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Israel/USA Versus Iran

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
04 Mar 2026, 22:27
#121
04 Mar 2026, 22:27#121

Hahaha….you sound like an American teenage girl…..like you could really fit in, get yourself a valid visa.


That was the intention actually, the word 'like' has become the ultimate filler word both in the US and here in Ireland/UK.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Mar 2026, 00:14
#122
05 Mar 2026, 00:14#122

Okay a fair question. I supported Afghanistan as a punishment and clean up mission, that should all have been conducted from the air. But the morality of doing something after 9/11 was indisputable. The mistake was occupying the country and trying change it’s basic nature.


Iraq was a flat out mistake. Hussein was back in his box and he was never a natural partner for the likes of Isis and El Queda….he was just a thug. Saddam had learned his lesson in Kuwait and was even useful in a sense by keeping terrorists from getting a real foothold in Iraq. But George had some strong willed old coots around him some of whom I knew and got persuaded by them and the Iraq expats that Hussein was on a mission.


Iran is on a holy mission and has been for 45 years. And unlike Afghanistan, the Iranian people want change, up to 70%. This is a genuine tyranny and their desire to be a nuclear power is obvious. Much of the unrest in the region comes from Iranian sources.


Their reaction to the attack, indiscriminate attacks in civilians in surrounding countries, only underlines the risk they would represent if they had a handful of nukes. We won’t have to nation build in Iran, just provide the opportunity for them to vote freely.


Still it’s going to be hard. This may take years of attrition from the air. The army will have to capitulate, in the meantime we should neuter them


With regard to evacuation plans and failure to actually call for one, I assume this was because Trump’s team were still hopeful negotiations would work. I haven’t heard much negative about that yet.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Mar 2026, 05:50
#123
05 Mar 2026, 05:50#123

"I'm pretty sure before this the Trump supporters were like Iraq was a bad idea, it was stupid, I wasn't in favour of the Iraq War, now like a switch has been flicked, Iraq has been collectively erased from their memories and their all in on another war for regime change in the middle east."


Nope, I still think it was a terrible idea.


Israel and the US seem to be using language that talks about how quick all of this will be. That they don't want to send in troops and that they are simply creating a window for Iranians to take their future back.


Just words, or is there truth to it?





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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
05 Mar 2026, 14:54
#124
05 Mar 2026, 14:54#124

Now tell me which happened first, the US withdrawing from the deal or Iran's resumption of enriching uranium?

You do realise that the US were well within their rights to withdraw from this deal, and it was Iran that were at fault for this happening, and nothing from the US side resulted in this happening.

Long and the short of it, Iran came to a agreement with the US and others, it was the United States that did not honour it, so your argument of 45 years negotiating with Iran and no deal is out the window.

This is factually wrong, it was 100% Iran that did not honour this JCPOA deal that was made when Obama was president...it was not the US.

Whilst no post 2015 violations were confirmed, it was the non-disclosure of what Iran had been doing before.... that were the foundations of the original nuclear deal, that led to the downfall of that deal, because Iran had violated transparent obligations, so it is actually unfair to blame Trump or the US for the collapse of that nuclear deal.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
06 Mar 2026, 06:29
#125
06 Mar 2026, 06:29#125

So they have a choice, be part of the modern world or be an 18th century religious relic.



Iran lives so much in the 18 th century that the US had to copy their drone design.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
06 Mar 2026, 06:35
#126
06 Mar 2026, 06:35#126

As long as Iran is radical, Palestine and others...


It is very funny. It is another classical claim made by liberals that people can not develop their own perception, that they are under influence. Yet it seems that Palestinians have their own ground to develop a perception of their situation (the West Bank is a prime example of it as the influence of Iran is not that tantamount and yet...)


Another thing is the absence of universality among liberals:


As long as the US are radical, Israel and others... Does not work. Can not be.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
06 Mar 2026, 06:49
#127
06 Mar 2026, 06:49#127

And unlike Afghanistan, the Iranian people want change, up to 70%.



Another funny claim. Because liberals are open about it. Liberals are trying quite hard to trigger a civil war in Iran that would pit the 35 per cent of Iranians who are winning versus the 65 per cent of Iranians who are losing.


It is very funny because somehow the Iranian population composition mirrors a liberal classical population composition.

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