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Starmer’s comment

Started by Mozart95 REPLIES721 VIEWS· 02 Apr 2026, 15:46
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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2026, 15:46#1

‘This is not our war. We will not be drawn into a war which is not in our interest.’ Is an amazingly insensitive thing to say, even if he believes it to be true and is supported by the increasing lost British public. The $35 trillion is accumulated value contributed to Europe defense since WW2 aside, Americans think of the 500,000 men who died in two European wars.


And the Vichy Republic and Francoland are actually denying the US access to bases they paid for and have staffed in European defense for 60 years.


Prince Charles is apparently due to visit the US shortly and will be received with politeness but perhaps not much enthusiasm after this latest example of what an alliance means. You can opt out if you decide it’s not in your national interest.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 15:54#2

Still banging on about historical aid that America gave.


Bozo's America is not that America. This is something very different.


If Bozo wanted NATO's help he should have given them a heads up. Starmer and the other European leaders are 100% correct to tell him to shove it. Also, don't forget, NATO is a defence organization, not an offensive one.


To any Americans who don't like that, come back one day after you've voted a real president into office, not a clown. America will be welcomed back into the NATO fold when that happens.

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2026, 16:00#3

America has no need for NATO…..that would be Europe, who can now pick up the bill. It’s going to prove a very expensive popularity seeking comment. We have Oceans and the world’s best defense force. Who needs the little men in suits and the Theme Park toy military,


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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 16:05#4

Well, your clown is the one asking for NATO to help him . . . after he started this war without a word to anyone but his pal Bibi.

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2026, 16:10#5

Because the American public understands the main beneficiaries of opening up Hormuz are Europe and Asia. Japan in particular are struggling for LNG, but can’t help other than releasing oil reserves which they have done.


Your are anti war, but are you comfortable with Iran having nuclear weapons?

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 16:27#6

Iran don't have nukes and the previous leader (the one who Bozo killed) actually issued a fatwa against nukes.

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2026, 16:46#7

So you believe they never enriched Uranium to levels only required by nuclear weapons during the rule of the late Ayatollah.

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2026, 16:59#8

Rooi believes pigs fly...unless it's a Trump pig...Trump pigs are bad.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:13#9

Not for the 20 years between 2005 when the fatwa was issued and 2025 when Bozo pulled out of the JCPOA.


Not saying they didn't have some stored away before that but really, if ever Iran had an incentive to continue their program it's this stupid and short-sighted war.

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becs
Pro4,378 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:23#10

Starmer is simply using this situation to shackle us back to the EU.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:24#11

"Rooi believes pigs fly"


That's a bit rich coming from someone who swallows all Bozo's bullshit.

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:29#12

One can debate whether this war is a positive…..reduction in Iran’s capability to have a nuclear weapons vs further radicalization of the militant Muslim world. My view is these guys need no help to go off the rails, they fail at something and it’s automatically the West’s fault. Give them a nuclear weapon and the Strait of Hormuz is closed the next day with a series of demands, mostly involving Israel.


So nobody wanted this war, it’s a miserable outcome and a tragic one for many, including those kids we all still think about. But this is a rogue regime and a constant source of conflict. It will get worse as their programs come to fruition and look out when their oil starts to fade, that’s when they will be at their most dangerous just like Russia.


The right answer was for the world to step in when the election atrocities became known. The US finally did because Trump isn’t a member of the club and is willing to do the unpopular things. In the short run it’s a bust. Maybe in the long run it’s a bust if we don’t get regime change which looks less and less likely.


But that’s not because the administration wasn’t willing to act. It’s because the American public are limiting his hand via the election process and because Europe has been totally unsupportive. Nor does the argument that they weren’t consulted hold much practical weight, that would simply have leaked and made things much more difficult.


Trump’s solution to that conundrum was to say we would take out their whole electrical grid. But the price of that in terms of civilian suffering will probably be too much and the world will accept a phony deal and the Iranians will go on giving us a taste of medieval radicalism every now and then, But we have probably delayed the inevitable by 5 years. In most country’s that and the whole experience might be enough to hope for change. In country’s like Iran sadly that never seems to happen with a a cataclysm



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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:30#13

If Trump's America isn't respectable America then Starmer's Britain is defos not a shadow of Britain.


So what's the argument exactly?


America isn't only its leader. I know I'm not the ANC and and neither is anybody else here.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:37#14

Seriously, why should the Europena countries get involved in a war that they didn't even know about let alone sanction?


Once again, NATO is a defensive organisation, not an offensive one. You might call the Afghanistan war after 9/11 an offensive operation but at least NATO knew about it and sanctioned it.


That's not the case here. Any talk of NATO not being good allies is pure ignorance.

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:39#15

By the way Rooi, here’s when the uranium was enriched:


The uranium that gives Iran the ability to produce multiple bombs was mostly enriched after 2021, and especially accumulated during 2022–2025.


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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:40#16

Europe is not on the side of morality they are on the side of expediency

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 17:40#17

Well, normally America isn't its leader but in this case, with Bozo hand-picking grovelling lackeys to make up his cabinet, firing anyone who doesn't bend the knee and making idiotic decisions based on advice from unqualified Gimps then yes, America is represented by one clown.


Starmer is huge upgrade on Boris and the Conservatives who preceded him.

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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
02 Apr 2026, 18:07#18

Rioiinek


Trump did not pick incompetents who were crooked as well like Biden did leaving the country in chaos The Cabinet members took heir instructioons from Soros and Gates and the result was an increase of %10,5 trilion increase in the Federal Debt.


The Secretary of the reasury did not now whatt wa sin the get she had tod eal with in the S ena te and House, The picks were amde with due regard to homosexual oreiation and sex change cases. They gad Buttigig as Minister of Transport nd the s ystem collapsed.


Lesson - the Bide nn crooked cabonet fucked up eveyhing royally - end of story.


I think Trump should left Europe facing a nuclear armed Iran and see what happens to them. Nato at present is a joke with countries spending a fraction of what is needed in their defense budgets. Trump should wiohdraw the 100 000 US troops in Europe and let tem face the consequences. With friends like the European members of NATO who needs enemies.



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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
02 Apr 2026, 18:11#19

Polling aggregates...


"Straight comparison (current averages):


  1. Donald Trump ? ~–5 to –10 net approval
  2. Keir Starmer ? ~–50 to –60 net approval



Bottom line:

Starmer is far more unpopular in current polling than Trump, by a large margin."


PS Trump is an actual upgrade on Biden according to aggregate polling numbers and Starmer, is on aggregate, less popular the Boris.


Again, I'll ask, what is the argument here?

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2026, 19:00#20

Plum, there's no stat you can throw at me that's going to make me change my opinion that Starmer is a decent, well-spoken and intelligent man while Bozo is a repulsive, boastful and incompetent fool.

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