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SA politics needs a firmer mix of right wing challenges

Started by Seb12 REPLIES611 VIEWS· 29 Oct 2021, 13:03
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SebPro2,680 posts
29 Oct 2021, 13:03
#1
29 Oct 2021, 13:03#1

The concept of conservatism isn’t particularly prevalent in South Africa, and it’s easy to understand why: there isn’t much to conserve. There’s no era of our history which could be called especially “good”, and we’ve yet to experience any span of political and economic cohesion. What is there to hold on to? 

Right-wing politics cannot be detached from the idea that social changes should be prevented from taking place too quickly. In our terms, there’s no room for slowing down. The problems plaguing our country are too grave in nature to require a modest approach. Our reforms must be radical and swift. 

Still, the constant ramblings of left-wing politicians and name-brand, copy-paste socialist parties has become trite. Your options for voting come down to the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), which is some weird form of totalitarian socialism, the Democratic Alliance’s (DA) champagne socialism, or the ANC, who stick to the stereotype of socialist governments by doing nothing but inflating their own pockets and redistributing almost nothing to the poor.

You’d be hard-pressed to convince me that the EFF or DA would be any different, mind you; the red-beret-wearing Army of the Poor have already having been indicted in their own share of corruption allegations, while John Steenhuisen is faced with the gruelling task of trying to hold his party together as its identity falls apart. 

Not everyone wants handouts. The media spins its wheels recycling the mud of the latest racist scandal and “impending” land expropriations and reasons to be mad at Julius Malema, when in actual fact and by survey the biggest worries for South Africans are employment, security and housing. 

It’s understandable: the average South African wants to be able to do an honest day’s work for a good wage. It isn’t an unreasonable expectation. Yet our political parties are more interested in trying to salvage their bankrupt branches and disincentivising foreign investment and private sectors with their lazy rhetoric. 

The left-right political compass is essentially a flawed system, but that doesn’t mean there’s no place for alignment to the simplicities of what we need to address: jobs, wages, economy. A stable economy and access to decent jobs means less crime, it means a growing middle class, and that means incentive for investors to offer bigger and more exciting opportunities to average South African citizens. 

This isn’t a call to dissolve South Africa’s social benefits, but isn’t it time we made space for a call to something else? Social programmes rarely work, and while it would be unwise to leave the down and out out and down, a reliance on state handouts is not the pinnacle of society. 

Unfortunately, there isn’t enough money in the country to lift every South African out of poverty, and if there was, you’d probably find it in the back pockets of a small handful. That’s why we’d be wise to stop asking for the government to take care of people, and rather ask them to incentivise economic growth, better wages, end their stifling restrictions on private sectors such as mining and (gasp!) airlines and let foreign investment offer jobs to South Africans.

Although he hasn’t accepted labelling for his ideologies, Herman Mashaba’s new Action SA Party is at least calling for the right things: rather than promising to fix everything with an endless pit of tax money, he suggests we fix our broken education system, incentivise investment, bring in jobs, and stimulate the economy so that better wages can be offered. 

I took the time to argue with someone who called him a populist in an insulting tone. I find it funny that giving people what they want is considered unpopular in a democracy. 

Call it right-wing if you want, but the terms are so muddied in our age of politics that it’d probably be a misnomer. Still, we’ve tried leftism for long enough: isn’t it time we embraced something else? 

The current voices for a free market economy in this country have a hard road ahead of them. It isn’t an idea that has circulated in the country for very long. Yet, if we are to turn our economy around, it’s vital that we make it a popular one.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2021, 15:37
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29 Oct 2021, 15:37#2

Liberal policies only work in very homogeneous societies like Sweden and Denmark. Societies where sharing common goods isn’t controversial because everybody  contributes to those common goods.

In most societies increasing government handouts simply results in those getting the handouts withdrawing from the workforce…..case in point the struggle to get people in the USA on Covid payouts to go back to work.

It’s human nature.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2021, 18:59
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29 Oct 2021, 18:59#3

The problem with socialist handouts is that  Government cannot pay enough in handouts to lift people out of poverty - it just makes it possible to survive  not to grow in their positions.    

By the way the Nordic countries  do not regard themselves as socialist societies - they regard themselves as having a capitalist economy.     Handouts is not really the norm there - they proidde social services  like most of the so-called capitalist countries do anyway.     

But  the services are not entirely free - in some categories taxation is 50% of declared income and recently the Governments were forced to curtail some of the services rendered - it became totally unaffordable even with a tax system allowing for such services to be affordable.           

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
29 Oct 2021, 20:19
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29 Oct 2021, 20:19#4

Centrists should be running the country not the right or left. The middle class should be the government. 
Countries that have a majority middle class, and with a population growth that has stabilized, can have some socialism for the poor- if it is a small portion of the population that can't abuse public services (e.g. reduced rates, or less tax, etc).
And they can offer discounted education for everyone- and get a return on investment from this.

Sensible spending, not throwing away money like paying people that don't work to have more kids. 

Countries like Africa with rapidly growing populations and the majority in poverty just don't have the tax money to offer basic public services. They need to slow down population growth and increase GDP so they can build a middle class before they are going to go forward. 

A majority middle class is more able to appoint better politicians regardless of ideology. If poor/dumb people are the majority - left or right - it is not going to go well. 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
29 Oct 2021, 22:12
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29 Oct 2021, 22:12#5

Australia had a system that was open to abuse and abused it was, that's all changed, we now have a strong middle class and very little or any abuse of social services. The days of lazing around on the beach and having a dole check mailed is long gone. People want to work. Socialism is a thing of the past whilst government has improved efficiencies across all services. The economy is healthy and so is business.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2021, 08:37
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30 Oct 2021, 08:37#6

The middle class is obviously a provider of stability in politics.   That is why the Biden Administration and the Democrats try to destroy the middle class.   In some States like Californioa and New York tens of thousands of people are leaving the States because they find in the socialist environment impossible to afford and they close their businesses and leave.    The situation in particular California is dire - what is left in that State is the rich and the poor.    With hundreds of thousands living on sidewalks and public open space in tents and further destroying local business by theft  since people who steal less than $950 is no longer charged criminally,  they force business closures fast and that deprive departure  of whatsoever is left of the so0-called middle class.    

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
30 Oct 2021, 11:36
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30 Oct 2021, 11:36#7
Apparently, Biden wants to pay illegal immigrants from Mexico 1/2 Million dollars each if they were separated from their kids at the border when being arrested. 

If he wants to lose reelection, this will guarantee it.
It is totally stupid -as this is more money than the average American earns in 10 years. 

Any illegal immigrants should be put on a truck and returned to Mexico. They will get tired of being carted back to Mexico and eventually give up.  A proper wall is needed that could block them. 
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AJHPro3,183 posts
30 Oct 2021, 16:16
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30 Oct 2021, 16:16#8

The ANC is destroying the country and allowing corruption and crime to flourish.

As long as the voters vote along color, religion and hand outs nothing is going to change.

The ANC draws more votes than all the other parties combined (?) and it will remain that way until a leader emerges from the ashes with policies that build the country and unite the people.

A person on middle ground like the late Dr. Van Zyl-Slabbert or is it to late to save.

Hopefully not.

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SebPro2,680 posts
30 Oct 2021, 17:42
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30 Oct 2021, 17:42#9

The late Frederick Van Zyl-Slabbert (Rondebosch) was a good leader Arthur...I think the Progressive Party had perhaps the best solution for this country...qualified franchise. At the time I thought they were too liberal for my liking but in hindsight they would have been a reasonable compromise. Incidentally he played rugby for WP or so I was told, don't remember when.

The solution to vote must be earned and understood, not a birthright...I remember in Namibia (SWA) primitive people from the bush and desert were voting with a X which they even struggled to write... illiterate and did not have the slightest clue how to read or write and our enemy SWAPO, just manipulated that...hence their victory in being elected . How can people vote when they don't even understand what's going on.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2021, 17:47
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30 Oct 2021, 17:47#10

Utter balls….a qualified franchise would just have been seen as another form of racial discrimination. Mandela wouldn’t leave jail until he got exactly what he wanted, he would never have accepted a qualified franchise. Nor would the world.

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SebPro2,680 posts
30 Oct 2021, 18:30
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30 Oct 2021, 18:30#11

Sure in that context you are correct and maybe it is too idealistic. But a balanced solution and compromise might have worked if applied long ago.

However, Progressive Party was fiercely against racial discrimination and should have been introduced long ago and not at the eleventh hour and cushioned the extremes...instead of the harsh cruelties of apartheid...the opportunities would apply apply to all races...it was a progression solution which lead to the emphasis of education opportunities of all and many other levelling benefits, irrespective of colour creed or race.  There is no perfect solution for Africa...look at the disaster we have now. 

SA second last elections:


Stillborn free

Like a corpse tethered by battery chargers to a failing coal plant, South Africans lurch toward the 2021 municipal elections powered by nothing more than impulse. Democracy, if that is indeed a real word, has been hollowed out by over a decade of state-sponsored mega violence, self-imposed austerity, weapons-grade incompetence, craven corruption and Carl Niehaus.

The country’s political elites, led in fact and spirit by a supernaturally blithe Cyril Ramaphosa, assume that all they need to do is improve—enhance their performance, deliver on a small portion of their responsibilities, “eliminate corruption”. What they fail to realize is that, as a class, they will soon join the zombie hordes grovelling for the scraps flung at their feet by Julius Malema.

That said, while these are the second-last elections, we will almost certainly enact election cycle pageantry during whatever version of illiberalism South Africa innovates in the next decade or so. It’s just that the elections of the future won’t matter at all—they’ll be show trials for lousy ideas crafted by an increasingly inept array of second-rate autocrats.

This is, of course, not a polite observation in a country where thousands died for the right to vote. But context is important, and in this case, the context is not kind.

After all, these elections take place in the shadow of a gangster insurrection that tore apart two provinces over the course of July. The drama was ostensibly sparked by the jailing of former president Jacob Zuma for contempt of court—happily, he is now enjoying “medical parole” due to what appears to be a nudge-nudge wink-wink arrangement between the former National Commissioner of Correctional Services, Arthur Fraser, and President Ramaphosa.

They take place following the assassination of whistleblower Babita Deokaran, who appears to have been murdered for her role in exposing Covid-19 tender corruption in Gauteng. The looting, South Africa’s version of a 4IR initiative, has likely leached at least R15-billion from the fiscus. Meanwhile, one of Deokaran’s suspected murderers sits in jail drawing a salary from the KZN provincial government. This, if you were wondering, is the essence of a gangster state—taxpaying citizens keep their own assassins on retainer.

These elections take place in the uncanny valley between third and fourth Covid waves, in an economy smashed by the interminable lockdowns that have visited brutality on poorer South Africans without any commensurately humane social assistance. (We’ll leave the pathetic R350 grant unmentioned.)

They take place in the dark, as the power grid fails around us, while almost every single state-owned enterprise makes the likes of Facebook look like a well-run, benevolent orphanage.

They take place as the governing ANC explodes into a bloody mist before our eyes, with the slowest-acting president in the party’s history flailing away at some cases of corruption while energetically scrunching up his eyes so he can’t see how the employees in his own office are stealing pencils and siphoning the fuel out of his VIP BMW retinue.

More importantly, they take place in a denuded political marketplace, where the Democratic Alliance is reduced to aping the American culture wars; the Economic Freedom Fighters are nothing more than a racketeering outfit masquerading as a political party; and Herman Mashaba can’t fill out a form on time, although he can spew xenophobic rhetoric like the Trump-lite he aspires to be. (His party, the conservative ActionSA, are looking to be a smash hit in these elections.)

Trust in the elite ruling class has evaporated—vaccination hesitancy is just the latest indication that even super-tame middle- and upper-class South Africans are no longer so compliant, even when compliancy serves their own interests. Academic and political discourse mimics the American left/right dialectic, except without the urgency or ten-dollar-a-word opinion pieces. Public life is littered with men and women so stupid, and so mendacious, that the mean national IQ has dropped below zero: Iqbal Surve; Gwede Mantashe; Fikile Mbalula; Dali Mpofu; the ingrate Zuma twins; Helen Zille, and this is to name only a few, all of whom are trailed by decrepit ass-creeping troll armies who create their own imbecile vortex, debasing anything that remains of the exuberant discourse that followed the democratic transition some decades ago.

South Africa is an idiocracy in both theory and praxis: the substance of our politics is now reduced down to a screaming match between white and African supremacists, each accusing the other of being the “real racist”. Meanwhile, the race-baiting continues in order to cast about for tiny margins—for instance the DA’s “you’re the real heroes” poster campaign in KZN; or the Patriotic Alliance’s coloured grievance politicking in Gauteng and the Western Cape.

As intellectual capacity evaporates, so too does the rule of law. The political class as a whole now endorses “paramilitary populism”, to borrow a recently-employed phrase from the political analyst Benjamin Fogel. All hail the brave gun-toting heroes protecting their neighbourhoods during what are sure to become frequent insurrectionary outbursts. 

(Think of these episodes as “rule shedding”.) 

This Rambo guff is hardly surprising in a country in which the police are simultaneously brutal, incompetent and viciously corrupt. 


But paramilitary populism can only descend into ethnic or racial warfare, largely because there are so few mixed neighbourhoods in South Africa. (The Group Areas Act lives on, except it’s now more efficiently administered by the banks and private development companies.) And so Death Wish porn is exalted by everyone from Ramaphosa—who valourised such behaviour in a speech following the insurrection—to his counterparts in many opposition parties, all of whom are happy to sop up all the ethno/racial gravy for a few votes here and there.

Town & Country

Can this tide be stemmed?

That’s an interesting question.

These second-last elections are, of course, local and not national elections. South Africa’s 256 municipalities and eight metros are—and I mean this literally—the greatest fuck up in the entire history of humankind

There have been functioning cities in Africa for millennia. Not here there aren’t. Our metros and towns are the focal point of petty rent-seeking, where either the rot begins or the rot ends, it’s not ontologically clear which. Entire swathes of this country are without meaningful infrastructure—there are municipalities that will require ground-up rebuilding to arrive at the 21st century from the Middle Ages. The “best governed metro in South Africa”, Cape Town, is nonetheless perfectly representative of democracy’s failures, if in a different tenor: through a combination of national, provincial and municipal cruelty and violence, the town is paradise for a minority of its inhabitants, and hell for those on the other side of the mountain—apartheid rebooted for a new era.

Johannesburg, Tshwane and Nelson Mandela Bay, the country’s remaining big metros, were in 2016 subjected to coalition governments—astonishingly, this resulted in more dysfunction than the ANC could have generated on its own. The onset of this “coalition era”, followed 18 months later by the ousting of Zuma, brought profound changes to the major opposition parties. 

The EFF, kingmakers in Johannesburg and Tshwane, exchanged their support for big-money tenders, becoming a hungrier and meaner version of the ANC’s RET faction, with which they are aligned in theft and spirit. The DA, divided between white and black caucuses, imploded on itself around questions of racial inclusion and affirmative action, while bungling coalitions in NMB, Johannesburg and Tshwane due to arrogance, inexperience and magical thinking. The IFP, UDP and other smaller parties swirled around at the fringes, doing what they could to benefit from the horse-trading.

The stakes are high, especially in ANC-led municipalities. Assassination follows assassination, and we’re supposed to pretend it’s normal that people kill each other for minor political posts in small communities that have no national news reach. If a counsellor falls in a township, does anyone hear? Answer: Nope. According to the Global Initiative Against Transnational Organised Crime (GI-TOC), more than 1800 people have died in execution-style murders between 2000 and 2020, of which 404 were political hits. There are few, if any consequences. If this doesn’t articulate the crisis within municipal governance, than nothing will—shitty jobs are worth killing for, because they’re rungs on the patronage ladder, and there is literally no ceiling on how high you can climb should you prove ruthless enough.

And the worst part? In a country in which nearly half of the adult population has no possibility of employment, it makes total sense to battle to the death over political positions.

What else is there?

Father, who art in Tuynhuys

When democracy delivers little more than a rehashed version of tyranny, then the future holds actual tyranny. South Africa’s current trajectory is as obvious as it is unpleasant: The national elections in 2023—AKA the Last Elections—will be the final episode in which a so-called moderate like Ramaphosa is likely to be at the top of the ANC ticket. After him come the mafia monsters, their RET henchfolk, and the “coalition” partners who will help them form a majority. Their intention will be to speed up the dissembling of our constitutional democracy. And it will be easy work.

And breaking shit is fun—just ask South Africa’s favourite medical parolee.

This may all sound alarmist, but recovering attempted-coup victims don’t have the luxury of happy dreams. Democracy’s failures are systemic and disastrous—poverty; racism; violence; incompetence. South Africa’s white and African supremacist cultures have led to a fetishization of the Big Man, the most obvious example of which is the only person that both camps adore: Nelson Mandela, Tata. Father.

But we need another situation, not another parent.

So how do we reach the empyrean heights of mildly efficient government? In the short term, and ironically given the potential for ethno-racial pot-stirring, it does mean embracing coalition governments. In the chaos of fragmentation lies the voice of the people, and a turning away of large political brands for smaller, more fragile parties that depend on voters rather than patronage networks for survival.

As Joel Netshetenzhe noted in a recent study on coalition government, we need to ask whether, firstly:

“there should be post-election workable coalition agreements that are lodged with, and assessed (but not vetoed) by, a competent authority. [Secondly] whether, at local level, the option of a proportional collective executive system—as distinct from an executive mayoralty—should become mandatory when a single party or coalition of parties is unable to attain an absolute majority. Thirdly, strict observance of the laws on the appointment of bureaucrats and on the role of politicians in administrative decisions, including procurement, is even more crucial under coalition government.”

That’s a start, but it won’t be enough. After all, you can’t legislate assholes into oblivion. Crooks don’t care about the law. We need to instill fear into our political representatives—the fear of getting kicked to the curb, certainly, but also the fear of mass civil action—the healthy terror of an engaged polity that doesn’t wait for elections to take democratic action. Simply, South Africans need to wrest politics from the exclusive control of politicians, nurturing a culture of self-guided localized governance that doesn’t include a vapid and insistent slavishness to a brand.

Should we fail to make our voices heard, then the inconvenience and expense of elections will, like so many things, become nothing more than a fashion show for authoritarian gangsters. South Africans are running out of time to save democracy. Consider the second last elections a warm-up for the real fight. DM

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2021, 20:08
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30 Oct 2021, 20:08#12

SB

Don't you know the real objective  with the migrants flooding the USA - some 1 700 000 is to bring in people that would illegally vote for Democrats  in key battleground states.    They would not be US citizens but  would be registered as voters without any identification whatsoever and will then vote for the Democrats illegally - also without any identification required.

Government funding of illegals running into billions of dollars - they get transported to designated states and their hotel accommodation is paid for by the US Government.

The payment of  $4r50 000  is part ad parcel of the Project to bribe the criminals to vote for Democratic Party criminals.           .  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Oct 2021, 16:05
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31 Oct 2021, 16:05#13

No …. a qualified franchise would never have survived, even if it was started after the Boer war. They tried that with women and got the Suffragettes.

The only solution that had a prayer of maintaining some safeguards was early splitting of the Union. But for that to work big cities like PE would have to have been ceded. That combined with opening our doors to Europe after WW2 might have produced a better result.

But at the end of the day numbers always win in any society that isn’t totally authoritarian .


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