Are people supposed to believe that Iran having intercontinental missiles matter for liberals? No matter the situation, liberals will act to further their best interests. And unless Iran gets nuclear bomb capacity, it will not change.
Great stuff Trad...
If Iran really had intercontinenal missiles, with a range of 4000km, why wait until now to use them and why waste the first shot on a base you know will be defended?
It doesn't really make sense.
But if Israel fired it, the logic is clear. Create the impression Iran has capable intercontinental missiles, that can be carrying Nuclear heads.
Israel and the US coordinate beforehand, the missile gets shot down cleanly, no casualties, but the whole world now sees that a missile with 4000km range was fired in this conflict.
The narrative is set without anyone actually dying. Very neat and very calculated.
Which then justifies whatever response Israel wants to use including potentially nuclear, against Iran.
Strip away all the justifications and it comes down to the same thing every time. Land, resources and power.
Iran with it's vast oil and natural gas reserves + massive land gain.
Same counts for the Russia/Ukraine war. Ukraine Posessing 25% of the world's most fertile black soil (chernozem) and is a top global exporter of sunflower oil and grain.
Israel and the US coordinate beforehand, the missile gets shot down cleanly, no casualties, but the whole world now sees that a missile with 4000km range was fired in this conflict.
The narrative is set without anyone actually dying. Very neat and very calculated.
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So the US has just given Israel huge leverage over them by participating in a conspiracy. And literally thousands of people have to keep the secret?
Highly unlikely. What’s far more likely is Iran is in a leadership vacuum and various players are acting on their own initiative and some rogue, super radical group decided to ignore the lie that they don’t have medium range weapons and shock the world by attacking something as far away as a European capital.
Moz, my two good questions got completely ignored. Why would Iran wait until now to use a 4000km missile if they had one?
And why waste the first shot on a base they know will be defended? Those two questions alone, challenge the Iran story strongly.
The thousands of people keeping a secret argument is a weak excuse.Two allied militaries that talk to each other every single day coordinating one missile intercept is not a grand conspiracy, that is just another Tuesday for them.
And then you throw in a rogue radical group as the more likely explanation? Based on what exactly?
At least the logic behind the false flag holds together. Your rogue group theory is just as speculative, except it has nothing backing it up.
Well right now some leaders in Iran are talking to the USA and some are saying they will never talk to the US. That appears to indicate a breakdown in normal government. So rogue groups are not implausible, not is a breakdown in military communications.
As for the Israel Collusion conspiracy theory, the very word collusion should give you pause, just as it should have given the Russian Collusion crowd pause. What you are describing means jail and disgrace if exposed, for all concerned including Trump.He would never put his neck in that noose.
This from the Editorial Board of the Wall Street Journal today:
The rulers in Iran are hoping to move the war to a theater more favorable to their side: the negotiating table. But one of Iran’s nonstarter demands (see nearby) is an unconstrained missile program—days after the regime fired at the American and British military base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
The Journal reports that the Iranians fired two missiles at the base in recent days. One fell short and U.S. forces fired a Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) interceptor at another. The launch is “the furthest ever attempted Iranian missile strike,” the Institute for the Study of War notes. “The attack demonstrated that Iranian missiles can reach beyond the 2,000-kilometer limit that the regime has long claimed to have self-imposed.” Diego Garcia is about double that distance from Iran.
That Iran is trying to strike the British-American strategic outpost in the Indian Ocean is a testament to the threat. For all the derision about “a war of choice,” Mr. Trump was correct to act before Iranian missiles grow in number, range and accuracy.
The reach also underscores that the missile program isn’t merely Israel’s problem. The Iranians clearly aspire to put European cities in play, and eventually the U.S. homeland too. This should alert America’s allies that their interest is in helping the United States—no matter how tired the Europeans are of President Trump’s consistent inconsistency.
The episode also is a reminder of the virtues of missile defense. U.S. systems like Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (Thaad) and SM-3 have demonstrated their effectiveness, and now everybody wants more interceptors. It’s easy to forget that even shorter-range air defenses were conceived in controversy—derided by the American left as too expensive and provocative to enemies, as if America would somehow be safer if it remained defenseless.
The war is demonstrating how wrong those critics were, and the same logic applies to homeland missile defense. Mr. Trump is right to pursue a Golden Dome shield that can reduce the odds of a successful attack from a determined power like Iran. The shots fired at Diego Garcia are a moment of clarity about America’s enemies.
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This pretty much sums up my point of view. War is always a failure on somebody’s part and a failure of the human race.But there are times one has to act. The reason Iran is denying the strike is because their leaders, whoever they are, realize it exactly defines the risk Iran poses.
...and you say that with a straight face?...it was BS.
Yes because it's a matter of public record.
‘Capped’ but not capped. In other words a lie just as I originally stated,
How is it a lie if they are on public record saying that. They said the reserved the right to increase the range if they wanted too.
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How does that tell us CNN was lying, they simply and more likely just got confirmed updated information.
They reserved the right to increase the range…in other words it’s all bs proved by sending a 2500 mile rocket capable of reaching Paris.
BS baffles brains...or rather lack there of...prime example...
W e have t he Trump haters believing Iran - not on any proof to form their opinion. Whatsoever Trump des and say are luies, The same people believe that Trump was supported by PUtin in the 2016 e;ectioon that later proved to be lies concocted by Obama and Clinton.
The same people believe that Trump was guilty of the concocted fake criminal charges before the 2024 election and preachedf n a daily basis that he is going to go to jail.
The same people beleieve conspiracy theories about the Epstein syndiome they suffer from.
The same people thinjk theat Iran are angels and not spreading terrorism worldwide and six months ago that Iran will have nuclear arms soon - and celebrated because the previous bombardment of uranium enrichment sites was a flop and that Iran was only slightly delayed in development of nuclear armaments and ready to use them wnenever they like to.
Yert now they beleve that the fac is that Iran has rleigious fanatics in charge and they would use nuclear bombs top meet their fanatiocal deires, But that is no nother iof they use it a gainst Isrfael ofr other enemies in the ME. Si their was no thrt attache to a nucleaar=armed Iran/
There was a year of negotiations with Iran and nobody could get anything out of the negotiators without any progress because the negotiaors representing Iran could give no undertakings and the negotiations were useless - because nobody knew who was co-oirdunating the negotiations, So who is actually in charge of Iran now after the late Ayatollah met his much deserved and criuel end, Who is incharge now?
The Pakistan Govern ment is dealing with the issue and implications are that if there were no real negotiations on the way the Pakistan Government must be the liars.
So you lot has the right to decide based on your pet hatred who is right and who is wrong in this case, Stop pretending you know exactly what is going on based on fake media reports and prejudice where facts means nothing in this case,
Stav
"Yes because it's a matter of public record".
Who estabhed and rovide the public record you refer to, Who made it pblic and what methods ere used as part of the public record.? What prove of authenticity was provided?
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So negotiations were happening it seems.....
Imagine that ..