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Moz, something for you.

Started by Plum18 REPLIES439 VIEWS· 13 May 2023, 10:21
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 May 2023, 10:21
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13 May 2023, 10:21#1
https://unsigned.io/articles/2023_03_17_Abstractions_Set_In_Granite.html This is a link to an article where mathematicians have studied a detailed 3d scan of a granite vase that is at least 5000 years old. While I do understand that you may have little interest in the topic, you may find some of the results interesting. The observations contained in the article are mind boggling to say the least. I would love to hear your take.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 May 2023, 21:55
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13 May 2023, 21:55#2

Plum my first reaction was, if something seems impossible it probably is. The images in your post looked far too unweathered to represent reality….Is it a modern fake? But the carbon dating and the weathering evident in the video dispelled this.

Secondly one wondered, could it be a huge coincidence. Maybe the body curvature represent some efficient boundary for the vessel, which just happened to align with the formula. But the lip dimensions, again neatly mathematical, can’t have had overwhelming purpose.

So that raises the ancient CAD/CAM possibility. If these people have done their work right one is drawn to that conclusion. But how to get further proof.

If indeed this is CAD/CAM one would guess there must have been many examples made. Find other examples and the hypothesis of ancient capability is supported. If they can’t be found the mystery becomes compelling in a different way. 

One last area to explore might be the dimensions of the block out of which this was carved, are they random,  or is the block itself  of interest. Cool stuff.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 May 2023, 08:39
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14 May 2023, 08:39#3
Thanks, Moz. The providence of the vase has previously been raised. As I understand it, it's from a private collection where it's been for a while. There are many more examples though. They found tens of thousands of them under the Step Pyramid. There are quite a few on display in Egypt but nobody has managed to get permission to carry out a similar study on even a single one of those. Something i find unforgivable considering how many there are and what could be learned. Egyptology goes with the explanation that these were made by hand with primitive tools. I'd say that would be impossible for the vase in this article. What I'm interested to know is what it would cost to produce similar today.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 May 2023, 15:14
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14 May 2023, 15:14#4

These comments on are interesting:


‘The creators of this object inscribed ?? to perfection at the microscopic scale, in one of the hardest and most difficult materials to work with. I remain doubtful, that it would even be possible to replicate this result with modern CNC machinery.’

In view of:


The earliest written approximations of ? are found in Babylon and Egypt, both within one percent of the true value. In Babylon, a clay tablet dated 1900–1600 BC has a geometrical statement that, by implication, treats ? as 25/8 = 3.125.[41] In Egypt, the Rhind Papyrus, dated around 1650 BC but copied from a document dated to 1850 BC, has a formula for the area of a circle that treats ? as 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 May 2023, 15:17
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14 May 2023, 15:17#5

So they were exactly replicating pi, 5000 years ago, whereas the earliest approximations inEgypt were in  1600 BC.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
14 May 2023, 15:33
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14 May 2023, 15:33#6

This can only mean one thing.

There must have been an alien superspecies living on earth so long ago that they either left the exact same fossils as early hominids or else all their special fossils are buried under what used to be Atlantis and is now somewhere deep under the Atlantic ocean . . . and these special beings with superior intellect were all mysteriously killed off . . . probably by some vaccine developed by naughty globalists of the time . . . or something like that.

Right? That is what we're saying here isn't it?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 May 2023, 15:42
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14 May 2023, 15:42#7

Is it?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
14 May 2023, 15:46
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14 May 2023, 15:46#8

Ummmm . . . aren't we saying this vase was constructed before we were supposed to be capable of constructing it?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
14 May 2023, 15:59
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14 May 2023, 15:59#9

Yes? No?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
14 May 2023, 16:16
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14 May 2023, 16:16#10

Must add - despite my obvious skepticism - the original link that ButtPlug posted is a very well presented argument even if I readily admit I don't understand much of the maths.

I especially liked the signoff: "In the scientific endeavour, all theories are provisional, and must yield when a simpler one, that better fits the evidence, can be constructed. If this fundamental tenet ceases to hold primacy, science ceases to be science, and instead degrades into dogma."

Couldn't agree more. 

It is an incredible vase!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 May 2023, 16:20
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14 May 2023, 16:20#11

Yes to that….no to your silly rant about Atlantis.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
14 May 2023, 16:54
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14 May 2023, 16:54#12

Silly rant? What's the alternative? What's a better explanation than my silly rant?

These guys are saying that it's impossible for this vase to have been constructed without a sophisticated computer.

Right?

The most common explanation for an extinct civilization capable of using computers is the legend of Atlantis. 

Right?

So why is it a silly rant, smartypants? What is your alternative? What are you bringing to the table? 

Don't be vague and evasive now . . .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 May 2023, 17:05
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14 May 2023, 17:05#13
They are simply dealing with the facts….the vase shows not only incredible precision in manufacture, but also complete adherence to mathematical formulae. And it was carbon dated to more than 5000 years ago, when some of the mathematical concepts weren’t even recorded in our history.
Your explanation was intended to be derogatory, then I’m guessing you actually read the article and were honest enough to admit it impressed you.
Where does that leave us? With a mystery  that should be fully explored or debunked if something isn’t right.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
14 May 2023, 17:29
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14 May 2023, 17:29#14

"Where does that leave us? With a mystery  that should be fully explored or debunked if something isn’t right."

Vague and evasive.

It's a yes or no question. Do you believe a computer (or "turing machine of considerable sophistication") was required to produce that vase or don't you?

If you do, please provide a supporting thesis that is better known or more respected than Atlantis. Thanks.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 May 2023, 18:51
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14 May 2023, 18:51#15

I don’t believe anything about the creation of the vase, other than it doesn’t square with known technological developments. If you want to attribute it to Atlantis, go ahead, I can neither prove nor disprove your claim.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 May 2023, 20:10
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14 May 2023, 20:10#16
Assuming that one accepts the stated age of the vase, why the need for imperceptible levels of precision? It makes no sense to create something that precise out of that material...simply to hold oil or wine. The simplest answer is because it was easy and/or a byproduct of the tool used to create it. Why draw a picture made entirely out of perfectly straight lines when freehand would have sufficed? The simple answer, because you had a ruler.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 May 2023, 20:21
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14 May 2023, 20:21#17
Just to add, if this vase were on a mantle somewhere, one wouldn't pay it much attention. Meanwhile... I find that brilliant!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 May 2023, 20:31
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16 May 2023, 20:31#18
It’s inconceivable that this finding would not spark further research.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 May 2023, 09:51
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17 May 2023, 09:51#19
I found a primitive form of job creation!
Surely one is simply extorting the client at this point...

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