020 Presidential debate and I have no issue with Biden being taken to task over that. I genuinely have no idea what you mean when you say CIA collusion with the Biden campaign and there is proof of that. What are you talking about here. Link please?

Of course he knows what is right versus what is wrong, I mean, just look at how Biden continually lied that he had never spoken to any of Hunter Biden's business associates, where evidence now shows that he was personally directly involved, over 20 times.

Except there is zero evidence any business dealings where discussed in any of those interactions.

How about the outright lie that Joe Biden claimed that his family did not receive a $1 million payout from China through another associate.... when in fact the payment was made to Hunter, Hailie and James Biden and proof has been provided.

Who knows, maybe Biden didn't know at the time or maybe he just wanted to shut down the line of questioning, because we all know why the right wing and GOP was pushing this story, it was an attempt to smear Biden as being in the pockets of China when there is zero evidence he directly benefitted from the money or that the money his family earned was in any way illegal.

Lastly, what about Joe Biden openly lying about his son's business dealings being ethical, where testimony now clearly disputes this...

Again its impossible to know how much Biden actually knew about his son's business dealings. Its possible Biden gave too much of the benefit of the doubt to Hunter, he wanted to believe him as he was his son and perhaps to some extent Biden knew Hunter was exploiting the family name to open open doors in the business world. Perhaps he operated off instinct to immediately defend his son when he was accused various different things. Its hard to say.

There are so many other examples, but I will stop at these..... because you will just say that Joe Biden was oblivious to all of this.... he is innocent and that he knows right from wrong, because he is such a decent individual..... lol, sheeeesh Stav, your judge of morals and character really needs to be brought into question here, LMAO.

Why stop, I can point to the example of Joe Biden criticizing the Supreme Court ruling that effectively granted him immunity. An unscrupulous President could of taken advantage of been given this power. Biden knows the danger this ruling could bring down the line. Biden stayed out of Trumps various criminal cases, barely if ever commenting on them. Despite all the dishonest whining from the right wing about it political motivated there is not a shred of evidence he was behind any of them. I can't imagine Trump staying off Truth Social platform for 5 seconds talking about the Joe Biden being in court if the roles where reserved. When Biden was  recently interviewed and asked how he would feel if he losses the election in November he replied he could live with himself if he gave it his best shot (and by all means you can call that an ego thing), not even a thought ever entered his mind about calling the outcome of the election into question. When Hunter Biden was convicted recently on a gun charge and tax charges, Joe Biden said he would respect the verdict of the court. I could point to Biden's support of Ukraine as being fundamentally decent, and while I have been critical on his stance over Israel and Palestine, its somewhat more nuanced and humane position than that of many Presidents that have come before him.

In the world of politics there is more to a person's character than just the lies he tells.

And you know this for certain how?

"I can't say the same for Trump"

By the words and policies pursed by both men.

Ok, maybe not stupid, let's call it ignorant, naive, foolish, dumb, absurd, idiotic, laughable, gullible, nonsensical .... pick one.

Well if I have to pick one, I'll go with naive. Everyone is from time to time. But I guess that applies to me when I try to do things like talk common sense and use things like facts and figure thinking any of that matters to you.

You clearly don't learn your lesson, so maybe I should add unintelligent to the above list.

We all know what happens when you "guess" Stav, and if I were you, I would seriously look into something before making extremely naive, stupid and dumb comments like "Islamophobic rants"

Oh my guess was wrong and it was just coincidence that all the same talking points are on a single page of the United with Israel website. Hmmm damn that's some coincidence. Maybe you just skipped them and went straight to the source of their information which are known far right publications with a strong anti-muslim slant.

And yes I'll stand by my Islamophobic rant comment. That's exactly what your bigoted posts where. 

"But yeah I've the delusional dumb and stupid one"

OMG I didn't realise I was debating with a child. "I know you are but what am I". Really is that the intellectual level you're on.?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Jul 2024, 15:09
#31
10 Jul 2024, 15:09#31

Stav, just so you know, there's at least one poster on here who nods his head in agreement at just about everything you post . . . well, non-rugby posts anyway

Ireland are going smash South Africa next weekend...COME AT ME BRO!

 . . so don't let these clowns get you down. You destroy their right wing dogma every time but they lack the intelligence or the self-awareness to realize they're embarrassing themselves.

Keep it up my friend.

Oh don't worry about me. I get a laugh out of them more than anything else. I'm apparently Left Wing Beeno...that one's priceless.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
10 Jul 2024, 15:47
#32
10 Jul 2024, 15:47#32

"Wasn't a snide comment. I was asking a question"

Ermmmm, lol, really.....thousands wouldn't believe you, but I will.

"So you have tallied up all the lies of each politician and the numbers indicate Biden is more dishonest than the average?"

I don't remember saying that he was, but you just carry on defending how decent he is, whilst his blatant lies go on.

"LOL who are you to judge me"

It really wasn't difficult at all......I will judge any man, just like I have you, who says that someone who acts and behaves like Joe Biden ... is a decent man who clearly knows right from wrong ....

If 1000 adult men read what Ashley Biden put in her diary about Joe Biden showering with her and how that actually affected her traumatically as a young girl, and that it was not appropriate...I have no shadow of a doubt in my mind, that 99% of those same men would say that Joe Biden is not a decent man who knows right from wrong.... so you stick in the 1% dude.

"You don't give a **** that Ashely Biden was continuously traumatized by the leaking of her diary"

More guess work from you hey....., well I actually do, which is why you saying that Joe Biden is a decent man is so seriously fucked up..... you are actually the sick idiot downplaying what she said in her diary and also with what actually happened to her, by calling the perpetrator of what happened, a decent man..... let that sink in.

"and those thoughts and words where then twisted by people like yourself to hurt the people she cared about"

Bollocks....here you go again, defending a man that showered multiple times with his young daughter, which leads her to believe that it could have had something to do with her own personal trauma and demons...... whilst she also admitted that it was not appropriate......swing it anyway you want to Stav...the one person who is actually playing down what actually happened to her is you.... fuck me dude

"You're just a nasty dishonest little hypocrite"

Oh my word..... oh no

LMFAO, pointing your mistakes out seems to be bothering you a tad bit...... relax man, take a chill pill.....I can't help that it comes a bit naturally when you are involved.

"I genuinely have no idea what you mean when you say CIA collusion with the Biden campaign and there is proof of that. What are you talking about here. Link please?"

The internet is your friend

"Except there is zero evidence any business dealings where discussed in any of those interactions."

LOL, sure ok

"Who knows, maybe Biden didn't know at the time or maybe he just wanted to shut down the line of questioning"

LMAO... yeah ok, except there is already a financial trail that has been discovered.... but hold on....yep.... decent Joe probably didn't know.

"Well if I have to pick one, I'll go with naive. Everyone is from time to time. But I guess that applies to me when I try to do things like talk common sense and use things like facts and figure thinking any of that matters to you"

You do you dude.

"And yes I'll stand by my Islamophobic rant comment. That's exactly what your bigoted posts where"

You are completely blind as to what is happening around you .....totally blind... sad actually..... oh well, each to their own.

"OMG I didn't realise I was debating with a child. "I know you are but what am I". Really is that the intellectual level you're on"

I had to lower my level when dealing with you, eish, my bad.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Jul 2024, 17:15
#33
10 Jul 2024, 17:15#33

Ermmmm, lol, really.....thousands wouldn't believe you, but I will

Yeah I guess its an alien concept to you, people asking questions instead of just unquestionable agreeing with everything you say.

I don't remember saying that he was, but you just carry on defending how decent he is, whilst his blatant lies go on.

Yeah ignore everything else I said about his comments towards the Supreme court ruling, him respecting the outcome of the election, him respecting the courts ruling in his son's trial etc.

If 1000 adult men read what Ashley Biden put in her diary about Joe Biden showering with her and how that actually affected her traumatically as a young girl, and that it was not appropriate...I have no shadow of a doubt in my mind, that 99% of those same men would say that Joe Biden is not a decent man who knows right from wrong.... so you stick in the 1% dude.

Here's the thing, a thousand men where not supposed to be able to read her personal diary. It's an invasion of her privacy. And here you go again mispresenting what's in the diary. No where did she she say the showers with her father affected her traumatically. She was trying to figure out why she considered herself hyper sexual. was it to do with her being sexually assaulted when she was young, something she believes happened but can't actually remember occurring, hence she was listing out occurrences that could possible indicate that she was.

More guess work from you hey....., well I do, which is why you saying that Joe Biden is a decent man is so seriously fucked up..... you are actually the sick idiot downplaying what she said in her diary and also with what actually happened to her, by calling the perpetrator of what happened, a decent man..... let that sink in.

Bollocks....here you go again, defending a man that showered multiple times with his young daughter, which leads her to believe that it could have had something to do with her own personal trauma and demons...... whilst she also admitted that it was not appropriate......swing it anyway you want to Stav...the one person who is actually playing down what actually happened to her is you.... fuck me dude

Well what I'm about to say is a guess, but I'd imagine if Ashely Biden was to read you comments and see you twisting her own words against her father she would tell you that her father is indeed a decent man, and you're a very dishonest, pathetic and sleazy little man or words to that affect.  

Oh my word..... oh no

LMFAO, pointing your mistakes out seems to be bothering you a tad bit...... relax man, take a chill pill.....I can't help that it comes a bit naturally when you are involved.

That's funny I thought the same thing about your recent posts. I can just feel the desperate need to one up me in your posts. But good luck doing that living in your alt right fantasy world, its largely devoid of facts.

The internet is your friend

Help a guy out here. Its actually a genuine problem when you alt ring wing types flood the internet with conspiracy theories and gobbledygook. It makes it very hard for potentially genuine criticism that has merit to be spotted in the sea of crap you otherwise swim in. It undermines your own credibility.

LOL, sure ok

Stunning rebuttal. Bravo, standing ovation.

LMAO... yeah ok, except there is already a financial trail that has been discovered.... but hold on....yep.... decent Joe probably didn't know.

Forgive me if I don't know the exact timeline, I don't spend all my time stuck in the bowels of alt right sewer system mining for dirt. So there is a financial trail directly to Joe Biden and the money came from illegal activates. Because if there isn't I really don't give a crap about this non story,

You do you dude.

You know what they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

You are completely blind as to what is happening around you .....totally blind... sad actually..... oh well, each to their own.

No I'm just not a person who believes bigotry is a value of the west. 

I had to lower my level when dealing with you, eish, my bad.

Yeah I suppose when your exposed as a dishonest and sleazy individual, its easier just to double down than look in the mirror. Waiting for the inevitable look in the mirror yourself herp-a-derp response.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jul 2024, 18:01
#34
10 Jul 2024, 18:01#34

Oh don't worry about me. I get a laugh out of them more than anything else. I'm apparently Left Wing Beeno...that one's priceless.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jul 2024, 18:02
#35
10 Jul 2024, 18:02#35
Can’t see anything good on the other side….nothing wrong on your side ….bingo (pardon the pun).

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2024, 18:11
#36
10 Jul 2024, 18:11#36

S tav

I know you cannot answer my questions - but tell me how did the FISC  finding that the FBI illegally spied on 278 000 people because  they obiect to stalinist teaching  methods in the USA  being implmented in public schools or they oppose as members of the  Catholic Church  abortion policy of the bureaucrats through regulation af tyer Biden calls the people "Domestic White Terrorists" purely when they peacefully  object to Biden's policies/

Watch the following video and bear in mind that the F BI official is under oath when respondng to questions - 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmDQPGEbnc

Do you believe that spying on US citzens represents democracy undermining by the Biden Administration and the Zombie in charge? 

     

    

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Jul 2024, 18:41
#37
10 Jul 2024, 18:41#37

Can’t see anything good on the other side….nothing wrong on your side ….bingo (pardon the pun).

Did I not Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed, did I not give him credit for the Abraham accords and credit him with expediating the defeat of ISIS and been positive towards his attempts to negotiate with North Korea?. Did I not give credit to the Tories for their support of Ukraine being often the first NATO member to break taboo's on supplying weapon system to Ukraine, likewise I pointed out when Giorgi Meloni spoke out in the Italian parliament against those pushing Russian narratives about the war in Ukraine. Did I literally not just o ffer some positive views of Nickey Hailey in this very thread just a few posts ago. While I don't particularly support the policies of Republican's there was lot to admire in a war hero like John McCain, and ditto about Mike Pence on January 6th and afterwards.

Did I not acknowledge Biden was partially responsible for inflation in America. I hold him mostly to blame for the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle. His excuse making after his Presidental debate was awful as a well. I've also been critical of some of his decisions regarding Ukraine. Likewise I'm happy to call out left wing people who say Hamas actions on January 6th where justified or the Houthis targeting of international shipping was a legitimate response to Israel's action. Happy to call Irish left wing clowns, like Mick Wallace and Claire Daily who pushed Russian narratives on  Ukraine and similarly I was delighted to see that pound ship left wing version of Nigel Farage, frequent RT guest and all round tosser George Gallaway lose his seat in the UK election (asshole didn't even show up for the results).

Just yesterday in the Irish parliament the leader of the opposition Mary Lou McDonald (who is left wing) brought up a disturbing case of an Irish women detained in Dubai under appalling circumstances to the Irish prime minister Simon Harris (who is right wing) in our parliament yesterday. The prime minister immediately thanked Deputy McDonald for bringing this matter to his attention and was willing to be immediately brief on the women's situation be her and then worked to secure the women's release which he did in one day. I don't care if Simon Harris on the political right wing full credit to him here for his actions here. 

But yeah I'm left wing Beeno. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jul 2024, 23:26
#38
10 Jul 2024, 23:26#38

You sound a bit stressed by all this HasBeen 2 despite the risus sardonicus. Perhaps you should provide all those claims in context. Reproduce the originals. I’m willing to be persuaded, I wouldn’t want to do what I attribute to you, now would I? 

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Jul 2024, 08:50
#39
11 Jul 2024, 08:50#39

"Yeah I guess its an alien concept to you"

The only alien concept here is me trying to understand your logic in general, which won't seem to be happening anytime in the near future.... and I'm good with that.

"Yeah ignore everything else"

Yebo yes....specifically with your posts, it happens more often than not.... great observation skills dude.

"Here's the thing, a thousand men where not supposed to be able to read her personal diary. It's an invasion of her privacy"

Here you go again, excusing the serious issue away, minimizing what happened to this young girl .....

I don't care man..... the information was made public, so that information will now be used to make an informed opinion of the person who was involved in it....period. That person just happened to be her adult father who showered with her more than once, which she herself very clearly and implicitly stated was probably not appropriate .... and also that it could be one of the reasons why she felt traumatized at a young age, or overly sexual.....but that she was not sure........then add to that all these creepy touchy feely things that Joe Biden does with only young pre-pubescent girls.... far too many times already.... and then also his multiple accusations from 7 or 8 adult women regarding his regular innapproriate sexualised behaviour towards them.....then yes, I do not consider him a decent guy.....

So..... let's just agree here and now that your standards of being a decent adult man / father are extremely different to mine..... actually fucking miles apart dude........hence why I maintain that you stay in your 1% because most men would never agree with you, and of that I have no doubt at all... not even slightly.

"And here you go again mispresenting what's in the diary. No where did she she say the showers with her father affected her traumatically"

Well, here is what Ashley Biden said, verbatim.

"Hyper-sexualized at a young age, what is this due to?, was I molested. I think so - I can't remember specifics but I do remember trauma - I remember not liking the Woolzacks house, I remember having sex with friends @ a young age, showers w / my dad ( probably not appropriate )"

Now, if you still want to stand there and categorically say that Joe Biden was not involved with Ashley Biden's thought processes or reasonings regarding why she felt trauma at this time in her life, and why she was overtly sexual, you are either incredibly dumb, exceptionally stupid or extremely dishonest.... it has to be one.

The very fact that Ashley Biden even included her own father in this very specific sentence about sexual behaviour and trauma clearly shows you that in some way shape or form, she attaches those showers with her father in some way to what trauma or over sexualized feelings that she was dealing with at the time....FACT.  

Just admit you got it wrong .... 

"pathetic and sleazy little man or words to that affect"

This is precisely what I would think most men would think of you for calling a father that showers with his daughter multiple times, a decent guy ..... the well known young girl sniffer and feeler is a real decent chap....if the shoe fits..... your qualifying criteria or standards on what constitutes "decent" to you.... are at gutter level dude, fuck me, I expected a bit more.

"That's funny I thought the same thing about your recent posts"

The one critical mistake that you always seem to be making, is that you actually think or believe that I give a shit about what you think..... lol dude.... just lol.

"Help a guy out here. Its actually a genuine problem when you alt ring wing types flood the internet with conspiracy theories and gobbledygook. It makes it very hard for potentially genuine criticism that has merit to be spotted in the sea of crap you otherwise swim in. It undermines your own credibility."

"Merit"... that's where I stopped reading....

"Stunning rebuttal. Bravo, standing ovation."

Shot bro, coming from you, I feel this deeply.

"Forgive me if I don't know the exact timeline, I don't spend all my time stuck in the bowels of alt right sewer system mining for dirt. So there is a financial trail directly to Joe Biden and the money came from illegal activates. Because if there isn't I really don't give a crap about this non story,"

Ok

"You know what they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

Lol, the irony

"No I'm just not a person who believes bigotry is a value of the west."

So .... blind and dumb..... got it

"Yeah I suppose when your exposed as a dishonest and sleazy individual, its easier just to double down than look in the mirror"

Man .... you just wouldn't believe the coincidence here..... 100% true story, I swear Stav......I read that sentence of yours above, and the only posters name that jumped into my head immediately .....was you..... and I mean it was quick.

What are the chances hey...... I mean it was bloody instant dude...lol, no ways hey..

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Jul 2024, 10:44
#40
11 Jul 2024, 10:44#40

You sound a bit stressed by all this HasBeen 2 despite the risus sardonicus. Perhaps you should provide all those claims in context. Reproduce the originals. I’m willing to be persuaded, I wouldn’t want to do what I attribute to you, now would I? 

Is there a search function on this forum?

The only alien concept here is me trying to understand your logic in general, which won't seem to be happening anytime in the near future.... and I'm good with that.

So you don't understand the logic of asking a question to get an answer. Hmmm.

Yebo yes....specifically with your posts, it happens more often than not.... great observation skills dude.

LOL you're good at ignoring stuff. Like lets ignore Donald Trump actions that led to a riot on January 6th so we can focus on Nancy Pelosi being at fault even though she wasn't in charge of security.. Must be great at being able to ignore stuff you don't agree with it and reality in general, but not very honest. 

Here you go again, excusing the serious issue away, minimizing what happened to this young girl .....

I don't care man..... the information was made public, so that information will now be used to make an informed opinion of the person who was involved in it....period. 

That person just happened to be her adult father who showered with her more than once, which she herself very clearly and implicitly stated was probably not appropriate .... and also that it could be one of the reasons why she felt traumatized at a young age, or overly sexual.....but that she was not sure

Okay allow me to quote parts of Ashely Biden's letter to the judge involved in the case regarding her diary.

“I am deeply saddened that I even have to write this letter because my personal private journal was stolen and sold for profit,”

“The point of the theft, I assume, was to be able to peddle grotesque lies by distorting my stream-of-consciousness thoughts,”

(referring to the theft of her diary)"constitute one of the most heinous forms of bullying, not to mention a complete violation of my privacy and personal dignity.”

“After being the victim of a crime in my early twenties, I developed PTSD,” 

“The journal that was stolen was part of my efforts to heal. I am a private citizen, targeted only because my father happened to be running to be President. In other words, the extensive work I have done to move past my trauma was undone by Ms. Harris’s actions.”

“The defendant’s actions have created a constant environment of anxiety, fear, and intimidation in which my innermost thoughts are constantly distorted and manipulated.”

“because of the publicity it drew — exactly as Ms. Harris intended — I am constantly re-traumatized by it.”

“I will forever have to deal with the fact that my personal journal can be viewed online,”

“Repeatedly, I hear others grossly misinterpret my once-private writings and lob false accusations that defame my character and those of the people I love.”

“Her actions were not only re-traumatizing to me, but constituted a horrific trauma in and of themselves. This ongoing harm is a direct result of Ms. Harris’s intentional actions,”

This is why you're such a morally bankrupt individual and hypocrite. You don't care a hoot about Ashley Biden's well being, you're just using her as a political football to attack her dad and you and those like you who do so don't don't give a f**k that s actually causing her to be constantly retraumatized. 

.....then add to that all these creepy touchy feely things that Joe Biden does with only young pre-pubescent girls.... far too many times already

Your such a sleazeball. This is pure gutter rag trash.

and then also his multiple accusations from 7 or 8 adult women regarding his regular innapproriate sexualised behaviour towards them.....then yes, I do not consider him a decent guy.....

Biden overstepped the mark with those women, he hails from a generation where being touchy-feely was more acceptable. He admitted to this and gave a sort of wishy washy apology. Of those 8 women 7 of them said while they did feel uncomfortable with his actions they did not think it amounted to sexual assault or something worth pressing charges over. One women did make a far more serious accusation, but there was several issues regarding the credibility of her claims, not least of which she has since defected to Russia.

So..... let's just agree here and now that your standards of being a decent adult man / father are extremely different to mine..... actually fucking miles apart dude........hence why I maintain that you stay in your 1% because most men would never agree with you, and of that I have no doubt at all... not even slightly.

Okay I'm going try and be generous here. Where you on are on the political spectrum is on the fringes of the right, you views are not what most people have. There is a reason why the media and both sides of the political spectrum with the exception of far right fringe news organisations have not pushed the story in the way you wanted. Because they know how awfully sleazy it would make them look. Hell even Trump didn't want to touch it with a barge pole.

So while most men would agree showering with their child is not appropriate, they would also be able to subjectively leave aside their political bias and emotions and be able to judge these claims on their own merits and see what these accusations are. A sleazy exploitative hit piece.

Well, here is what Ashley Biden said, verbatim.

"Hyper-sexualized at a young age, what is this due to?, was I molested. I think so - I can't remember specifics but I do remember trauma - I remember not liking the Woolzacks house, I remember having sex with friends @ a young age, showers w / my dad ( probably not appropriate )"

Now, if you still want to stand there and categorically say that Joe Biden was not involved with Ashley Biden's thought processes or reasonings regarding why she felt trauma at this time in her life, and why she was overtly sexual, you are either incredibly dumb, exceptionally stupid or extremely dishonest.... it has to be one.

The very fact that Ashley Biden even included her own father in this very specific sentence about sexual behaviour and trauma clearly shows you that in some way shape or form, she attaches those showers with her father in some way to what trauma or over sexualized feelings that she was dealing with at the time....FACT.  

Just admit you got it wrong .... 

Read Ashley's statement to the judge that I've posted before. Tell me honestly do you think Ashley Biden would agree with you here. 

This is precisely what I would think most men would think of you for calling a father that showers with his daughter multiple times, a decent guy ..... the well known young girl sniffer and feeler is a real decent chap....if the shoe fits..... your qualifying criteria or standards on what constitutes "decent" to you.... are at gutter level dude, fuck me, I expected a bit more.

You expect everyone to be in the same far right bubble you occupy, overly emotionally and completely devoid of critical thinking. Shame the real world is far more interesting.

The one critical mistake that you always seem to be making, is that you actually think or believe that I give a shit about what you think..... lol dude.... just lol.

Yet you keep on responding.

Merit"... that's where I stopped reading....

You have to go to the dictionary or something?

Shot bro, coming from you, I feel this deeply.

How witty, still not answering the question though.

Ok

So no evidence of illegal activity then?

Lol, the irony

Are we back to I know you are but what am I already?

So .... blind and dumb..... got it

No you're just a bigot.

Man .... you just wouldn't believe the coincidence here..... 100% true story, I swear Stav......I read that sentence of yours above, and the only posters name that jumped into my head immediately .....was you..... and I mean it was quick.

What are the chances hey...... I mean it was bloody instant dude...lol, no ways hey..

Am I dealing with a toddler here? 





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