Marco Rubio

So you agree ... its bravo judiciary & boo executive

Fuck, Bob, what part of the speech do disagree with?

"LOL the mental gymnastics."

WTAF?

Sure in fascist countries, the judiciary denies the executive branch….the ignorance ROFL

Of course, it happens in fascist countries. Fascist countries like liberal countries are agitated by forces. Just like in liberal countries, the central power arbiters between forces.

The supreme court in the US did not read the law: they weighed in the forces that collided in the US and assessed the strongest side and sided with it. This supreme court supports Trump but is not almighty, they delayed as much as possible their decision to see if the balance of power would tilt in favour of Trump, which it did not.

Opposing forces were mainly businesses of all sizes and the supreme court must be pro business. If they are not pro businesses, the judges will jet out in no time.

Businesses in the US have a lot of pull and they massively relay their opinion. As soon as the supreme court was involved, businesses reported their demands in a gradual way: at first, they said that even this supreme court (meaning a supreme court so supportive of a president) had to rule against the tariffs (in favour of businesses then) It went through escalated statements to reach the point businesses clearly stated they would be better off if the tariffs farce was ended. With data piling on that the tariffs were not working as told, the supreme court was coerced to take action.

Even Iran, which is not fascist, has a judiciary that denies the executive.

The situation is such that US liberals have not dropped the moniker woke to explain the supreme court decision. Trump prefers to refer to foreign power influence, which can be partially accepted as correct.

For the fun of it, though, the supreme court will be referred as woke. They deny Trump so they are woke.

"LOL the mental gymnastics."

Mental gymnastics, cerebral contortion, liberalised imagination, eerie convolution;;; and more, all the signs of the liberalised mind... Liberals can not think straight as they deny their immediate surroundings.

WTAF?

Moz has gone from I don't need to defend Trump's action's on the world stage that are driving most of the world away from America because his tariff policies backed by good domestic economic data some how excuse it to just a few days later after Trump's tariff policy has been significantly weakened and the economic data was notably worse than expected, to the the view that's a good thing because it proves Trump isn't fascist. So I guess now Moz needs to go back and defend Trump's actions on the world stage now right?

Lets be honest if the supreme court ruled in favour of Trump's tariffs Moz would be telling us how it completely vindicates Trump's approach and how its such a good thing.

Separation of powers: exists, otherwise a country is not Democratic.

This was a victory for American Democracy.

However, Trump's reaction is that of an authoritarian dictator. He rubbished the system by alleging that some of the court has been bought off. This is what a dictator does, just like Hitler did. Hitler claimed it was the Jews when any decision went against him.

As for the level trading field story, that is true if you use Trump's numbers. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, they are not entitled to their own facts.

President Trump recently stated that the Supreme Court has been influenced by foreign interests. This came after a 6-3 ruling on February 20, 2026, striking down his "Liberation Day" tariffs imposed under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.

Key Statements

Trump remarked during a White House press conference: “It’s my opinion that the court has been swayed by foreign interests and a political movement that is far smaller than people would ever think”. He specifically pointed to "China-centric sleazebags" and suggested they pressured justices through "undue influence... whether it’s through fear or respect or friendships".

Context and Response

The comments followed the Supreme Court's decision that Trump overstepped his authority on the tariffs. When pressed for evidence of foreign influence, Trump replied cryptically, “You’re going to find out,” hinting at potential future revelations or investigations. He praised Justices Thomas, Alito, and Kavanaugh while criticizing others, including some he appointed.

Lets be honest

Yes go ahead, that would be a nice change

if the supreme court ruled in favour of Trump's tariffs Moz would be telling us how it completely vindicates Trump's approach and how its such a good thing.

….The Supreme court decision was on a point of law. Not on whether they are a good thing for America. Justices are versed in the law, and I’m not qualified to argue the legal point. But I have sat in Japanese conference rooms trying to strike a deal that would give American products the same access to Japan enjoyed by Japanese products in America. It’s was and I’m sure remains very hard.

This is the first administration fully on the side of the American worker, with regard to foreign trade. Not part of the Supreme Court’s brief.

Moz, don't expect the anti American crowd to understand the America first... foreign concept that charity starts at home.

foreign concept that charity starts at home.

It is very funny, Trump does not care. He throws his supporters under the bus at no notice. This happened just before Trump announced he would send a hospital ship to Greenland, showing again he has not given up on seizing Greenland. It is very funny because Trump wants to send a ship to Greenland, claiming that people are not taken care of while they are provided with full access to healthcare, contrary to the US.

And what is going to be even funnier is that liberals in the US will not tell Trump that the hospital ship resources would be better used in the US. Liberals live in fear, they can not call out their superior... It is very funny.

No you are right Draad, the US is just supposed to provide Europe’s defense and give them free access to our markets, while they snigger about how dumb the Yanks supposedly are and court China at the first sign of being denied.

Hmmm . . . is that an admission that the US's ex-trading partners are all running off in the direction of Beijing?

So much winning.

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Pence isn’t very bright

Tariffs are taxes that are decided by the House, not by the president. This is why the supreme court had to get involved.

America wanted to have military bases around the world, no one has forced them to do this.

Europe was buying its arms from America. However, it makes sense for Europe to back their own suppliers like the Grippen fighter jet.

Protectionism is fine, but any country that does this cant expect access to a free market in foreign countries.

The EU should roll out the trade Bazooka because they had an agreement that America have now breached by increasing tariffs to 15%.

Meanwhile, China are now down to 15%. If any country deserves to have tariffs it is China because of their currency manipulation that allows them to price the competition out of the market.

In a true free market, their should be no government subsidies - but many countries do this - albeit the Chinese more so.

This is not what Trump wanted...

Yes and if they didn’t have bases in Germany you’d now be eating borscht.

So much winning….the hockey gold medal….stuffing Trudeau’s yesterday message that ‘you can’t take our country and you can’t take our game’ right down his throat!

If France never helped America in your war of independence you would still be subjects to the British crown.

These are not eternal debts.

What like India, Australia and South Africa?

We did grant these countries independence, American won their own independence - thanks to France.

And we returned their country to them after the Germans threatened it, not once but twice. I’d say debt paid and all the money we spent to protect them since WW2 is a new debt. A little bit of gratitude wouldn’t go amiss.

No you are right Draad, the US is just supposed to provide Europe’s defense and give them free access to our markets, while they snigger about how dumb the Yanks supposedly are and court China at the first sign of being denied.

LOL you can't can't face up to the reality that Trump has acted appallingly on the world stage and rather than face the consequences of his actions which is the world turning away from America, you make lame excuses and blame the victims.

So much winning….the hockey gold medal….stuffing Trudeau’s yesterday message that ‘you can’t take our country and you can’t take our game’ right down his throat!

ROFL, that's what you call winning.

We did grant these countries independence, American won their own independence - thanks to France.

This isn't the first time Moz has brought up this stupid diversion back to WW1 and WW2 and I'm sure it won't be his last, but I wouldn't waste any more time engaging in good faith with this nonsense.

1. Country wins most golds (18) in Winter Games history
2. USA, GB and Australia also set team records
3. Norwegians put emphasis on participation

Utter nonsense. You need to do a bit more research on World War 2.

Many countries overdo their WW2 contribution through folklore and song.

The country that made the most contribution to winning WW2 was actually Russia.

Hitler made tactical errors by trying to fight too many countries at once.

However, Hitler lost to the Russian winter - more than anything else. (Just like Napoleon Bonaparte).

America provided financial resources, but only got to Europe near the end. America only entered after Pearl Harbour. Hitler was gradually losing, and the last few years were a clean up operation by the Allies. Russia did most of the fighting.

So, most of America's contributions were financial loans - which were paid back over the years.

Russians killed around 80% of the Nazi army

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/21/ukraine-us-betrayal-donald-trump-vladimir-putin

Viewed from Europe, the US’s failure to defend the people of Ukraine against Russian aggression is the greatest and most consequential of a host of recent American betrayals. It’s not just the sickening subservience shown to Vladimir Putin, an indicted war criminal and mass killer. It’s not only the victim-blaming and bullying of Kyiv into making concessions. It’s not even Donald Trump’s crass attempts to monetise the war and milk the misery of millions for Nobel glory, while undercutting Nato allies and trampling sovereign rights.

What really shocks, and hurts, is the sheer bad faith shown by a country that Europeans always counted a friend. As the 18th-century English gothic novelist Ann Radcliffe noted, “few circumstances are more afflicting than a discovery of perfidy in those whom we have trusted”. To echo Trump’s dark warning after he was rebuffed over Greenland: Europe will remember.

As the war enters its fifth year, it’s time for Europe to take the fight to Putin on its own terms and tell Trump to get lost

No you are right Draad, the US is just supposed to provide Europe’s defense and give them free access to our markets, while they snigger about how dumb the Yanks supposedly are and court China at the first sign of being denied.

LOL you can't can't face up to the reality that Trump has acted appallingly on the world stage and rather than face the consequences of his actions which is the world turning away from America, you make lame excuses and blame the victims.

Rofl! All these things were true well before Trump and will be true long after him.

This isn't the first time Moz has brought up this stupid diversion back to WW1 and WW2 and I'm sure it won't be his last, but I wouldn't waste any more time engaging in good faith with this nonsense.

Embarrassing I can understand why it upsets you when the Irish leaders were cozying up to Hitler, while the rest of the English speaking world was fighting him. A disgrace.

Utter nonsense. You need to do a bit more research on World War 2.

Many countries overdo their WW2 contribution through folklore and song.

The country that made the most contribution to winning WW2 was actually Russia.

Notice I made no comments about winning the war, I commented on liberating France. Did Russia liberate France? No response necessary.

Viewed from Europe, the US’s failure to defend the people of Ukraine against Russian aggression is the greatest and most consequential of a host of recent American betrayals.

So now it’s not only America’s responsibility to provide a shield over NATO Europe. Or to save Korea from China’s surrogates. It literally is responsible for the safety of the Ukraine….even though the main partner for Russia in an economic sense was actually Germany.

But even if it did that, the American boys fighting and dying on another continent for people they have no connection to, would just be ‘dumb Yanks’. Just as they were after WW2. Good on Trump for exposing this hypocrisy.

The US wage wars for their own interests. They have been at war since inception with few years of interruption. Painting any of their war waged by the US as performed to the benefit of others is another outrageous claim. Others benefiting from US is coincidental.

The US had a defence agreement with the Ukraine they did not honour.

Protection does not come from free: European countries have bought tons of US debt, which is a debt trap for them. They are a key element in the US con acting as the world reserve currency. A large part of European countries' problem come from this debt trap: they can not cash out and must keep buying. This deprives them of vital resources.

Moz, don't expect the anti American crowd to understand the America first

It is very funny. Liberals explain so many things by hate.

The supreme court postponed their assessment as far as they could. They were expected to give it back in August 2025. They put it off several times. The judges did not read the law, they gauged forces in presence and sided with the strongest side. Data showed nothing as Trump claimed it while they showed as the other side (businesses) claimed to be. The other courts gave their assessment faster than the supreme court and supreme court added nothing. Their report on the situation is basically the same as the other courts.

Already stated many times: people who are in a scheme of immediate consumption (the case for the vast majority of humanity) do not benefit from schemes based on differed consumption. It burdens them.

The Tariff farce could not benefit workers who are in an immediate scheme of consumption.

The US trade debt versus goods: they buy goods from other countries, give them USD and expect these countries to buy US debt. It is structural. The resources other countries allocate to buy US debt (differed consumption) can not be allocated to buy US goods (immediate consumption). And other countries need to sell goods to the US to get USD to buy US debt. It does not come from other countries. It comes from the US, it is an internal contradiction that liberals export, waiting for other countries to solve for them.

Now the rest of the world is split in many groups: some are saying they are fed up with the US tyranny and surge against it because they can. There are far more interesting groups: those who can take it no more, they are at the end of their rope, they can no longer sustain the US contradiction. They are falling apart. Liberals have placed many pyramidal schemes around the world, pyramids are very stable structures but they always collapse from their bottom. And the bottom of many US pyramidal schemes are yielding, they can merely no longer bear and meet the demand.

Fun days ahead.

Rofl! All these things were true well before Trump and will be true long after him.

Your talking rubbish as usual.

Embarrassing I can understand why it upsets you when the Irish leaders were cozying up to Hitler, while the rest of the English speaking world was fighting him. A disgrace.

LOL I suppose you can name the Irish leaders cozying up to Hitler?

Again nonsense distraction.

Your talking rubbish as usual.

And you’re making assertions without proof as usual:

1 The image of the ‘ugly American’ was rife way before Trump. He didn’t create that image….the image created him in many Europeans’ minds. He was a perfect fit for their biases.

2 Europe never addressed the trade deficit, they exacerbated it by putting more restrictions in addition to tariffs onAmercican goods. And then they started fining the Tech companies….the new piggy bank.

Economic policy which the little men in suits like to quote, not only says tariffs lower aggregate economic success….it also says economic imbalances have to be addressed by both parties. I’d say after 60 years of growing imbalances it was time for the US to address them. Europe was never going to do anything,

LOL I suppose you can name the Irish leaders cozying up to Hitler?

1. Eamon de Valera (Taoiseach/Prime Minister): As the head of government, de Valera strictly maintained neutrality but provoked international outrage by visiting German Minister Eduard Hempel to express condolences upon Adolf Hitler's death in May 1945. While his actions were seen by some as a calculated display of sovereignty rather than true ideological alignment, they were widely criticized as sympathetic to the Nazis.
2. Douglas Hyde (President): As Ireland’s head of state, Hyde officially visited the German legation to express condolences following the news of Hitler's death.
3. Sean Russell (IRA Chief of Staff): A prominent republican leader, Russell actively collaborated with Nazi Germany to secure arms against Britain, traveling on a U-boat and dying in German service.
4. Francis Stuart: An Irish novelist who lived in Berlin during the war, broadcasting for the Nazi regime.
5. The Guardian +5

While the Irish government maintained a neutral stance and even provided secret, limited aid to the Allies, the actions of visiting the German legation were interpreted as a diplomatic, albeit controversial, adherence to protocol, which in the context of 1945, appeared to excuse the Nazi leadership

1 The image of the ‘ugly American’ was rife way before Trump. He didn’t create that image….the image created him in many Europeans’ minds. He was a perfect fit for their biases.

No what you call an ugly American's image was created by ugly Americans. Another example of some American's being completely shocked that when they act like assholes to the outside world people don't tend to like them for it. But yeah consequences.

Europe never addressed the trade deficit, they exacerbated it by putting more restrictions in addition to tariffs onAmercican goods. And then they started fining the Tech companies….the new piggy bank.

America's spending problem is Europe's problem to fix is it? I've acknowledged several times that there is merit to a rebalancing global trade. It's in everyone's interest. The problem is Trump is not trying to rebalance trade he's trying to massively imbalance it the other way because he doesn't believe in win win, it's either win or lose. Before Liberation the average tariff on European products going into the US was 2-3% while the other way round US products going into the EU it 3-4%, so Trump wanted a trade war over 1% higher tariffs. What do we know have 15% tariffs on EU products going into the US, oh yeah that's very balanced. As for the fine's on tech companies, the US tech companies operate in Europe because its highly profitable, but if they want to operate in EU territory they need to abide by EU rules, just as EU companies who operate in the US operate under US rules. Unlike the US and it's obsession with making money above all else the EU isn't going to allow big tech to do whatever the hell they want to the determent of society at large. This notion that Europe is fining US tech companies as some sort of cash cow, is just nonsense garbage coming out of America's MAGA wing who simply can't fathom that other countries have their own laws and if they operate in them they are subject to them. But another fact of the matter is that by and large Europe doesn't need or want what America is selling outside of services. Your food is of lower standards and your cars are not suited to European roads/lack fuel efficiency, but also American car's just aren't as popular as other countries cars. Japan had virtually no tariffs on US cars but US car market share in Japan is even lower than Europe's.

Economic policy which the little men in suits like to quote, not only says tariffs lower aggregate economic success….it also says economic imbalances have to be addressed by both parties. I’d say after 60 years of growing imbalances it was time for the US to address them. Europe was never going to do anything,

And Trump's policies are just making everything worse. It's a mess of contradictions, uncertainty and questionable legality.

LOL I suppose you can name the Irish leaders cozying up to Hitler?

ROFL., you call cozying up to Hitler, following diplomatic protocol and offering condolences to the German delegation in Ireland on the death of their countries leader. How da f**k do you cozy up to dead man? That has to be dumbest stretch I've ever heard. I guess Ireland must of secretly captured Hitler's body and planned to resurrect him in some sort of Return to Castle Wolfenstein style cult ceremony.

But on Dev, seems the Jews didn't think Dev was much of a Nazi sympathizer when they planted and named a forest after him in Israel.

Russel was the leader of an illegal terrorist organisation that in no way representative of the majority of the Irish people. By 1941 it had less than 1,000 members, many of whom were in jail. And the IRA's contact with Germany was more of a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And the IRA weren't the only ones doing it either. The Israeli/Jewish paramilitary group Lehi was so opposed to Britain's rule in Mandatory Palestine it twice tried to form an alliance with Nazi Germany. Aside from that we had American fascist organisations German American Bund which had 25,000 members, by your logic we could argue American and Jewish leaders were cozying up to Hitler.

And Francis Stuart was well as the article stated a novelist. Which political party did he lead again?

So yes in conclusion you're still talking rubbish.

Here’s the thing, there isn’t a South African on this Board who doesn’t condemn Apartheid today, having had time and exposure to other opinions. Why don’t you step up to the plate and condemn Irish neutrality in WW2 ….as the only English speaking nation that never took a stand against Fascism or the worst Genocide in history.

The floor is your’s do you condemn the Irish national policy of neutrality in WW2?

ROFL, the desperation.

The cowardly hypocrisy….be a man of principle and condemn Ireland’s neutrality towards the biggest villain in history.

Same MO as Rooi...with the addition of walls of text.