Interesting question in USA Today

Stav

The real situation that there were no way before in the history of the USA a previous President before in the history of the USA.   There was no real chances that Trump would in fact be charged and there was zero charges if he was not running for election in 2024 of chares be lai against it.  

It is a fact that by September 2023 that Biden has buggered up everything he touched and was unpopular and despised by most of the voters,   It was then the Democrats devised a new election strategy - they could use criminal charges against Trump as their main strategy.

That brought into picture what powers the President has as on immunity from prosecution as to what decisions the President taken up a criminal charges against Trump.  Since it nver happened since indepeendance and since there were no laws passed by Congress in that regard as well.   It was accepted that decsions of President would not lead toc riminal charges after they left office.

Smith made a huge mistake in trying to get a Supreme Court ruling on the mmunity issue without going through the lower courts.    The case was thrown out by the Supreme Court at that stage beause of the Smith bugger-up.   Smith then went to distric court and the decision was that it is a cnsitutional issue they cannot rule on and that was also  the attitude of the Federal Court.    

That left the Supreme Court with a problem and their decision waswhat was to be expected.   It is not the Supree function to make laws they dismiss the case and stated clearly thatthe issue should be reolved by laws passed by Congress,   I think the Court also advised Congress that to their minds  the matter should be deamt with by Congress - to bare in mind that any Presidnt would take official decisons and private ones.   They reminded Congress that official decision should be immune to prosecution as was the cse throughout USA history - but private decisions could be of a criminal nature.

In the crcumnstances the fact is that Congress will nver passed legislation on the issue since it could lead to future abuse.   That leads Smih and the Justice Department that they have one choice left to them and that is to prove that Trump actually broke laws and what las he broke.   In factSmith made i impossibl for the Supreme Court in being totally inexperiened in prosecution princicples ha charges thus far and before he got further eh must lay specific criminal charges based on private decisions taken by Trump and they must before the acual court cases  on Trump can proceed wih getting clarity on whether decisions was private and which are private/   

They must get clarity on that issue first before they can even charge him of commitng crimes.   In view of the difficulties involved the process could be years to finalize and in practice Smith was in deep trouble.     Since the Pelosi hearings on the isse was legal absurdities and did not have a real basis for the TV shows that evidence was not really legally acceptable.  Fact is the Pelosi Committee committed a crime by destroing vidence submitted to them.   The other real problem was the House conducted an official investigation as to the January 6 incident after winesses was questioned under oath and most of the allegaions of the Pelosi Committee was disproved    To take that mess to the Supreme Court would be imposible to prove legally.

The other charge rose against Trump relates to the documents Trump took with him when he vacated the WH.  There are very clear legislation and that is Presidents can declassify documents -  the President being the only person that can declassify documents,   Courts in Washingon DC  or New York.   In any event the case made progress - bar fo the following:- 

*     Real evidence emerged that the FBI spread fake photos of secret documents to the media;

*      In terns of standard procedure in US courts that the defence must have access to all the documents relating to the case (in other words all the documents taken from the Mar-el-Lago rsidence  must be returned to the Court.

The FBI waited for a month to comply with the court ruling and of the 32 boxes of documents the FBI took from the Trump residence 21 boxes were returned and in some returned boxes documents were mssing.  That was undermining the court and the Judge susended the trial until all documents are returned,   

The case was then for all intents and purposes frozen since the FBI did not comply with Court orders in that regard.   What were in the papers the FBI don't want to becoming public knowledge?   To date FBI refused ti supply all the douments to the Court.  However - that led to another issue - about three weeks ago - before the Supreme Cour decision on the immunity issue of  wherher he appointment of Special Councils by officals is not a breach of the Basic  Principles of the Contitution as to the separation of powers between the legislature, the executive and the judiciary was not breached when Speial Councils are appointed,    Thre judges of the Supreme Court wrote a legal opinion that the appointment of Special Councils together with a  budget for the costs attached must be submtted to the legislature for approval. 

The Florida case was going nowhere since Smith and the FBI would not adhere to court orders and she effectively ruled that the appointment  of Smith was irregular and that put the Biden Administartion in serious trouble.  They could try to get ex- post-facto approval for the Sm ith appointment from Congress and nobody in the legislature would provide such an approval.

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"I haven't seen the footage you refer to but given you previous history of posting, I'm pretty confident it will be just more right wing spin"

Of course it will be right wing spin..... that is your go to get out of jail free card..... you constantly use it on here....all the time.....irrespective of the source..... it's all right wing bullshit to you....

Take the blinkers off man....

Your usual history of excuses like ...  "I haven't seen it"..... "I am not aware of it" .....

I have said this before, for a guy like you, who has proven many times over already that he is very adept at researching and pulling information from the web, to either back up his own opinion or to try and disprove or discredit someone else's argument.... it is always bloody hilarious how you never seem to know about something, or can't ever find it, or don't know about it ..... if it does not fit your narrative or if it goes against your previously stated opinion.... too bloody funny.

Here are various hosted videos , that provide commentary on this video itself and also some video transcriptions which go into more detail about Alexandra Pelosi being recorded saying what I stated above....... so take your pick:

Alexandra Pelosi - One

Alexandra Pelosi - Two

Alexandra Pelosi - Three

Alexandra Pelosi - Four

"The sad thing is your lack of critical thinking and how you just unquestionable parrot every right wing narrative that suits your worldview"

As I said before..... look in the miror du de..... look very closely.

You are that one guy, who always says, it is either misquoted, misrepresented, misconstrued or deep fake...LMFAO... and you want to preach to others about critical thinking.

Of course it will be right wing spin..... that is your go to get out of jail free card..... you constantly use it on here....all the time.....irrespective of the source..... it's all right wing bullshit to you....

Take the blinkers off man....

Yes I use the term right wing spin a lot when resounding to you because a lot of your posts are exactly that. But you claim I do that irrespective of the the source, oh boy, I'll address this in a moment.

Your usual history of excuses like ...  "I haven't seen it"..... "I am not aware of it" .....

Well in the case of these Alexandra Pelosi's video footage where you claim she admitted to these various things, I genuinely hadn't seen it. You see I don't see the stuff you do because I don't consume obscure fringe right wing media.

I have said this before, for a guy like you, who has proven many times over already that he is very adept at researching and pulling information from the web, to either back up his own opinion or to try and disprove or discredit someone else's argument..

Take your first link. A website called breaking digest. A website so obscure that when you type the words Breaking Digest into google you don't get any hits (at least not on the first 5 pages, I wasn't arsed going any further). When I search for them on the Ground News Website who are a news aggregator, I again get nothing.

But okay, just because their small or I've never heard of them doesn't mean they lack credibility, so I'll take a quick look and give them a fair shot, because I wouldn't want to be too biased...and holy f**k they are quoting content from the Gateway Pundit, the far right fake new website. Okay now I know they have absolutely zero credibility. No reputable news site would link to content from the Gateway Pundit. 

But lets take a look at the points raised by the transcripts.

 Pelosi: “The Shaman did noth(ing)… What did the Shaman do? He stood there.”

This is in reference to whether or not another person involved in the January 6th protests named Paul was given good legal advice by his lawyer in that he should just immediately plead guilty to all charges. Pelosi said she believed that on some days she thinks the advice was good as he got a much shorter sentence than the person referred to as the Shaman who received a much longer sentence for doing pretty much the same thing.

The transcript is also dishonest. As Pelosi does not use the word nothing. She said the "The Shaman did not" before stopping and starting a new sentence.

What you could possible take way from that is that maybe Pelosi feels that the action of these two individuals on January 6th maybe didn't warrant as harsh sentences as they ended up getting that doesn't mean she thinks they are totally innocent either.

“After the Democrats lose the house, then they get rid of the committee, people may lose I think interest… no one is going to care after the democrats are out of power. And you take Biden out of office- then who cares!?”

Of course the Democrats are going try to keep the focus on January 6th and the Republicans are going do the opposite. January 6th cast's Trump and the Republican's in a very bad light, quite rightly in my opinion. 

DC is a lot of people who work for the government. I don’t think they’re sympathetic. If you got it moved (changed trial jurisdiction from DC) you’d totally get off” (laughs while saying this)

Sure its quite possible if this guys (the person Pelosi is talking too in the video) trial was moved to another state, say for example a very Pro Trump state he might not be convicted.  That doesn't mean Pelosi thinks there is nothing to the charges.

“If there was an insurrection… you were supposed to have a plan!” “It was the sorriest insurrection in history”

Pelosi herself does not say "it was the sorriest insurrection in history" that was the person who was she was talking to you, something you claimed in an earlier post.

So the term insurrection is debatably when it comes to January 6th. Most definitions would have it as an attempt to overthrow, stop or revolt against the government. Some definitions define it as the same thing but with organised intent, so you could make an argument that it wasn't organised, but you can't argue that intent of the protesters on January 6th wasn't to stop the inauguration from happening. Alexandra Pelosi is just giving her opinion here, she may not believe January 6th was an insurrection but that's just her opinion.

“You’re going to be able to laugh about this one day”

They might. Pelosi seems to be advising these guy to drag out legal proceedings. The logic being that because there was going to be so much public interests in the first trials for January 6th that the Judge would likely opt for harsher sentences to be been seen to be making an example of them. Once the media attention died off the sentences would likely be less harsh.

From Pelosi's interactions with the people in these video's, she comes across as sympathetic in general to the people storming of the Capital building. To me it comes across as as her being sympathetic because she believes that they are by and large ordinary people who where misled into making a bad decision or had events on the day overtake them, as in at least some of these people may have gone to the capital to protest with no intention of storming the capital but just felt obliged to do so as it happened and that the media is unfairly representing the protesters as a hole.

But that doesn't necessarily mean she equally sympathetic to all of them. It doesn't mean that she does not hold Trump responsible for January 6th.

Pelosi talks about her friendship with Gavin McInnes and laughs at the notion that Proud Boys are white supremacists.

Pelosi is again offering her opinion. She doesn't say the Proud Boys are not a white supremacist movement, she says she doesn't know what they are, but in her interactions with McInnes he never came across as a white supremacist but someone who liked to say very controversial things to get a reaction. 

Again she's entitled to her opinion. But its precisely that an opinion. Many people would disagree with her.

As for your other links I assume its more of the same, or the same video with more right wing interpratations (blimey I was even getting religious adverts on rumble, so you can tell the audience its aimed at)

As for link 4. Jimmy Dore. Really another clown who spouts conspiracy nonsense. Guy is full of crap.

As I said before..... look in the miror dude..... look very closely.

You are that one guy, who always says, it is either misquoted, misrepresented, misconstrued or deep fake...LMFAO... and you want to preach to others about critical thinking.

Stop misquoting, mispresented and misconstruing posts and I won't call you out on it. As for deep fake, have I ever even used the term once here?

"You see I don't see the stuff you do because I don't consume obscure fringe right wing media"

It's extremely simple to understand.....I read the news, from various news sources and media outlets around the world.....I digest it all, and form my own opinion.....I don't really care how you get or process your daily news and information....but from what you have already said and shown here, you might just want to expand your horizons and broaden your reading options a little bit more regarding what is actually happening around the world.... and not just news sources that keep you one dimensional in your thinking.....what did you call it..... critical thinking.

But okay, just because their small or I've never heard of them doesn't mean they lack credibility, so I'll take a quick look and give them a fair shot, because I wouldn't want to be too biased...and holy f**k they are quoting content from the Gateway Pundit, the far right fake new website

I see .....so then point out what was fake about the video?

"Okay now I know they have absolutely zero credibility.."

I see.....what is not credible about the video that they are hosting?

"Alexandra Pelosi is just giving her opinion here"

"she may not believe January 6th was an insurrection but that's just her opinion"

"Pelosi is again offering her opinion"

"Again she's entitled to her opinion"

"But its precisely that an opinion"

Ahhhhhhh.... I see

Yes, the repeated opinions of Nancy Pelosi's very own daughter.... who was there on that day, in the middle of everything

A repeated opinion which differs greatly from her very own mother's opinion who was also directly involved with what happened on the 6th January, and also the same opinion which also coincidentally aligns with millions and millions of other people around the world that you repeatedly call wrong, stupid or ill informed.

It's extremely simple to understand.....I read the news, from various news sources and media outlets around the world.....I digest it all, and form my own opinion.....I don't really care how you get or process your daily news and information....but from what you have already said and shown here, you might just want to expand your horizons and broaden your reading options a little bit more regarding what is actually happening around the world.... and not just news sources that keep you one dimensional in your thinking.....what did you call it..... critical thinking.

Really you get your news from various sources and media outlets?. Now correct me if I'm wrong but you live in the UK if I can recall, yet I don't remember you ever bringing up issues like NHS waiting lists, housing,  the PPE procurement scandal, raw sewage being pumped into rivers, Lizz Truss blowing up the UK economy, things that various polling and surveys have showed that many people in the UK on all sides of the political spectrum care about . Yes immigration is an issue but all we get from you is "AAGGHHHHHHH the Muslims are taking over" There is never any balance. The vast majority of your posts so far have been verbatim right wing talking points, and all your sources have been fringe right wing media and social media posts. 

As for broadening ones horizons, I'd argue consuming copious amount media pushing conspiracy theories is not broadening ones horizons, its the exact opposite. 

I see .....so then point out what was fake about the video?

I see.....what is not credible about the video that they are hosting?

The video was genuine, its the interpretation of Alexandra Pelosi's comments in the video being pushed by the Gateway Pundit that's complete bullshit.

Look at the quoted lines from the Gateway Pundit Article.

Nancy had a camera crew at the US Capitol as if she knew it was going to be a historic day.  It was quite the coincidence.

As it turned out, January 6 was a historic day. It was also well-planned and staged.

This is a complete bullshit spin. Alexandra Pelosi, Nancy's daughter is a documentary film maker going back years. She always brings a camera around with her. Even Fox News has acknowledged that she's being filming her mother at the Capital for decades. 

I mean are you not in the slightest bit embarrassed your passing this crap off as remotely credible. The gateway pundit has long being exposed as a fake news website that posts far right wing crap. Does it not register for even a second with you that these people might have an agenda.

Ahhhhhhh.... I see

Yes, the repeated opinions of Nancy Pelosi's very own daughter.... who was there on that day, in the middle of everything

A repeated opinion which differs greatly from her very own mother's opinion who was also directly involved with what happened on the 6th January, and also the same opinion which also coincidentally aligns with millions and millions of other people around the world that you repeatedly call wrong, stupid or ill informed.

She's entitled to her opinion, same as everyone else, but she's not a politician, a judge or someone who works in the field of law, regardless of whether she feels if many of the January 6th defendants where treated harshly or didn't have an intentional plan to overthrow the government (in other interviews she specifically states some members of the Proud Boys did after some of their communication about January 6th where made public) and that they where just normal people who where misled, it doesn't mean that proves January 6th was a set up or a conspiracy or that these people didn't break the law and deserve some form of punishment under the law.

Its cult like with you, every right wing narrative is accepted without question no matter how lacking in credibility the source is and no matter how ridiculous the narrative is. 

Think about it critically for just a second. Alexandra Pelosi is supposed to be duplicitously pushing a narrative about January 6th being a fake insurrection in public but this video footage supposedly proves its all a show. Why did she agree to be filmed by this guy in the first place and then supposedly admit on camera it was all a fake, is she just an idiot, did she forget the guy was filming her. No she never admitted it was fake, but she appears to have some sympathy for otherwise normal people who where misled into acting out of character on January 6th and the media's portrayal of those people as insurrectionists, fringe right wing media have seized on it to push their own narratives, just as they did with Nancy Pelosi and her supposed responsibility for January 6th security lapses.

"Really you get your news from various sources and media outlets?"

Yebo yes.... from near and far.....  left and right.....up and down.... inside.... and nogal out as well 

"Now correct me if I'm wrong but you live in the UK if I can recall"

LMFAO.... and this is where the mistakes started .....

"yet I don't remember you ever bringing up issues like"

However.... here is the real kick in the nuts you brilliantly stupid idiot...., I have actually personally previously brought up or discussed at some point... the procurement scandal, the NHS issues....the migrants, the overall immigration problems..and the Muslims in the UK, so wake up dude...... clearly your memory is just as bloody selective as your opinions are.....what a seriously stupid fool you are again showing yourself to be here.

"As for broadening ones horizons, I'd argue consuming copious amount media pushing conspiracy theories is not broadening ones horizons, its the exact opposite"

You mean except for the fact that I have already either raised, mentioned or discussed, most of the topics that you have just now accused me of not bringing up before, because I am not broadening my horizons...

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I get you now....... I really do get you now, and that post I made, not so long ago, about my mistake of giving you far too much credit, comes to fore again......I can't believe I ever did that..... genuine.

"I mean are you not in the slightest bit embarrassed your passing this crap off as remotely credible"

Nope, not even in the slightest, because just as you have admitted, the video is genuine.

"The gateway pundit has long being exposed as a fake news website that posts far right wing crap"

The website said that it had a video of Alexandra Pelosi bascially mocking the fact that a "insurrection" occurred, and that not everything was as it seems regarding the facts of what happened on that day and afterwards......and after watching that video, I would agree that Alexandra Pelosi was almost to the point of making fun of it or mocking what happened on that day and what has since transpired from January 6th...... so no, definitely not fake news at all..... but people's interpretations of how she disagrees with her mom's opinion on this "insurrection" might differ.... and so it should.

"She's entitled to her opinion, same as everyone else" ....

Yes, I see so, because you actually keep harping on about this "opinion"......, except it's a little bit different when someone else's opinion differs from yours, as I have seen with your responses to various posters on here.... because when they offer a different opinion, then they are either stupid, dumb or ill informed....

"Its cult like with you, every right wing narrative is accepted without question no matter how lacking in credibility the source is and no matter how ridiculous the narrative is."

Says the very same guy that has just made up all these lies about me, in one single post........ making any shit up just to try and prove some misguided point in a discussion .... yeah, your credibility is solid dude....LMAO

’I’ll address that in a moment’ says Leftwing…..ooh, how exciting I can hardly wait. He isn’t just going to comment, he’s going to ‘address it’. This should kill any doubt, the word from above.

So you don't find someone who accuses others of being blinkered and posting stuff that ultimately has emanated from The Gateway Pundit, one of the most notoriously biased far right fake new websites around a little ironic?

So tell us Leftwing, what are your right wing sources, I know you so crave balance. Do you ever listen to Fox News for example. Fill us in, what’s your daily news diet.

No Fox are trash, as I said before I generally do not like America news media in general, regardless of political leanings, far too much opinion not near enough actual reporting of the news.

Where do I get my news from.

From Irish TV media, I get my news from RTE. The two main broadsheet papers in Ireland, the Irish Times and the Irish independent.

Ground news, rates RTE has being based in the political centre, with a high factuality rating. The Times is left leaning with a high factuality rating and the independent is right leaning with a mixed factuality rating though if you look at the reason's stated why they are rated as mixed and not high its a very minor thing and I would generally consider them to be a good standard.

Globally I think the BBC is excellent. They are mostly labelled centre with high factuality. In my personal view, they are political right leaning when it comes to UK domestic politics, usually by way of omitting of glossing over stories damaging to the Tory government, but their coverage of international events is excellent. 

Also think Channel 4 which is considered left leaning but are also rated with high factuality.

There there is English speaking services of Deutsche Welle and France 24, again considered centre and highly factual.

I also listen a fair bit of Times Radio. Alot of there content is on youtube. Its not rated by ground news, but it is owned by Rupert Murdoch. So far in my opinion they seem quite good.

Also some of other media I consume which is not new related overlaps. For example Patrick Boyles youtube channel which focuses on economics has some overlap in that it talks about some of the policies that Republicans and Democrats have taken and their effect on the economy and the markets, but its done in a neutral and by the facts manner. Money & Macro is another.

Incidentally I did use to check out News24 when I wanted to see some news on south African rugby but they pretty much pay walled off everything.

So yes I get my news from Centre to Centre left news organisations, which is where I considered myself to be on the political spectrum. The majority of these media organisations have a good track record when it comes to factuality with the exception of the Guardian which is left leaning and is somewhat spotty when it comes to factuality.

Alot of right wing media I've come across are pretty crappy when it comes to factuality. Particularly in the UK, like the Telegraph, the Daily Express, The Daily Mail. The Sun and GB News but that's not to say all news from the right is like that. The Times is considered somewhat right wing but is highly regarded when it comes to factuality. I just don't have access to it because its paywalled.

Yebo yes.... from near and far.....  left and right.....up and down.... inside.... and nogal out as well 

Forgive me if I don't believe you.

LMFAO.... and this is where the mistakes started .....

However.... here is the real kick in the nuts you brilliantly stupid idiot...., I have actually personally previously brought up or discussed at some point... the procurement scandal, the NHS issues....the migrants, the overall immigration problems..and the Muslims in the UK, so wake up dude...... clearly your memory is just as bloody selective as your opinions are.....what a seriously stupid fool you are again showing yourself to be here.

Well maybe I am suffering from selective memory and I apologise if so, but I actually can't recall you ever bringing that stuff up. I do recall you supporting Ukraine which is something we for once but happen to agree on but the other stuff I don't recall you posting much about if at all, certainly no where near as much as you go on about "OMG Muslims are taking over, hysteria".

You mean except for the fact that I have already either raised, mentioned or discussed, most of the topics that you have just now accused me of not bringing up before, because I am not broadening my horizons...

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I get you now....... I really do get you now, and that post I made, not so long ago, about my mistake of giving you far too much credit, comes to fore again......I can't believe I ever did that..... genuine.

Still doesn't change the fact that most of your posts on politics are pushing fringe right wing narratives.

Nope, not even in the slightest, because just as you have admitted, the video is genuine.

Context and meaning are important. I could just say well Trump did say there would be a bloodbath after the election. Technically I would be correct but it would dishonest just to leave it at that and not mention the fact that he was referring to the automobile industry.

The website said that it had a video of Alexandra Pelosi bascially mocking the fact that a "insurrection" occurred, and that not everything was as it seems regarding the facts of what happened on that day and afterwards......and after watching that video, I would agree that Alexandra Pelosi was almost to the point of making fun of it or mocking what happened on that day and what has since transpired from January 6th...... so no, definitely not fake news at all..... but people's interpretations of how she disagrees with her mom's opinion on this "insurrection" might differ.... and so it should.

She laughing at the fact that who she is see's as normal people are being viewed as insurrectionists or at the idea that these normal people had an organised plan to topple the government. 

That does not mean she feels the same way about all the people who took part in January 6th. That does not mean she's refuting what happened on January 6th or that she  was acknowledge all of January 6th was nonsense as that website and the Gateway Pundit are saying the video shows.

We don't for example get an opinion of what she think Donald Trumps role in January 6th was or if she felt the same way about the Proud Boys member where communications of their was released saying they intended to get "normies to burn down the capital" etc , she may not have known about it at this stage.

Yes, I see so, because you actually keep harping on about this "opinion"......, except it's a little bit different when someone else's opinion differs from yours, as I have seen with your responses to various posters on here.... because when they offer a different opinion, then they are either stupid, dumb or ill informed....

Firstly you and that website are clearly mispresenting her opinion, you're stretching what she's saying into something different. But even if her opinion was exactly inline with yours, so what it would just be an opinion with no bearing on the law. But I strongly suspect her opinion would be far closer to mine than yours.

Says the very same guy that has just made up all these lies about me, in one single post........ making any shit up just to try and prove some misguided point in a discussion .... yeah, your credibility is solid dude....LMAO

I'm calling a spade a spade.

Do I get a theme tune?

Fox is trash, but then so is CNN. The reason you have to occasionally tune in to Fox is because they have unique content, and even if 25% is true it adds to your knowledge base.

The BBC is generally reliable but they don’t have a great ground game in the USA. The Economist has a better feel for US politics and the Wall Street Journal is very solid. 

But don’t be so modest you are more than half left!

Scary

No Fox are trash, as I said before I generally do not like America news media in general, regardless of political leanings, far too much opinion not near enough actual reporting of the news.

Yep. What's to be expected from Hannity, Ingraham and now the defunct and deflated Tucker.......let alone the 5.....

Good for a laugh though.

"Forgive me if I don't believe you"

Shame, this just spolit my entire Friday 

"Well maybe I am suffering from selective memory"

Which is something I have already mentioned about you a few times.....so I was correct.

"I'm calling a spade a spade"

I don't exactly know what standards or morals you live by dude.....well actually, correction.... I do now.....because if calling "a spade a spade" is achieved by making up false claims or lies against another poster......then you are just a blatant, deceitful and dishonest liar in my book..... you pick.

One just has to look at what you recently did here in this thread, to illustrate exactly how you operate.

You very clearly and deliberately wanted to use your own incorrect belief that I lived in the UK, against me, to try and portray me as some individual who does not either read enough, or know or care enough about what is happening in their own country that they reside in........ and this was incredibly stupid, ignorant and very naive of you.

Then secondly, because I apparently... according to you, had not previously discussed certain issues, which you thought were important to the UK.... I had apparently also not broadened my horizons enough or broached topics which you thought were pertinent to the country that I apparently lived in...so therefore I must be ignorant, uncaring or unknowledgable...... yet I have, multiple times..... again... this was extremely stupid of you.

Yet....here you are...... constantly preaching to people on here daily about only dealing in facts and getting their information correct by broadening their horizons ....

LMFAO .. you couldn't have got it more wrong, even if you put more effort in

I see the Daily Mail as quite conservative, whilst others would say it is a right leaning newspaper, and maybe so... each to their own.

They certainly don't seem to be shy on openly criticising people like Donald Trump for instance....... whilst also accepting the positives of the Donald as well.

I guess it's people's varying interpretations of what they read

Bloody hell, just saw now.....what is going on in Harehills, Leeds......

Normal comduct to be expext from Muslim radicals.   

When he media opposes he BS spreading media they are according to some of our membes =gutter press.   They love quoting from the leftwing media propaganda as the truth - so they do not relize theya re being brainwshed by the BSters.   You wil neve fnd the truth in CNN -  heya re atacking Biden now because they believe that  Trump is going to win he elecion - thay will hurt the Senate and Houe candidates of the DP.

Itis high time that the corrupt in the DP be punished for he damge they are doing to the country and its people.    .   

And you know this choosing to go to Russia vs the USA?