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Survey for the Trump bashers

Started by Mozart83 REPLIES1,296 VIEWS· 12 Nov 2020, 16:39
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Nov 2020, 04:28
#41
16 Nov 2020, 04:28#41

Of course it means that...there is the simple belief that anything that helps Trump has to be denied. That means the media lands on the same number every time the wheel turns. 

It’s a religion with no tolerance for those who don’t share the faith.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Nov 2020, 09:48
#42
16 Nov 2020, 09:48#42
"It’s a religion with no tolerance for those who don’t share the faith."
Sounds like a pretty good description of Trumpism.
Surprised Moffie hasn't slunk away form this thread after getting completely and utterly pwned by Stav. Moffie obviously not bright enough to realize he's been humiliated and schooled on every one of Bozo's failures that was raised. 
Every single one!
LMAO!
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Nov 2020, 10:18
#43
16 Nov 2020, 10:18#43

Star has not yet schooled anyone on here...not that I've noticed anyway.

His tactics, while nowhere near as bad as some others, are flawed.

Accept these examples...

"Your point being?...reading from a script does not mean its a conspiracy." Neither does it mean that it's not a conspiracy. 

"without letting anyone know and despite reasonable evidence to the contrary in terms of the substance of their message."
What do you mean without letting anyone know, they broadcast that message to all their viewers, unless your suggesting they thought no one would notice the message was the same from all these different stations. What did you want all these stations to give advanced notice that where going to do it or say they where doing it in conjunction with other news outlets? What difference would that have made. People like the poster of that video or yourself would likel will still have criticized them as some sort of part of conspiracy. Complete straw man argument that intentionally dodges.

So you have reasonable evidence that fake news isn't all over social media? Completely irrelevant and misleading.

You haven't posted a shred of evidence to back up your claim that someone is telling/forcing all those media stations to say the same thing? I never promised evidence. Just offered takers an opportunity to provide a simpler solution. So again, irrelevant.
Once again the onus is on you making the claim to prove it. No claims are being made. A situation is presented and you are asked to state the simplest route by which the situation arose. I've stated mine.
Once you get down to it, avoidance, misdirection and a few other less effective tactics...but no schooling anywhere.
Alas, I'll soon lose faith in your MVP, Rooi.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Nov 2020, 10:30
#44
16 Nov 2020, 10:30#44
No worries, ButtPlug. I don't expect any of you Trumpanzees to know when you're being schooled. You just don't have the intellect and even if you did, you've all drunk way too much of the Kool Aid to change your little minds about anything. 
You just stay in your delusional little bubble and keep squeaking about all the naughty people conspiring to steal the election. There's a good little Trumpanzee.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Nov 2020, 11:29
#45
16 Nov 2020, 11:29#45

 I see Hugo Chavez's pals own the company that wrote the software running Dominion systems. 

And they still own the company...

Apparently, they specifically wrote it in order for Chavez to be able to rigg the election and stay in power. Now ain't that something.

I'm guessing you want zero to do with this particular rabbit hole, huh RooiTits?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Nov 2020, 14:03
#46
16 Nov 2020, 14:03#46
ButtPlug, I fact checked your Dominion claims (on this thread) and you are massively overstating the extent to which this software was used.
Only 12 of the 50 states used Dominion in the majority of their counties, 2 of those states went to Bozo (Louisiana and Alaska) and of the remaining 10, only 3 of those were swing states (Nevada, Georgia and Michigan) .
Looks like your "rabbit hole" is just more of the same bullshit that you pathetic little sore losers are throwing around, hoping that some of it sticks to something.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Nov 2020, 14:21
#47
16 Nov 2020, 14:21#47

Wrong...

It was used in Nevada, Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona.

It was used in 2000 jurisdictions in 30 States.

What now?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Nov 2020, 14:35
#48
16 Nov 2020, 14:35#48

Typical lefty "fact check"...ignore the facts you don't like.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Nov 2020, 14:36
#49
16 Nov 2020, 14:36#49

ButtPlug, just click on the map I provided on the other thread (here it is again in case you're too dumb to find it), wipe the egg off your face and try again.

If you're going to simply ignore what I said about a majority or minority of counties in each state then note that Dominion was also used in Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Florida and Ohio.

So, why aren't you getting all indignant about Florida, chump?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Nov 2020, 15:27
#50
16 Nov 2020, 15:27#50

"So, why aren't you getting all indignant about Florida, chump?"

Entirely irrelevant.
Very weak try, Rooi.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Nov 2020, 15:35
#51
16 Nov 2020, 15:35#51

Irrelevant?

Florida used Dominion software in many counties. Florida could have gone either way but Bozo won it. It's the only reason he stood a chance at all.

I think Florida is pretty relevant . . . should Florida vote again because they used the naughty Dominion software . . . or are you okay with that result just because Bozo won?

Hmmm?


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Nov 2020, 16:00
#52
16 Nov 2020, 16:00#52


"Your point being?...reading from a script does not mean its a conspiracy." Neither does it mean that it's not a conspiracy.

Then provide evidence of a conspiracy. If there is no evidence of a conspiracy there is nothing to debunk. Once again the onus is on you to provide evidence, your taking the position that the media is controlled by one entity/source, you back up that claim. Saying they all read from the same script is not evidence of that.

"What do you mean without letting anyone know, they broadcast that message to all their viewers, unless your suggesting they thought no one would notice the message was the same from all these different stations. What did you want all these stations to give advanced notice that where going to do it or say they where doing it in conjunction with other news outlets? What difference would that have made. People like the poster of that video or yourself would likel will still have criticized them as some sort of part of conspiracy. Complete straw man argument that intentionally dodges."

Just pointing out the flaws in your logic.

"So you have reasonable evidence that fake news isn't all over social media? Comple tely irrelevant and misleading."

Its not irrelevant is a perfectly valid and legitimate motive for the news media to broadcast the same message.

I never promised evidence. Just offered takers an opportunity to provide a simpler solution. So again, irrelevant.

If your not providing evidence then why are we having this discussion?  I provided a simpler solution.

No claims are being made. A situation is presented and you are asked to state the simplest route by which the situation arose. I've stated mine.

You did make a claim, you said "Simplest assumption - someone told them all what to say"

I stated the simplest route.

Your picking the ground to fight on, but you don't seem to have the stomach to stand and fight on it.





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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Nov 2020, 18:03
#53
16 Nov 2020, 18:03#53

The usual RooiCoward tactics he claims I’m ‘pwned’ by some silly Leftie kid without any supporting arguments. No tit....not one of his arguments hold water. They are all just ‘accusations’ hurled at Trump most of which  aren’t even currently believed by the Media.


Trumps accomplishments by contrast are undeniable.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Nov 2020, 18:03
#54
16 Nov 2020, 18:03#54

The usual RooiCoward tactics he claims I’m ‘pwned’ by some silly Leftie kid without any supporting arguments. No tit....not one of his arguments hold water. They are all just ‘Google accusations’ hurled at Trump, most of which  aren’t even currently believed by the Media.


Trumps accomplishments by contrast are undeniable.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Nov 2020, 18:30
#55
16 Nov 2020, 18:30#55
Trumps accomplishments are few and relatively minor to moderate in size outweighed by a long list of failures which are much more substantial in scale. History will not be kind to Trump and his legacy will likely be that as one of the worst Presidents the US ever had.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Nov 2020, 18:49
#56
16 Nov 2020, 18:49#56

There you go again......just another assertion.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Nov 2020, 20:22
#57
16 Nov 2020, 20:22#57

Were Trump a WOC president that achieved the same economy and low unemployment...we all know how that story would play. As for the Middle East agreements, we'd never hear the end of it. How it took a WOC to do what no WM could ever achieve.

Time's person of the year, CNNs messiah and on Jimmy Fallon every other week.

N o doubt Cloudy, Stav, Rooi and Tannie Dinnie would beaming with woke pride. 

I'm exaggerating. No way they could be that hypocritical, right?

Cough...Russia Collusion...Cough.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Nov 2020, 21:18
#58
16 Nov 2020, 21:18#58

Take Daesh ....allowed to run rampant under O Bama/Biden.....with a physical territory they controlled.  Trump’s team in no time wrapped up their caliphate and reduced them to a bit player in primitive countries.


Now according Anger that’s no accomplishment. But it begs the question, if it was so easy, why didn’t Uncle Joe’s team do it?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Nov 2020, 22:18
#59
16 Nov 2020, 22:18#59

Hilarious when you you consider that the Mid East in general perceive the supposedly racist and bigoted Trump more favorably than Hillary or Obama...and by a good distance too.

There's just not enough mental gymnastics in the world to get around that one.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Nov 2020, 23:41
#60
16 Nov 2020, 23:41#60

Too true. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Nov 2020, 03:04
#61
17 Nov 2020, 03:04#61

Take Al Qaida ....allowed to run rampant under O Bama/Biden.....with a physical territory they controlled.  Trump’s team in no time wrapped up their caliphate and reduced them to a bit player in primitive countries.

Its Al Qaeda and you're getting them confused with ISIS.

This is just more Trump over exaggeration of his success. He's due a share of the credit in reducing the threat of ISIS but as per usual he's unfairly trying to take all the credit. ISIS had lost at least half it territory already by the time Trump became President. Trump also used Obama's strategy to combat ISIS.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1375/develop-plan-defeat-isis-30-days/

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/10/15/who-really-defeated-the-islamic-state-obama-or-trump/

Like Trump Moz, you never let reality get in the way of a good story.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2020, 07:18
#62
17 Nov 2020, 07:18#62

If it lost half it’s territory under Obama that’s hardly a plus given it gained all it’s territory under Obama. But you’re right I was referring to ISIS or Daesh. Either  way this Obama creation was defeated in 2017:

2017 - Islamic State suffers a year of catastrophic defeats. In June it loses Mosul to Iraqi forces after months of fighting and Baghdad declares the end of the caliphate. In September the Syrian army races eastwards backed by Russia and Iran to relieve Deir al-Zor and re-extend state control at the Euphrates River. In October, the SDF drives IS from Raqqa.

* 2018 - The Syrian government retakes IS enclaves in Yarmouk, south of Damascus, and on the frontier with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The SDF advances further down the Euphrates and Iraqi forces take the rest of the border region. The United States vows to withdraw troops.

* 2019 - IS fighters are defeated at their last enclave on the Euphrates at the village of Baghouz, the SDF says. The SDF declares the “caliphate” eliminated.


Last I looked Trump was President in that period and he finished the job by getting Al-Baghdadi in 2019.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Nov 2020, 08:14
#63
17 Nov 2020, 08:14#63
Bozo's list of failures is sitting on about 40 while his list of successes is . . . ummm . . . zero!
A one-term failure and easily the worst US president in history. You'd have to be as stupid as a Trumpanzee to think otherwise.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Nov 2020, 08:48
#64
17 Nov 2020, 08:48#64

Rooi, 

Thanks for finally clarifying your position.

Gosh, I thought you'd never spit it out.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Nov 2020, 08:49
#65
17 Nov 2020, 08:49#65

It's awfully funny that when Beeno slagged of Obama and Hilary no-one either objected or cared......I mean there were screamer headliners day after day which  dragged into years. That bit about Hussein Obama in particular was disgusting but again, no one reacted or objected like the Trump Puppets do when something is said about their master.

Go figure.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Nov 2020, 08:57
#66
17 Nov 2020, 08:57#66

There was nowhere near this amount of interest in politics at that stage, Denny.

And this not about Trump the man.

How do you still not understand that?

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Nov 2020, 09:09
#67
17 Nov 2020, 09:09#67

Wait on......are you telling me that there aren't posters on here who thought a hell of a lot about Obama? You can start the count with me if that's what you think. 

The point I make is that Beeno's comments were disgusting but no-one cared meaning whatever he said about the man was acceptable. Perhaps you can argue that now there are more Beeno's it's just that the  dislike is directed at Trump. Still I don't get the hyper sensitivity attached to attacks on him.

Buddy, we can go round and round on this one, it's all just old arguments and points.....I hate long arguments, have it your way. Tomorrow is another day and our lives will roll along as if nothing had changed.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
17 Nov 2020, 11:49
#68
17 Nov 2020, 11:49#68

Who is in this Cretin club" miss Cloudy....?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Nov 2020, 11:57
#69
17 Nov 2020, 11:57#69

...and indeed, does the "Lonely Hearts Club" spend its time dreaming of cretins?

It would really seem so haha

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Nov 2020, 12:55
#70
17 Nov 2020, 12:55#70

Well here's an apparently fact-checked list of Trump's hits and misses. Maybe this can help bring a little more objectivity to the discussion (if anyone here is interested in objectivity as opposed to just banging their own drums, of course).

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Nov 2020, 13:25
#71
17 Nov 2020, 13:25#71

Beggers can't be choosers, Cloudy.

Well into one's 40s, still living at home and single = desperate.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Nov 2020, 13:31
#72
17 Nov 2020, 13:31#72

Good link Pakie.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Nov 2020, 13:43
#73
17 Nov 2020, 13:43#73

NY Times...

Yeah I'll bet Star loves that link.

This is the same paper that accused Nick Sandman of being a racist, etc. The same paper that he took to court. The same paper that had access to the full clip where it clearly shows the kids being racially abused and sworn at by three black adults, and responded by simply singing a school warcry...yet the NY Times chose to censor the truth and call the kids racists.

And just like CNN, they'll be taken to the cleaners by Sandman's lawyers and ultimately end up settling out of court for an undisclosed sum.

https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/federal-judge-greenlights-nick-sandmanns-defamation-lawsuit-against-the-new-york-times/

This is the same paper where the wokest of woke journalists resigned because the paper was too woke even for her...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bari-weiss-quits-new-york-times-bullying

Tell me, how "objective" do you think these guys are?

haha

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Nov 2020, 14:09
#74
17 Nov 2020, 14:09#74

Plum I know it's not exactly an unbiased source, but they do provide links to a variety of outside sources (including .gov sites) where you can double-check most of it and form your own opinion. You can certainly see a bias (like a vibe of "yes the economy was doing well but only until the pandemic hit" ) running through some of it, but at least it gives a fair list of things to examine and brings a semblance of balance. It wasn't all good, but it wasn't all bad either.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Nov 2020, 14:30
#75
17 Nov 2020, 14:30#75
Just to point out that Moffie did say in his opening post to us Trump-bashers that "the floor is your's (sic)" and we should list Bozo's failures. Not sure how this has become a thread about any tiny little crumbs you Trumpanzees can interpret as successes unless the floor is no longer ours?
I listed several failures which anyone is welcome to fact check. I haven't had a single person even try to refute one of them. Moffie tried to refute Stav's list and got enormous amounts of egg all over his fat face . . . so in the absence of any further refutations and seeing as you Trumpanzees have given up on debating the failures and have switched back to finding alleged accomplishments, I think we can call this thread a triumph for the Bozo-bashers and a humiliating defeat for the Trumpanzees.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Nov 2020, 15:01
#76
17 Nov 2020, 15:01#76

I didn't check the link TBH, Pakie.

Tend to not give wanna give the NY Times, WP or CNN any clicks. Not sure whether that helps the problem or makes it worse haha

All I know is that my snout is out in terms of these Dominion systems and the software they run with.

Anyone here is invited to make a case for the mass of co-incidences as concerns the origins, operation and security around these machines.

I feel like there are enough knowns/facts that a reasonable person should be able to make a call on what they think. Nobody here has. 

It's quite simple in the end. Do you believe that people overseeing systems that are able to alter election outcomes, will not cross the line?

Let's assume that's all we know.

Human nature suggests that people will abuse it. There's innumerable precedent for this.

Functionality is not a consequence of happenstance either. Seemingly, there were not only back doors but also code written that could manipulate the data autonomously.

Then there are complete statistical anomalies, only present at key locations. And they fall completely outside of the ranges in even deep blue states.

As a judge, there is no way you could simply write this all off as coincidence. Apparently, there are key players that will be testifying too...

That Sidney Powell chick is no joke. A skoonma from hell, and she seems confident about this.

Let's see what happens.  






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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Nov 2020, 15:33
#77
17 Nov 2020, 15:33#77

I'm  more than happy to provide links to research, evidence, facts and expert opinions to back up anything I've put down as a failure against Trump and debate them, though it would probably best to stick to just one or two topics at a time.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2020, 17:46
#78
17 Nov 2020, 17:46#78

And we still don’t have one concrete instance where Americans are worse off, less secure, less creative, less able to exercise their freedoms, more likely to die in foreign wars........than 4 years ago.

Just a bunch of media sticking points like ‘his recognition of Jerusalem as the capital  of Israel’. There’s a move Churchill would have been proud of.....but then again Churchill is so 20th century.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Nov 2020, 19:18
#79
17 Nov 2020, 19:18#79

The only sphere American's were worse off was in their headspace which the media and demS filled with lies.

Instead of enjoying the success that Trump brought, people were convinced that they lived in the worst and most racist country on Earth. They were told by the media that they needed to act and then deM mayors gave them a free-pass to riot endlessly and intimidate average people...with little to no consequence. 

None of it was Trump's doing.

And all of this happened because the public electing Trump was already an insult but the larger rejection of their status quo broke the camel's back. 

The public put them in their place and so they spent the next four years getting payback. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Nov 2020, 20:10
#80
17 Nov 2020, 20:10#80

Watching Moffie trying to pretend he didn't have his head handed to him on this thread is like watching Bozo trying to pretend he won the election.

I'm actually starting to lose track of all the remarkable similarities between Moffie and Bozo.

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