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Not Everyone infected by Covid produces immunity

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
25 Nov 2021, 00:56
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25 Nov 2021, 00:56#1

A Harvard study has also showed that people who have had a combination of vaccines and natural infection have "substantially higher antibody responses" than people who have only been vaccinated.

"They have very good levels of protection," Dr Ali adds.

"Because each time you are exposed to the vaccine or the virus, you develop an immune response."

'It's not a hard shield'

Although most people develop some level of immunity from getting the virus naturally, it is not guaranteed, Dr Deepti Gurdasani warns.

"Neither natural infection nor vaccination should be seen as a hard shield," the clinical epidemiologist at Queen Mary University tells Sky News.

"You get more varying levels of immune response from natural infection than you do from vaccination.

"Not everyone who gets infected naturally seroconverts [produces an immune response]."

She also says lower immune responses are more common in people who get no or mild symptoms, as well as children and young people.


"Some don't produce immune responses at all," she adds.


"If you have had two doses and a natural infection - you have got some boosted immunity, but the protection you get from both is just a layer - it's not absolute."


Boosters, tests and hand washing important for Christmas


As Christmas approaches, with more socialising and case rates still considerably high, experts have warned the UK is facing a tough winter - and the NHS being overwhelmed.


And with immunity waning a few months after getting a second vaccine, both scientists are urging people to get booster jabs if they are eligible.



"There is more and more evidence that this [coronavirus] is a three-dose vaccine," Dr Gurdasani says.


"Lots of people are at the stage now where they're three or four-months post-vaccination and are getting breakthrough infections.


"It highlights the importance of boosters and of seeing each thing you do, whether that be a test, wearing a mask or recovering from infection, as a layer of protection - not absolute protection."


Dr Ali adds: "The most important thing is still to have the vaccine, but it's also true that the vaccine isn't 100% effective.


"So if you're mixing with vulnerable or elderly relatives over Christmas, basic interventions like taking a lateral flow test and washing your hands regularly are still important".

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2021, 22:25
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25 Nov 2021, 22:25#2

And the you have this: "in South Africa. The super-variant is said to have an extremely high number of mutations. The variant has also been found in Botswana and Hong Kong. Experts in South Africa say they don't know if vaccines work against the variant. #eNCA"

Sounds like yet another excuse for the vaccines not being nearly as effective as being claimed in the media daily...

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
25 Nov 2021, 22:31
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25 Nov 2021, 22:31#3
True, but the article suggests that 3 doses are looking better than 2. It is not just about how long it lasts, it produces an immune response each time training the immun e system to deal with the real thing. 

The Botswana variant sounds similar to the South African variant. Hopefully, it is less infectious, so it does not become the dominant one. 

The Botswana one and SA one may be able to get around both vaccine and past infection. 

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AJHPro3,183 posts
25 Nov 2021, 23:59
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25 Nov 2021, 23:59#4

First one.

then two.

now we are hearing about a third shot.

soon it will be every year.

or every 3-6 months.

Someone is making a fortune on us.

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