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Reads like a similar event of what happened in George Orwells satirical novel Animal Farm

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SebPro2,680 posts
02 Apr 2023, 13:38
#1
02 Apr 2023, 13:38#1

Zelensky slaps sanctions on ‘Hero of Ukraine’

Vyacheslav Boguslaev, the ex-president of Ukrainian aerospace giant Motor Sich, had previously been detained on treason charges

Vyacheslav Boguslaev, a former president of Ukrainian aerospace giant Motor Sich, was included on a sanctions list by President Vladimir Zelensky on Saturday. He was recently fired as the head of the aircraft-engine manufacturer and had been accused of treason by Kiev.

Boguslaev, 83, who had been at the helm of Motor Sich since 1991, was awarded the ‘Hero of Ukraine’ honor for his accomplishments back in 2000. He is also a former politician, who served as an MP for several terms and held various advisory positions under a number of Ukrainian presidents, from Leonid Kravchuk to Viktor Yanukovich.

In October 2022, he was detained on treason charges after Ukraine’s domestic security agency (SBU) claimed he had been secretly selling spare parts and engines to Russian helicopter producers. He now faces the prospect of at least 10 years behind bars.

 

The EU also imposed restrictions on Boguslaev in its tenth sanctions package in late February 2023.

Boguslaev’s name appeared on a long list of people sanctioned by Ukraine on Saturday, which included Ukrainians, Russians and Iranians. Kiev also blacklisted a former police chief of the central Cherkasy Region, Vladimir Lipandin.

Lipandin headed the regional law enforcement department until the 2014 Maidan coup before being fired by the post-coup government. In May 2022, he was appointed as the police chief of Kherson Region, which was at that time controlled by Russian forces. The region formally joined Russia in autumn 2022, following a referendum.

Those subjected to personal sanctions by Kiev will have their assets in Ukraine frozen and be barred from moving capital out of the country for ten years. On Saturday, Zelensky slapped sanctions on a total of 273 people and 380 entities, including Russia’s Finance Ministry and the upper house of the Russian parliament, the Federation Council.


When the wheels start coming off, weak governments tend to create scape goats, by framing and "set-ups".


It's a sign of regime's starting to fall, Boguslaev is not the first and it's probable won't be the last.


 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Apr 2023, 14:46
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02 Apr 2023, 14:46#2

In the case of Ukraine it is who can steal most in Ukraine - Zelenskyy and his cronies or the rest who are not in Zelenskyy's party. 

The second question is where were the $15 million found in a car driven by a confidant of Zelenskyy going.    Likey to hs paymasters in Washington.   They gve Ukraine billions and get back millions in return. 

It is routine to arrest this guy - he was a prominent Russian speaking politician before 2019 - but it must be borne in mind that the dictatorial Government in Ukraine has arrested all Rusian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament before banning the functioning of all political party  actvities in Ukraine - other than Zelenskyy's own Party.   

Since the 1991 constitution of Ukraine was discarded after 2014 and Zlenskyy illegally fired his Attorney General when she could not find a reason as defined in the said Constitution to charge the arrested politicians based on the discarded Constitution.   At this stage Ukraine is Governed by clique of corrupt individuals who make sure they have ample money outside of Ukraine when they lose power.         


 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2023, 17:03
#3
02 Apr 2023, 17:03#3

Zelensky Pretensky is a crook...actor playing theater. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2023, 18:40
#4
02 Apr 2023, 18:40#4

Sorry but didn’t the EU agree this man has been double dealing. I quote you:

‘The EU also imposed restrictions on Boguslaev in its tenth sanctions package in late February 2023.’

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Let’s simplify….Russia good……America bad. Does that cover it?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Apr 2023, 18:45
#5
02 Apr 2023, 18:45#5

When the wheels start coming off, weak governments tend to create scape goats, by framing and "set-ups".

It's a sign of regime's starting to fall, Boguslaev is not the first and it's probable won't be the last.

Disillusion stuff. A Russian supporter claiming the Ukrainian government is weak for tackling corruption yet remains silent on the endemic corruption within Russia.  The Ukrainian government is weak yet the glorious and powerful Russian state can't overcome it. And the regime is starting to fall when it retains overwhelming public support in Ukraine and the Russian winter offensive is running out of steam and Ukraine shows no sign of giving up.

The second question is where were the $15 million found in a car driven by a confidant of Zelenskyy going.    Likey to hs paymasters in Washington.   They gve Ukraine billions and get back millions in return.

Evidence?

It is routine to arrest this guy - he was a prominent Russian speaking politician before 2019 -

He was arrested on charges of treason, treason not being an unheard of occurrence during war time. I have no clue as to validity of the charges leveled against him but I 100% certain you don't either.

 but it must be borne in mind that the dictatorial Government in Ukraine has arrested all Rusian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament before banning the functioning of all political party  actvities in Ukraine - other than Zelenskyy's own Party.  

Utter bullshit and two seconds of fact checking can confirm that.

Since the 1991 constitution of Ukraine was discarded after 2014 and Zlenskyy illegally fired his Attorney General when she could not find a reason as defined in the said Constitution to charge the arrested politicians based on the discarded Constitution.

Bollocks she was charged with treason. With accusations that 60 members of her team remained in occupied territory and collaborated with the Russians. Again I've no clue of the validity of these claims and neither do you.

At this stage Ukraine is Governed by clique of corrupt individuals who make sure they have ample money outside of Ukraine when they lose power.        

Do you every get tired of peddling utter twaddle.

Zelensky Pretensky is a crook...actor playing theater.

Evidence?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2023, 19:30
#6
02 Apr 2023, 19:30#6

The fact that the Russians are worse, doesn't make the Ukrainians good...Zelensky is a crook, not a hero...Putin makes him relevant...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2023, 20:12
#7
02 Apr 2023, 20:12#7

But the Ukrainians are heroes….perhaps the most epic resistance by by an  overmatched nation since the Greeks repelled the Persians.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Apr 2023, 20:34
#8
02 Apr 2023, 20:34#8

The fact that the Russians are worse, doesn't make the Ukrainians good...Zelensky is a crook, not a hero...Putin makes him relevant...

So no evidence then ...right gotcha.

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
03 Apr 2023, 00:43
#9
03 Apr 2023, 00:43#9


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2023, 02:48
#10
03 Apr 2023, 02:48#10

 Stav

There si plenty of evidence that the Ukraine governments since 1991 has all been corrupt and Ukraine has been rated as the most corrupt country in Europe.   

There is no indication that the situation changed under Zelenskyy - matter in fact it looks as if it increased together with the increase in US Aid Money.   The ultra-corrupt US Government adds to the corruption problem in Ukraine.   

Just two simple question - where did the $15 million in cash carried in the car driven by a Zelenskyy loyalist on the Hungary border came from and where was it going?   What happened to the US Aids money invested by Ukraine in FTX?   Where did that money go and where did it vanish to?  

Back to the USA - where did that money go and where did it vanish to?   All that is conformed is that $70 million was donated to the DNC to assist   in election expenses in 2022,   Although the vanishing of $5 billion from FTX was probably the biggest fraud ever committed in the USA - the newspapers have gone quiet on that one and the fraudster is out on $250 million bail.   Of that about $1 million was raised by a friend of the family and the family themselves - who guaranteed the other $249 million is a State secret not to be exposed.   Although there is no sign that the alleged crook will be charged and the Democrats is likely to stop charges to cover up their own role in the fraud,   

        

        

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Apr 2023, 07:30
#11
03 Apr 2023, 07:30#11

"But the Ukrainians are heroes….perhaps the most epic resistance by by an  overmatched nation since the Greeks repelled the Persians."

A Spartan performance indeed.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Apr 2023, 09:00
#12
03 Apr 2023, 09:00#12

The battlefield and the objectives play a large role in war. You may have more troops, but quickly dislodging a determined enemy is not a given even if you have numerical superiority. See the Anglo-Boer War as an example. The trained soldiers of an empire against a bunch of farmers, and they had to resort to every dirty tactic in the book to get it to a close.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2023, 09:07
#13
03 Apr 2023, 09:07#13

Stav

Thanks for the info on the Attorney General concerned be charged with treason.    If subordinates appointed by the Zelenskyy Government and predecessors remained in the occupied area and co-operated with the Russians does that make the present Attorney General guilty of treason?   That sounds funny to me.

The reason I saw as given for the discharge of the Attorney General was her refusal to charge the Russian Speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament with treason after they voted for condemning a potential invasion of Ukraine by Russia.   The Attorney General could only be discharged in terms of the 1991 Constitution once a two-thirds majority of the Ukraine Parliament has approved the discharge.    There was no such authority to discharge given to Zelenskyy.   This incident is further proof that  Ukraine  has no Constitution at present.

Just answer me one simple question.    Did Zeesnkyy ban all opposition parties from fuctioning in Ukraine?   Did he ban the functioning of the Ukraine Orthodox Church as well?   Yes or no would suffice in this regard.

Another 2 question please - is the present Ukraine Government a democracy or a dictatorship?    Has the present Ukraine got a democratic Constitution?

                           

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Apr 2023, 10:24
#14
03 Apr 2023, 10:24#14

 Stav

There si plenty of evidence that the Ukraine governments since 1991 has all been corrupt and Ukraine has been rated as the most corrupt country in Europe.

Its absolutely true that Ukraine rates very poorly for corruption and was one of the worst countries in Europe for corruption. However pretty much every corruption index rates Russia worse for corruption. Something you seem to ignore.
here is no indication that the situation changed under Zelenskyy

Since the war began multiple people have been either dismissed or arrested for corruption.
- matter in fact it looks as if it increased together with the increase in US Aid Money.   The ultra-corrupt US Government adds to the corruption problem in Ukraine.   Just two simple question - where did the $15 million in cash carried in the car driven by a Zelenskyy loyalist on the Hungary border came from and where was it going?   What happened to the US Aids money invested by Ukraine in FTX?   Where did that money go and where did it vanish to?
Who's making those claims. What evidence has been provided?
Thanks for the info on the Attorney General concerned be charged with treason.    If subordinates appointed by the Zelenskyy Government and predecessors remained in the occupied area and co-operated with the Russians does that make the present Attorney General guilty of treason?   That sounds funny to me.
I don't have access to the evidence. So I have no idea whether she is guilty or not. Neither do you.
The reason I saw as given for the discharge of the Attorney General was her refusal to charge the Russian Speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament with treason after they voted for condemning a potential invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
I have no idea where you get your information from. But a quick check online shows the reason the Ukrainian government for her dismissal was treason.
 The Attorney General could only be discharged in terms of the 1991 Constitution once a two-thirds majority of the Ukraine Parliament has approved the discharge.    There was no such authority to discharge given to Zelenskyy.   This incident is further proof that  Ukraine  has no Constitution at present.
Mike Zelenskyy is the elected President of Ukraine. He has the support of the Ukrainian people and is internationally recognized. Yes the 2014 overthrow of Yanukovych was unconstitutional as was the the separatist uprising in the east of the country, although both where matters internal to Ukraine. But its rather hard to establish a new constitution when part of your country has been seized by separatists backed by a foreign nation and there is an active dispute between all the parties involved. There has since been elections in Ukraine since 2014 and Zelenskyy was the legit winner of the last one. By your logic no government since 2014 has had authority to do anything, what was Ukraine just suppose to run itself without any decisions being made since then? And yes I know your going to say the Minsk agreements should have been implemented, come back to me on that when you have a balanced overview of Minsk and not just the Russian interpretation of the agreement.

Just answer me one simple question.    Did Zeesnkyy ban all opposition parties from fuctioning in Ukraine?

No he did not. He banned several parties on the grounds they had links to Russia, but multiple other political parties remained active. The largest opposition party he banned has since reformed itself as new party under a different name and is back in parliament albeit minus a few members who fled to Russia.
Did he ban the functioning of the Ukraine Orthodox Church as well?   Yes or no would suffice in this regard.
You want a yes no answer because you want to avoid acknowledging on what grounds the Ukrainian's did this. The Ukrainian government believes they where collaborating with Russia.

Another 2 question please - is the present Ukraine Government a democracy or a dictatorship?
Has the present Ukraine got a democratic Constitution?
Its a democracy, elected by its people and has overwhelming public support in Ukraine and is internationally recognized. There is a functioning parliament and opposition parties.  It has enacted quite stringent security measures, but understandable so due to warm time conditions. The US and UK did that during World War 2 and no one accused them of being dictatorships at the time.
And yes it does have a constitution.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Apr 2023, 14:28
#15
03 Apr 2023, 14:28#15

"Did he ban the functioning of the Ukraine Orthodox Church as well?   Yes or no would suffice in this regard.


You want a yes no answer because you want to avoid acknowledging on what grounds the Ukrainian's did this. The Ukrainian government believes they where collaborating with Russia."

Collaborators...mmm???
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Apr 2023, 15:04
#16
03 Apr 2023, 15:04#16
Collaborators...mmm???
Its not like we have access to the evidence and can prove it one way or another but considering the history of the UOC and the present circumstance of the war, its hardly beyond reason that some people and organizations might choose to collaborate.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Apr 2023, 15:36
#17
03 Apr 2023, 15:36#17

It's concerning that a church is banned and we some are thinking that it should be excusable under certain conditions...same for some opposition parties...what's next? ...It reminds of the US concentration camps for ethnic Japanese during WW II...more than valid reasons for, but a slippery slope non the less...the origin of the term which hunt springs to mind...war is a terrible thing for everyone involved. especially the "spectators" .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2023, 16:00
#18
03 Apr 2023, 16:00#18

You are trying to get logical answers to questions.   You agree the Government overthrow was Unconstitutional - but then went on with a myth that it was not possible to implement a new Constitution for Ukraine.    That really is stret5ching the issue into BS region.   The Minsk Agreement to stop hostilities in Ukraine realized the need for a new Constitution in Ukraine and suggested that a federal basis for such a Constitution was necessary,   It went further and suggested that the new Constitution be voted on by all Ukrainians and that the two eastern provinces not under control of the control of the Ukraine Government would co-operate in the referendum.

Why was the agreement reached never implemented?    It was countersigned by the German, French and Russian Government - as well as the Ukraine Government and the leadership of the Eastern Ukraine Oblasts not under Ukraine control.    In the first instance what stopped implementation?    The fact is the agreement was undermined initially by the Obama Administration and afterwards by Trump - whose presidency was undermined by the Russian Collusion lies.    Although there were still sporadic minor skirmishes in Ukraine from time to time since 2015, the situation when Trump was President was not a major issue at all.   There was no threatened Russian attack on Ukraine while Trump was President - it started to go awry when Biden became President.

When in a desperate effort to stop the invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops the representatives from the same countries met again and the resolutions of the Minsk agreement was reconfirmed - but the Biden came in and made a speech in the USA.   In the speech he claimed that the projected war would have an objective of removing Putin as President of Russia and on that it was clear that there will be no peaceful agreement possible.   

Ok - I did never ignore the fact of corruption in Russia.     I mentioned it repeatedly in the past.   I dealt extensively with the Uranium 1 sales of shares to a Russian company and how the approval was given by the Obama Administration.   Uranium 1 owned mining rights on 20% of the Uranium strategic reserve in the USA.   Shortly after that the share transfer was approved the Russian Company paid $142 million as a donation to the Clinton Foundation.   In that case Mueller appointed by the Obama Administration as Special Council found nothing at all about what happened - it was clearly a cover-up exercise - but it placed Hilary Clinton to in an e-mail to her Campaign Manager Podesta that she has "direct access to Putin's inner sanctum".   FACT.  In the same category was Podesta.    Documentation indicated that a Russian Company  with links to the Kremlin gave Podesta 75 000 shares in the company as a present.   He claimed on TV he passed the shareholding to his daughter's company registered in Vermont.   Aside from that the Russian Company who bought the Uranium shares invested $200 million in Podesta's  company in the USA.   So Russia is also corrupt when it comes to bribing USA politicians to help them in getting things to the advantage of Russia.   

Everybody remotely critical of the Zelenskyy Regime is classified as Pro Russian.   That is the type of BS that you lapped up and publish on site.                                                    

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Apr 2023, 16:12
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03 Apr 2023, 16:12#19

It's concerning that a church is banned and we some are thinking that it should be excusable under certain conditions

It's concerning that people think that a church should be exempt from the consequences of collaborating with the enemy. As if like it holds a higher place in society than other organizations.

same for some opposition parties...what's next

Do you have an issue with the fact the Nazi party was banned in Germany after World War 2?

...It reminds of the US concentration camps for ethnic Japanese during WW II...more than valid reasons for

What happened to the Japanese living in America during WW 2 was wrong. It was done out of fear which wasn't a valid reason.

Perhaps what Ukraine has done will turn out not to be justified in the long run or maybe the Ukrainian's will show the evidence and it will turn out to be justified. I don't know but again neither do you.

.the origin of the term which hunt springs to mind

Speaking of which, have you come up with any evidence to back up your claim Zelenskyy is corrupt?






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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Apr 2023, 21:05
#20
03 Apr 2023, 21:05#20

Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world...there's a reason for that...you don't rise to power in such a country without playing ball...he is the leader...I have no knowledge of him being personally involved in corruption, that's personal bias based on my personal BS detector...the whole fairytale is too much to swallow...I would feel the same if trillions were funneled to South Africa...

Too much smoke for there not to be fire...money and power...too much of both for my liking...good theater paid for with innocent lives of the poor and downtrodden...wile a few fat cats get even fatter...war is good for making money for some...

Like I said, I see this war in the same light as the Anglo Boer war...as a Afrikaner, looking back at the events  of 120 years ago...was it all worth it...all the lives lost? The misery while the war lasted? Would the leaders have made the same choices if they knew the price to be paid in advance? I honestly can't say that it was worth it. We can't know how things would have been if we didn't fight...even hindsight isn't 20/20...I just hope the Ukrainians don't end up 2 years from know, wishing they did more to stop the fighting sooner...I refuse to believe this war is the only option.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Apr 2023, 11:44
#21
04 Apr 2023, 11:44#21

Stav

The issue of arrest of members of Parliament was in the media and now suddenly the Ukraine Government claimed  that they do not know where some members are and that they fled to Russia.   Nice try - how did they get out of jail and fled to Russia.    I would lay money on the fact that the members "who fled to Russia" are dead by now.   If they did flee to Russia the story would have come out in the media especially since the  Russian media would use their stories about their treatment while in custody for propaganda purposes - nothing at all!!!   

Anybody against Zelenskyy is being made out to be a traitor - that is normal practice in a dictatorship.    How for instance did the church co-operate with Russia?     Zelenskyy claimed they did - but never produced any evidence.    The Party that Zelenskyy banned was according to you removed and their members are back in Parliament - who is their new leader and was he elected by the Party or was he appointed by Zelenskyy and his cronies.   

Too many allegations that came from the Zelenskyy crowd and published in the fake media as  factual by you.   Then you say you have no evidence supporting the allegations.   If that is the case the only thing you did was to spread Ukraine propaganda on site.   At least I saw some documents supporting what I wrote on site.       

I saw some documents confirming the Ukraine money going  to F TYX and also documentary evidence that FTX donated money to the DNC.     I saw the media reports in the Hungarian   media how the Hungary Police arrested the carrying of the $15 million into Hungary and that the women transporting the money was a close confidante of Zelenskyy.    Hope the Hungarian Government seize the $15 million until a constitutionally-based Government takes over in Ukraine.   

 The arrest of army staff - like the officer in charge of the fighting  Ukraine Army in  East Ukraine followed after he reported months ago that only 30% of the arms delivered by the USA reached the fighting army.   This was confirmed by evidence in the US Senate.    The solution was to appoint a US Army Colonel stationed in Ukraine to ensure arms delivered are forwarded to the army.   Remember that one - the Colonel never reached Ukraine.

Aside from the army commander no senior supporter of the Ukraine Regime was arrested - amongst the alleged corruption list  was the Ukraine Minister of Defense - but Zelenskyy refused to act against him and he went for the Army Commander instead. 

It seems that you are at this stage believing every story coming out of the Ukraine Government and the media supporting the war in Ukraine.     Your hero Zelensky got less than 50% of the vote in Round 1 of the election and  in Round 2 he got 69% of the vote.  His support base is not as popular as you made him out to be.

It is extremely dangerous to oppose the Zelenkyy Regime in Ukraine and that is a fact.     Mike Zelenskyy is the elected President of Ukraine. He has the support of the Ukrainian people and is internationally recognized.    So was every dictoator elected in the world the past 100 years.   It always was the same - as long as a dictator collaborated with the USA - he is part of the election BS.    What Happened to Saddam Hussein in Iraq.    He was armed by the USA to fight a proxy war against Iran.   He became anathema to them when he started threatening the US and UK oil companies in Iraq


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SebPro2,680 posts
04 Apr 2023, 14:30
#22
04 Apr 2023, 14:30#22

The Neo Liberal today is unbalanced neurotic personality full of destructive revengeful aggression and hatred. They cannot drive, direct, initiate and are emotional about virtually any issue that's mentioned without frothing at the mouth.

It's a disease, in fact a plague in society.

This is fact, not hearsay...the Covid vaccine and Ukraine issue triggers them off into mindless non-thinking zombies.

Zelensky's government has even a "Kill List"of Russian journalists/reporters and anybody that does not support them and exposes their lies in the West.

On this list is Roger Waters the musician, Eva Bartlett, the Canadian Independent reporter, Scott Ritter, Brian Berletic and Col Mac Gregor to mention a few. The 2 recent assassinations of Russian Journalists were targeted on that list.

https://youtu.be/m1Kp7IpzA5Y

Not mentioned in West

Western media continues to ignore Ukraine's public 'kill list' aimed at those who question the Kiev regime



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
05 Apr 2023, 10:15
#23
05 Apr 2023, 10:15#23

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Apr 2023, 11:20
#24
05 Apr 2023, 11:20#24

The issue of arrest of members of Parliament was in the media

Okay then you should once again be able to link to the media reports right?

I only know of the arrest of Viktor Medvedchuk leader of the main opposition party and ally of Putin. He was later handed over to Russia in a POW exchange.

Nice try - how did they get out of jail and fled to Russia.

Can you provide evidence they where jailed?

 I would lay money on the fact that the members "who fled to Russia" are dead by now.

Well considering you have been wrong on so many occasions in the past I'd think you would be losing money.

Anybody against Zelenskyy is being made out to be a traitor - that is normal practice in a dictatorship.

Spurious accusation. Considering you think there was election fraud in 2020 and think elections in Russia are free and fair, I think its safe to say you have no concept of what a dictatorship or democracy actually are.

How for instance did the church co-operate with Russia?     Zelenskyy claimed they did - but never produced any evidence.

During the raid on the UOC monastery in Kyiv, Ukrainian security services reported finding "dubious" Russian citizens (implying Russian agents), large sums of cash in various currencies and pro Russian literature.

Phone recordings of religious sermon's have been released in which the sermon givers have expressed pro Russian sentiments and support for Russian actions in Ukraine. 

he Party that Zelenskyy banned was according to you removed and their members are back in Parliament - who is their new leader and was he elected by the Party or was he appointed by Zelenskyy and his cronies

Oh for fuck sake Mike you can look this shit up in seconds.  Yuriy Boyko is the leader of the new party which is called Platform for Life and Peace. He was a founding member of the banned party. So no he's not appointed by Zelenskyy.

Too many allegations that came from the Zelenskyy crowd and published in the fake media as  factual by you.

The irony of this claim. You make the most dubious claims and can never provide sources for them.

Then you say you have no evidence supporting the allegations.   If that is the case the only thing you did was to spread Ukraine propaganda on site.

Says the man who just mindlessly parrots the Russian position on everything.

At least I saw some documents supporting what I wrote on site.      

I saw some documents confirming the Ukraine money going  to F TYX and also documentary evidence that FTX donated money to the DNC.   I saw the media reports in the Hungarian   media how the Hungary Police arrested the carrying of the $15 million into Hungary and that the women transporting the money was a close confidante of Zelenskyy.

Please provide links to sources that back up those claims.

 The arrest of army staff - like the officer in charge of the fighting  Ukraine Army in  East Ukraine followed after he reported months ago that only 30% of the arms delivered by the USA reached the fighting army.   This was confirmed by evidence in the US Senate.

This is utter bollocks. It wasn't a Ukrainian Army officer who made that claim, it was Jonas Ohman founder and CEO of Blue-Yellow an organization that was helping with getting aid to the Ukrainian's. The claim was made just a few months into the war and he later went on to the state the situation was much improved. He also said his claim has been used out of context to imply that corruption was the reason behind the equipment not reaching frontline troops which he said was false. It was not confirmed by evidence in the US Senate, that's just bullshit.

The solution was to appoint a US Army Colonel stationed in Ukraine to ensure arms delivered are forwarded to the army.   Remember that one - the Colonel never reached Ukraine.

His rank was Brigadier General and he did arrive in Ukraine in August. How can one person be so consistently wrong about everything.

Aside from the army commander no senior supporter of the Ukraine Regime was arrested - amongst the alleged corruption list  was the Ukraine Minister of Defense - but Zelenskyy refused to act against him and he went for the Army Commander instead.

I'm not sure about arrests but Zelenskyy has lead a major anti corruption crack down since the war began that's lead to several sackings, suspensions, sanctions, seizing of assets and property raids on several Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs, some of whom where backers or worked for Zelenskyy.

It seems that you are at this stage believing every story coming out of the Ukraine Government and the media supporting the war in Ukraine.

No Mike I'm just much better at discerning what reality is than you are.

  Your hero Zelensky got less than 50% of the vote in Round 1 of the election and  in Round 2 he got 69% of the vote.

So you agree he's democratically elected. Thanks.

His support base is not as popular as you made him out to be.

In case you hadn't notice, since he got elected a war broke out and he's lead Ukraine very effectively since it began. Hence a massive surge in support for him.

It is extremely dangerous to oppose the Zelenkyy Regime in Ukraine and that is a fact

You're such a Russian stooge.




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SebPro2,680 posts
05 Apr 2023, 12:26
#25
05 Apr 2023, 12:26#25

When all this deception, manipulation, atrocity propaganda and blatant lies  come crashing down and are revealed...the narrative propagated by the West to people who know very little or even zero, history or geography or physical presence and simply parrot what they trust because their hubris syndrome kicks it without reason....they will scurry like rats in a sinking ship.

A big wake call with much embarrassment...the self appointed know-alls who pose as authorities will try to ease their pain by denial.

Patience is a quality that is lacking here. Don't you worry, the chickens will come home to roost and plenty of egg will be available. The hubris personalities will squirm, splutter and still be in denial. The sad thing is that the majority of people fail to learn from their mistakes until it's too late.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
05 Apr 2023, 12:36
#26
05 Apr 2023, 12:36#26
SebKleb, lotsa words but you end up saying sweet fckall,  Cut down on the vodka.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Apr 2023, 12:51
#28
05 Apr 2023, 12:51#28

Stav, your patience with brainwashed half-wits like ou Maaik and Tit is really admirable.

I had my patience tested recently. It came back negative.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Apr 2023, 13:45
#29
05 Apr 2023, 13:45#29

"I had my patience  core strength tested recently. It came back negative."


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Apr 2023, 13:50
#30
05 Apr 2023, 13:50#30

Thanks for that ButtPlug. We'll be sure to let you know if we want you to post another selfie. Until then, put the phone and the selfie stick down. Thanks again.

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
05 Apr 2023, 14:13
#31
05 Apr 2023, 14:13#31
When Russia first invaded Ukraine, military experts from all over the world expected Ukraine to fall within weeks, if not days.

The US offered Zelensky a chance to leave Ukraine, but he refused.
Instead, he asked for weapons to stay and fight.

At that point in time, Zelensky would have thought that he was going to lose, and probably die.
He chose to stay and fight. 
This is courage that the Christian right just can't relate to. They don't have this within them, instead, they have to rely on some ancient artefact from the Irak area for moral guidance. 

For the civilised world, Zelensky is a hero - but not for the degenerates...
Whatever quarrel Russia has with the US or West, that is not an excuse to destroy Ukraine.
The Putin supporters just lack basic humanity. Their way is fading... Soon their ideology will be gone...

If you support Putin, their is something wrong with you.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Apr 2023, 14:28
#32
05 Apr 2023, 14:28#32

I think you're spot on Sharkbok.

Indoctrinated fundamentalists like Tit, Bendover and Baboon-ou see this as the Christian Putin vs the Jew Zelensky and that's pretty much all it is to them. Now all they do they run around the internet searching for opinions from equally stupid haters out there so they can tell us we're all in the minority here.

Good post!

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SebPro2,680 posts
05 Apr 2023, 21:36
#33
05 Apr 2023, 21:36#33

For those that admire Zelensky show their true inner beings.

A crude, vulgar man, completely lacking in refinement and taste and would appeal to low class mentality.

Another "Winston Churchill"...Bahahahahahahahaha.

A low class talentless comedian performing to similar minded audience.

I ask you, what type of people would select him as a leader. Wise up and start seeing reality.

https://youtu.be/oua0Puihrkc

No, stop spreading lies, you dishonest man. I'm certainly not anti-Semitic, in fact more than 3/4 of my class at SACs were Jewish when at Junior school. One of my best friends is a Jew from Israel. A Jewish surgeon saved my life and my late mother when she was ill with cancer, was devotedly taken care by her Jewish friends. As a Christ believer, I not only love my Lord and (Messiah) Saviour and his people, the true Jews.

Zelensky, is not a true Jew by faith, in fact he hates those of faith, whether they are Christians or Jews.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
05 Apr 2023, 22:39
#34
05 Apr 2023, 22:39#34

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
05 Apr 2023, 22:46
#35
05 Apr 2023, 22:46#35

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
05 Apr 2023, 23:13
#36
05 Apr 2023, 23:13#36

Polish president hails Ukraine's bravery:


Speaking alongside the visiting Volodymyr Zelenskyy as today's events draw to a close , President Andrzej Duda said: "We are all aware that Ukraine is bravely defending itself from Russian aggression. 


"Honestly, 400 days ago when Russia started their invasion of Ukraine, no one expected that they would be so brave.

"This is also because their president is so brave. 


"He stayed in his HQ and said that he would stay till the end to defend the country. 

"Thank you to everyone who is defending Ukraine."

He added: "We deeply believe in the victory of Ukraine. Ukraine is going to win!"

Poland has taken in millions of Ukrainians during the war - and been at the forefront of EU efforts to arm the defending country.

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