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The Impeachment Trial in the Senate

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 Jan 2020, 09:32
#41
28 Jan 2020, 09:32#41
The irony is that the person coming out of all this with honour, integrity and dignity is Adam Schiff . . . the person that Bozo and the Trumpanzees call a corrupt politician and a liar.
LMAO!
Just for the record . . . before the Trumpanzees start squealing, I'm no fan of John Bolton. He should have had the guts to testify after his subpoena and I don't believe it's any coincidence that his latest revelations happened just before his book launch. A weak, self-serving and opportunistic coward . . . typical of a Bozo appointee . . . but that doesn't change the fact that his testimony will implicate Bozo which is why the Replublicans are so opposed to him being called as a witness. It's a massive cover-up and the cowardly arselicking Republican senators are accountable.  
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jan 2020, 10:14
#42
28 Jan 2020, 10:14#42

They did not follow due process. They should have subpoenaed him to testify in Congress if they wanted him as a witness. They never did, They merely asked him. This is political gamesmanship. If time had anything to do with their refusal to pursue the correct legal avenues, why did they sit on the articles for weeks before forwarding to congress?

Schiff is a proven liar and fabricated a scenario to suit his agenda. Self serving prick. Congress should have gathered evidence and questioned witnesses before sending the articles to the Senate. Why didn't they? It gives them a lame arsed back door for failing to impeach a president. All optics for the idiots foolish enough to swallow all their BS.


"Bolton's lawyers said they were "dismayed" at the decision not to subpoena him. They said Bolton and former deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman, who are represented by the same lawyers, wanted a "definitive judgment from the Judicial Branch determining their Constitutional duty in the face of conflicting demands of the Legislative and Executive Branches."




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CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Jan 2020, 11:53
#43
28 Jan 2020, 11:53#43
Bolton’s “evidence” will not change a thing. I have watched the entire defence case until close to the end of Dershowitz’ evidence. The defence has so far done a good job of tearing Schiff et al to pieces. And they have done it all by using the Dems’ own evidence and witnesses. They have not even introduced a single piece of their own evidence. They didn’t need to. Pelosi, Schumer, etc must be seriously pissed off with Pencilneck and Turtleneck by now.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Jan 2020, 13:02
#44
28 Jan 2020, 13:02#44

Schiff , Nadler, Pelosi and Schumer have done serious damage to the demonrats.

Watched to late last night until the lunch break. Then watched Dershowitz the morning. They have smashed the demonrats. Frankly all these COUP plotters must be indicted for treason/ sedition and hung.

Fantastic viewing these guys in action destroying one lie after another with hard evidence. Wonder how many demonreat Senators will vote against impeachment.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Jan 2020, 13:25
#45
28 Jan 2020, 13:25#45
I loved the part where they basically used past expressions of both Schumer and Nadler, on impeachment, in evidence in defence of Trump. I wished they would show the expression on their faces at that moment. They basically used Nadler as evidence against himself. What a tool!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jan 2020, 13:44
#46
28 Jan 2020, 13:44#46

There is another issue that really troubled me and I am sure the Senators as well.   In a clip of a meeting between  Obama and Medvedev - the Russian President at the time - Obama told Medvedev that he will have more flexibility to deal with issues affecting Russia-USA relations fate the 2012 elections.   That is not in any way the manner in which international relations issues should be handled.   

So after the 2012 election what happened?   In 2014 Russian separatists and Russia itself got involved in a war against Ukraine.  Congress approved armament  aid to Ukraine and Obama vetoed it since it would upset Russia.

Now we know that Obama, Clinton and a host of DP leaders had questionable issues on corrupt agreements with Russia,  We also know that there is written prove of that.   Afraid of it becoming an issue in the 2016 election campaign - the Obama Administration and Clinton connived with foreign sources to accuse Trump of being supported by Putin in the election through Russian meddling.   This is becoming clearer daily - so who would Putin rather have as President.  Definitely not Trump, more likely the corrupt Clinton.         

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jan 2020, 14:21
#47
28 Jan 2020, 14:21#47

"Bolton’s “evidence” will not change a thing. I have watched the entire defence case until close to the end of Dershowitz’ evidence. The defence has so far done a good job of tearing Schiff et al to pieces. And they have done it all by using the Dems’ own evidence and witnesses. They have not even introduced a single piece of their own evidence. They didn’t need to.

Pelosi, Schumer, etc must be seriously pissed off with Pencilneck and Turtleneck by now."


It's moving the goal posts in the hope that their demands get rejected, then they can yell:"foul/unfair/cover-up!". If they get Bolton, they'll want someone else. They are throwing sh!t, hoping enough will stick to impede Trump, or hoping they'll get lucky and actually find some wrong doing by chance. They've spent millions to get dirt on him...if there were, they would have found it by now. The best they could do was "Stormy" and the "grab them by the p...", and where did that go? Nothing-burger. Obstructionism taken to the next level.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jan 2020, 17:28
#48
28 Jan 2020, 17:28#48

Anybody believing what Schiff came up with is a nutcase,  He, Pelosi, Biden and Podesta is neck deep involved in Ukraine corruption.  His election in 2018 is funded by a Ukraine Company.  

The Russian company manufacturing arms in Ukraine was a beneficiary of previous US grants - part of that was kicked back to two institutions in the USA  on the boards of which Schiff staff members are serving.  As crooked as hell that one,   

His other sponsor and crony is George Soros - the Nazi-turned-Communist - who funded his studies and previous election campaigns,   One of the main reasons for the firing of that previous Ambassador if the USA in Ukraine was that Trump found out she while in charge of  Grant funding applications in Ukraine she channeled millions to a Soros front organization.            

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jan 2020, 17:56
#49
28 Jan 2020, 17:56#49

Dershowitz’ testimony was a bolt of intellectual insight in a soup of emotional twaddle. Presidents have to be able to seek advice. They have to be able to entertain ideas, express frustrations....without that becoming public. None of this is illegal.....unless they act on it and literally order it. 


In this case all we have so far is a very reasonable request to look into the corruption of a senior US politician. And even if aid was withheld for a short while to register a point, which hasn’t been proven....nothing meaningful happened provided the aid was timeously given. Which it was.


The standard the Left  is applying to Trump, that all his private musings be Simon pure, are so high that literally every President of the US would have been impeached. Certainly Johnson, Clinton, Kennedy, Obama and Roosevelt, especially Roosevelt, would have been gone.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Jan 2020, 17:59
#50
28 Jan 2020, 17:59#50
@Draad. I have now actually watched the rest of Dershowitz’ testimony and it seems like he left the best for last, so to speak. I wanted to watch to the end but decided to leave it for later because I was actually getting a bit bored with his lesson. The last part of his testimony was, however, the most powerful of all. It was interesting to watch the other testimonies taking the Dems’ own evidence and turn it against them but then came Dershowitz. He delivered the most brilliant plea and I believe that any of the Dem Senator, who watched that, and also paid close attention to what he said, and still believe that this warrants the removal of Trump is either delusional or seriously dishonest. Particularly if they bear in mind the dire consequences, for future Presidents, if they were to succeed in removal based on these articles.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jan 2020, 18:30
#51
28 Jan 2020, 18:30#51

Just as an afterthought - the fact is that the DP and their media sidekicks are making hay about Bolton and what he will come up with,  But we have been hearing the same claims for three years now - the Mueller report being the big example of that.  Probably another dream coming tumbling down when it is exposed.

Remember how the NYT ad Washington Post claimed that Horowitz have exonerated Comey and co about the FISA report.   Horowitz waned to stay out of the political mayhem by saying he found no evidence of political bias  as the to papers claim - but there  were clear indication that there were  need for further investigation as t criminal activity  involved,

I just don't believe the claims of the DP and the media anymore.             

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Jan 2020, 21:07
#52
28 Jan 2020, 21:07#52
The Bolton story is another “timeous” leak by the New York Times, I think it was. From what I understand, the crux is that it is based on something that a journo heard from somebody about something Bolton allegedly says in the manuscript of a book that is to be released somewhere in March. Speaking of solid evidence. Sounds like yet another example of dodgy evidence to me.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jan 2020, 22:18
#53
28 Jan 2020, 22:18#53

A pox on all  these public servants writing tell it all,  or more accurately imagine it all,  books the moment they leave office.

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