The UK has started what may become more common in the West- deporting illegal immigrants to another country, if their origin country is unknown or will not take them back.
Yes, on a humanitarian grounds it is wrong, but countries have legal borders. Like the US with Mexico, if all third world people from around the world move to the West - it will also become the third world.
I am not sure why Rwanda has agreed to this, other than perhaps money.
I am surprised at the UK deporting illegal migrants and equally surprised by your comments on the issue since according to your site history you are a committed admirer of open borders like the US-Mexican border. In the case of the USA it is the Democratic Party policy to let in foreigners and get them registered to vote in the November 2022 election through mail-in ballots without identification. So in the USA open borders is a real policy initiative of the extreme le ftist Democrat Party you support.
Can you provide examples where I support open borders of illegal Mexican refugees?
As the world population grows out of control, the humanitarian situation is worse than it has ever been. It is the third world countries creating the problem, not 1st world western democracies where child births have stabilized.
Just because I don't support you master Trump or Qanon, does not mean I do not respect conservatism (or at least sensible conservatives).
Not the ones like you, who live in a conspiracy reality where Fauci plans to create world war 3 working in Ukranian biolabs.
Ideology is subjective, You are so far right that you think your beliefs are facts. Self delusion
You know these loonies, it's all or nothing, if you disagree on one topic then you are a lefty that had to have an opposing view to everything they believe be it the usual insanities they believe and the more moderate views they hold ( in Mike's case there is no such thing)
The man is so warped his own head is up his arse. When you eyes are full of shit it's no wonder his brain is as well
Of course this scheme is the brainchild of Priti Patel. What a horrible and nasty human being.
The left needs to follow similar policies if they hope to get enough votes to win an election
Just NO!
"The left needs to follow similar policies if they hope to get enough votes to win an election"
So the left has to move a bit towards the right?...become less lefty?
If Biden was to go down hard on immigration and prevent Mexicans from entering illegally, he would win the next election.
I'd say Biden's chances of winning at the next election (if he runs) are far more tied to America's economic performance than immigration.
Public sentiment on the issue is that strong, and there needs to be a solution to protect borders. Look at what is happening in France right now. This is causing far-right candidates to make it to the top.Public sentiment is strong on the issue, but I'd far more prefer politicians regardless of what side of the political spectrum they are on to counter the lies about immigration and asylum seekers rather than pander to xenophobes.
Le Pen also made it the second round of the French Presidential election in 2017, so her presence here isn't exactly new. She won't win as the majority of French voters are still either centrist or left wing and those voters will choose Macron over her even if they have no love for him.
Many people on the left, right AND independents are concerned about the problem.
The left is losing independent voters to the right on the issue. (Look no further than France)
I've no doubt many people are concerned about the issue though its still predominately a concern of the right.
The centre, left and far left held 62.9% of the vote in the first round of the French Presidential election.
The Great Replacement theory created in France is that refugees from countries that have about 500% more kids than the West, will just become the majority over time.If the population grows faster than the economy, it becomes the 3rd worldStav, let's not mix data of legal immigrants with illegal ones. I cant see how illegal immigrants go on to make many contributions.
My understanding is that Ireland is more anti-foreigner than the UK (and not just illegal immigrants, but legal ones as well).
While that does not mean your own individual opinion is this, it is growing around the West.
Some are just anti-illegal, but some (the far right) have also become anti-legal foreigners.
Stav, let's not mix data of legal immigrants with illegal ones. I cant see how illegal immigrants go on to make many contributions.
Hang on a second, so you're suggesting that current illegal immigrant rate into the UK and France alone excluding legal immigration will lead to them become third world countries?
In the UK switch the term illegal immigrant to asylum seeker because that's what they mostly are. Many of those asylum seekers will have their asylum granted and go on to become legal migrants eventually. in addition Illegal migrants are not entitled to benefits but still quite often do pay some amount of taxes.
My understanding is that Ireland is more anti-foreigner than the UK (and not just illegal immigrants, but legal ones as well).
Where did you get that understanding from?...as far as I can recall Ireland didn't tell the rest of the EU to fuck off you're not welcome here by voting for Brexit in 2016.
While that does not mean your own individual opinion is this, it is growing around the West.
Some are just anti-illegal, but some (the far right) have also become anti-legal foreigners.
It might be growing due to the lies of populist xenophobes but that doesn't mean we should accommodate the lies.
With regards to immigration, I think it should be a 2-way process of give and take.
For example, if UK people go live in India in decent numbers (which is the case), then the same amount of people from India should be allowed in the UK. Or swap India with Canada, US, Europe, etc.
Not many people from the West go live in North Korea, so we cant expect to take people in from Korea.
Numbers seem to be at records highs. At 1000 per day, that is 365,000 per year. (or 3.6 million in 10 years).
While these people are victims in their own countries, that does not mean they are necessary all good people- either morally or skills-wise. Many will have lots of kids, much higher than Westerners which is an issue with poorer and less educated people.
Number of migrants crossing Channel to UK tops 1,000 in new daily recordhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59257107
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Ireland's bread and butter is collecting EU tax via local call centers that book revenue in Ireland instead of the country of sale. I can't see Ireland blocking EU legal workers that were interviewed in their home countries before moving to Ireland to take the job. The language and cultural skills imported from each country is essential.
If the global tax reform passes, and Ireland still do this, the EU will have no other option but to terminate Ireland's membership
With regards to immigration, I think it should be a 2-way process of give and take.
For example, if UK people go live in India in decent numbers (which is the case), then the same amount of people from India should be allowed in the UK. Or swap India with Canada, US, Europe, etc.
Good luck tanking the UK economy with such a policy, would be one hell of a labour shortage.
Not many people from the West go live in North Korea, so we cant expect to take people in from Korea.
One would thinking people fleeing North Korea might have a pretty genuine case to claim asylum?
Numbers seem to be at records highs. At 1000 per day, that is 365,000 per year. (or 3.6 million in 10 years).
Seriously this is the dishonest shit I was talking about. The article you linked gives you the actual numbers for 2019, 2020 and the first half of 2021 a total of 80,000 over two and half years. If you where to apply that rate So that's around 320,000 over 10 years. So you're off by a factor of 11.
While these people are victims in their own countries, that does not mean they are necessary all good people- either morally or skills.
Ahh they lack morals, they should fit right into the UK as you deemed its immigration plan as immoral!
As for lack of skills, sure no problem, wasn't Priti Patel one of the five tory party members who contributed to the book Britannia Unchained which called British workers "among the worst idlers in the world"
According to a Lefty "For Biden to win the next election......"
Well Sharktwat as long as Biden has a hole in the his rear he won't win SHIT.
He is a fumbling, dilly old twat and the biggest liar to ever become President plus the most corrupt.
He is a disgrace to the USA and the Western world.
It simple terms he is a Fucken Twat.
Is he related to you perhaps?
SB
Lets get back to reality for a change. The Open Mexican border does not imply that illegal entrance comes from Mexico, In fact they came from 110 countries from all over the world. That is not a conspiracy theory - it is a fact. The Open Border policy of Biden is in fact Democratic Party policy - that is why Biden can do nothing about stopping it and he can only make it worse.
Why does the Democratic Party want millions of illegals in the country? They do and the reason is simple - they regard them as potential future election fodder. That is not a conspiracy theory either - it is a fact. That is why the Biden Administration is pushing simultaneously legislation to allow for people to register as voters without providing identification - to vote without identification - to allow for vote harvesting after election day for 14 days. The latter is for the Democratic Party agents to "collect votes" from voters who did not vote in the election whether they are dead or alive. That is why the appropriate name for the Legislation is in fact the Legalization of Election Fraud Bill. So far they got it through the House - but unable to get it through the Senate.
As to open borders - Trump closed the border effectively while he was President - it did not start under him - because Obama effectively also had open border policies and millions streamed into the USA when he was President.
I am amazed at your stupidity - I cannot support Qanon - it is a small fringe group with no real followers like the KKK. These people are not allowed to be members of the Republican Party - but the BLM and Antifa are the terrorist subsidiaries of the Democratic Party - which they used in 2020 with terrible consequences when the Democrats organized and funded the protests which turned into riots. They are indeed part of he Democratic Party
As to Stav - he is ruled by his arsehole - a wise one on rugby issues and an utter imbecile in politics. He does not realize that 80% of the illegals are not really asylum seekers - they are economic migrants pretending to be asylum seekers. .
Mary Quite Contrary, you should read more than the headlines of your links. This is what the study says:
The study finds that
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So migrants from Europe contribute more than the average UK citizen. But non European migrants contributed less than average. And my guess is both numbers are raised by small numbers of Russian wealthy and oil wealthy immigrants, seeking a safe place for their money.
But despite contributing less non European migrants aren’t as big a drain on public coffers. Perhaps because they don’t work the welfare state as well….or perhaps because they return home before the costs of old age kick in.
The uneducated, political asylum seeker masses that stay are likely a huge drain on public coffers,
Which raises the question …why should a successful people be forced to change the nature of their society by accepting foreign newcomers beyond genuine compassionate immigration?
Plum you are correct.
In fact the Muslim population will be in position to elect a Muslim Government into power within a few years.
Areas of the city are under Muslim control and laws.
Paris is in a similar situation and in fact some parts of Paris remind me of Cairo.
Once the doors are opened to allow in other ethnic groups it is only a matter of time before the flood gates are opened and the mass influx of family from these countries takes place.
Remember slaves in America numbered a few hundred at most and check the situation now.
Bringing in refugees is a noble gesture, but it has not worked well for many reasons.
Too many of them will not work, and poor people usually have lots of kids that will live on social welfare.
There are also cultural problems such as religion. The Muslim faith is too extreme for the West which is more moderate.
Plum
I went to Paris in 2000 and booked what I thought was cheap accommodation. problem is when I took a taxi to the hotel - the driver dropped me off two blocks from the hotel because according to him it was too dangerous for him to enter the hotel area. I had to walk to the hotel and found it. Stayed here - but it was in fact an eye-opener and I tried to avoid it in future.
So my next visit was in 2007 for the Rugby World Cup and that time around I thought I would rather stay near the Gare D'Nord - where I stayed in 1973 when visiting Paris. There were some rather unpleasant situations in Paris. After having dinner at the Eiffel Tower (Level 92) and waiting for the bus to take us to the next destination somebody tried to cut the shoulder bag strap to steal it. I was chatting to an Australian couple and the man saw it and the thief was hit and ran away. Was very upset because inside the bag were gold presents for my nephew and his family worth at least R25 000. I left Paris and travelled all over Europe during weekdays - only returning to the city for matches played there and ultimately the day before my return to SA. On the underground from Gare D'Lyon to Gare D'Nord a French Gentleman told me I was unwise to have my suitcase with me because it would be stolen. On return to SA I told the French head of Siza Water where I stayed in Paris and he said I must be mad to stay where I did. The Gare D'Nord area was taken over by the Muslims and there are regular gun battles between the police and gangsters in the area. Must be - the Police I did see at the station was carrying sub-machine guns.
If Brussels is any more dangerous than Paris - then it must really be a very dangerous and very unpleasant place to stay in. By the way Amsterdam is not much better anyway. .
SB
By the way Ryan Air is a shit airline that cost me dearly. I was in Venice and supposed to travel back that evening to London and the flight never took off. The passengers were already at the airport and most had to lie on the floor to sleep. We were only getting to London late the following day. That resulted in me missing a booked flight to Nice that day. I lost the money paid in advance for the booked flight to Nice and had to pay for another flight the next morning to Marseilles. From there I took the train to Montpellier.- Marseilles was a place to get away from asap also.
I do not think migrants from Europe is a problem - it is the migrants from the ME and Africa that is the problem - they normally do not have employment and the result is they form gangs involved in criminality. The gangs are involved in crimes - but also terrorism. It happened in London in July 2005 with the underground and bus attacks already. The subsequent terrorist attacks in .Paris originated in Brussels and their were bomb attacks in Brussels in 2016 from what is nothing more than criminal gangs operated on the instruction of what was then ISIS.
Like in Europe it seems to me wise to avoid areas in cities in the USA at best regarded as gangster controlled areas as well. Extremely dangerous since gangsters are protected by the local administration and law-abiding citizens are endangered - the defunding of Police in those cities are in full force. The murder rate in USA has risen by more than 50% in cities all over the USA since 2020.
Ryan Air is absolute shit. I much prefer EasyJet.
Easyjet is far more transparent, and its goal is not to trick people and rip them off.
To compare the crime in the EU with say a third world country is laughable.
I was in the Canary Islands recently, and it might be the safest place I have ever been to.
However, the London riots, and similar activities in Europe have been driven by Muslims and black people. Basically third world people making a mess of the 1st world, or the West.