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Some interesting military nuances in the Ukraine

Started by Mozart10 REPLIES1,406 VIEWS· 06 Mar 2022, 23:02
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Mar 2022, 23:02
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06 Mar 2022, 23:02#1

No doubt Russia hasn’t deployed it’s full force so far. But they must have thought they were deploying enough force to get the job done without embarrassment. So far that appears to have been a miscalculation, the Ukrainians with a modest amount of modern weaponry have been surprisingly effective.


A tank column in open ground is no longer invulnerable, even though they are still a potent weapon in cities. But getting there looks quite tricky. Certainly the notion that Russian tank columns could storm through Europe has been discredited. If NATO spends in proportion to it’s GNP there is no reason the Russians can’t be stopped by conventional weapons.


This is an important discovery which hasn’t been much discussed, but should make negotiations easier.


Likewise helicopters are being shot down in the combat zone…defensive weaponry seems to be confounding traditional tactics


There has been so little conflict between first world military powers since WW2 that the effect of new weaponry is not settled. The Falklands provided similar lessons showing the vulnerability of the fleet to Exocet missiles. But the US still sails carriers into trouble spots as if nothing can touch them.


If the Ukraine shows a determined country can defend their territory quite effectively with relatively accessible weaponry perhaps it isn’t the worst finding.

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SebPro2,680 posts
07 Mar 2022, 07:37
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07 Mar 2022, 07:37#2

The trouble is misinformation is being spread through media on developements and progress of the war...the banning of RT News on main platforms was intended to fool the west.

If you care to get RT News, which is possible through various links you can clearly see who is winning hands down. Ukraine soldiers and terrorists are retreating and massive arsenals of all kinds of weapons,ammunitions and tanks have been abandoned...uniforms are strued around the base in the fleeing soldiers and changing of clothes into civilian attire. Not only that, documents and evidence in the use of chemical and radiological methods, has been left behind in haste to flee and documents pertaining to this, has shown instructions on how to destroy these, in collusion with US government...this evidence has apparently been sent to Washington yesterday, but no answer has come. If this is indeed provable, how embarrassing and this war crime, at it's worst.

What you can bet on however is none of this will be disclosed in western media and massive cover ups will result. Disbelief is the expected response but we are being hood-winked.

On RT News these documents have been disclosed. Lets wait and see the next snaky move.

I certainly don't expect belief in the west, they will say it's a hoax but sometimes it's wise to go underground. In the depths you will find the truth, otherwise you remain in the shallows.

But what is encouraging is that physical evidence has been secured and incriminating written documents with instructions on destruction methods kept.

In all fairness the world must see this, the shoe is now on the other foot.

Hidden evil can take a long time to be revealed but in time it always comes out in the end. Biden and his connections is a very evil man and will fall in disgrace that you can be certain of.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Mar 2022, 09:24
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07 Mar 2022, 09:24#3

Reading between the lines the main thrust of the attack is in areas with ethnic Russian majority inhabitants in the area included in the Ukraine in 1953 by the Communists.   Even looking at the maps provided  by the media there are maps indicating guessed advancement routs and since these are not followed the idea is that the effect is different from what they guess it is stated that the troops stopped their advances because of Ukraine defensive capacity,   

I still think the Russian Government has decided that the ethnic Russians  living in the said areas are  in danger and needs protection.   Most of the refugees getting out are in fact Russian speaking women and children - which will end up in Russia.  That is why the truces although agreed on was broken.    I think that attacks by Russia will effectively be concentrated in Southern and Eastern Ukraine and places like Mariupol - which  before 1953 was never part of Ukraine with majority Russian ethnic populations are still being attacked.                

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Mar 2022, 22:58
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07 Mar 2022, 22:58#4

The Russian ruble has gone from a high of 70 to the US dollar to a current 140. And if the Germans restart their nuclear plants it’s going to go even lower. This decision by Putin is a disaster for his country and the world.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
07 Mar 2022, 23:15
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07 Mar 2022, 23:15#5

Russia's tactics are so 20th century... Without his nukes he is nothing.
He is just lucky that he has nukes, otherwise NATO would already have taken the Russia attack out.

The train of tanks could be turned into flames with a 21st century flight squadron. 
Ukraine is holding them because of the Wests war technology. They just don't have the training to use it all.

DumbMike, Beeno, and the Russian Bot manbride should sign up to fight on Russias' side. I see people have gone to Ukraine from all around the world as volunteers- but not on an official capacity. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Mar 2022, 23:39
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07 Mar 2022, 23:39#6
It looks like Putin genuinely thought the people of Ukraine would welcome him and was Plan A was simply too send some fast moving units racing towards Kyiv and other major Ukrainian cities and the Ukraine government would either be killed, surrender or flee and eh Presto a puppet government could be installed. The west would impose sanctions but sanctions that Russia could weather but ultimately wouldn't be able to help the Ukrainians in any significant way on the ground because it would all be over so quickly.
When that failed and he realised the Ukraine army was going to stand and fight and be supported by the vast majority of the population, his only alternative was to fall back to tried and testing tactics of bombarding cities into rubble with artillery, cruise missiles and air strikes as house to house street fighting would have been far too costly in terms of Russian lives.
It may work in the end but I don't see him being able to hold Ukraine not with the current forces at his disposable. He's backed himself into a no win situation. The Ukrainian's and most of the rest of the world will never accept any puppet ruler Putin installs and sanctions will remain in place until every last Russian solider leaves Ukrainian soil. If he decides to occupy the country with his army's he's going face a long protracted insurgency that the west will just keep pumping arms and supplies too and eventually the Russians will have to leave with their tails between their legs.
I think the West should still leave Putin and out. Some sort of face saving exit that he can sell back home as a victory, as he feels his and his regimes existence is being threatened he might be inclined to escalate further.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2022, 08:24
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08 Mar 2022, 08:24#7
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Do you know anything about the situation in Ukraine other than CNN and USA propaganda?    My guess is zero.   Do you think it fair for Ukraine army units like the Azova Brigade to attack Russian speakers in Ukraine?    The said Brigade is made up of a number of nationalities and is strictly a Nazi -based organization used by the Ukraine Government to get at people based on the fact that they are Russian speaking?   Do you think it is right for the Ukraine Government to arrest and hold without trial opposition members in the Ukraine Parliament because they oppose the Ukraine Government - this happened in the weeks before the actual invasion took place and indicates Russian speaking inhabitants are under threat in the Ukraine.
Now read the following too:-
"Ukraine rejects a Kremlin offer to open escape routes for civilians trapped by the fighting in the cities of Kharkiv, Kyiv, Mariupol and Sumy because several of the routes lead to Russia or its ally Belarus."
The above is BS.   The people who want to flee can go to Poland and other EU member countries.   The objection of Ukraine is that the areas under attack basically are Russian speaking  areas of Ukraine where the majority of the people would not go to the West - but to Russia.   Is ethnic Russians barred from  being evacuated?

          
    
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2022, 08:24
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08 Mar 2022, 08:24#8
SB
Do you know anything about the situation in Ukraine other than CNN and USA propaganda?    My guess is zero.   Do you think it fair for Ukraine army units like the Azova Brigade to attack Russian speakers in Ukraine?    The said Brigade is made up of a number of nationalities and is strictly a Nazi -based organization used by the Ukraine Government to get at people based on the fact that they are Russian speaking?   Do you think it is right for the Ukraine Government to arrest and hold without trial opposition members in the Ukraine Parliament because they oppose the Ukraine Government - this happened in the weeks before the actual invasion took place and indicates Russian speaking inhabitants are under threat in the Ukraine.
Now read the following too:-
"Ukraine rejects a Kremlin offer to open escape routes for civilians trapped by the fighting in the cities of Kharkiv, Kyiv, Mariupol and Sumy because several of the routes lead to Russia or its ally Belarus."
The above is BS.   The people who want to flee can go to Poland and other EU member countries.   The objection of Ukraine is that the areas under attack basically are Russian speaking  areas of Ukraine where the majority of the people would not go to the West - but to Russia.   Is ethnic Russians barred from  being evacuated?

          
    
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SebPro2,680 posts
08 Mar 2022, 09:31
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08 Mar 2022, 09:31#9

Idiots all speculating with their own uninformed opinions when they refuse to except historical facts.

Well, I'm certainly not losing sleep, I'm fully confident in my own beliefs and I know who is in ultimate control.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Mar 2022, 14:15
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08 Mar 2022, 14:15#10
". . . and I know who is in ultimate control."
Tit is probably referring to Magic Beardman here . . . or Putin . . . or his wife . . . but I think we all know who is ultimately in control of Tit . . . Smirnoff! 
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
08 Mar 2022, 14:51
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08 Mar 2022, 14:51#11

General Tit should be on the front line fighting for his master Putin. Somehow Putin has taken over from Trump as the saviour of the far-right

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