The Red Heifer ...

As I'm sure you guys are all aware that before the 2nd coming of Christ, the Jewish temple needs to be rebuilt ... for the 3rd time.

It was destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D.

The Jews have been without their temple these last 2000 years.

Not surprised at all...the world's reaction to Covid and the jabs + the idiotic war in Ukraine was quite an eye opener. 

Well I for one wasn't aware but what a load of superstitious nonsense.

Grown men believing in old wives tales bloody hilarious and they don't even show any embarrassment stating it. 

Tits Li ke this probably think Jack and the beanstalk are historical fact

Sader, the similarities between what's happening today and what was predicted in 2K year old scripture is startling...can be attributed to people steering things in that direction because of Scripture or not...for those who know the signs, it's quite startling to see things moving as they do...

Oh come on you religious idiots have been spouting this shit for 2000 years and nothing in you silly book ever comes to pass.

Religious zealots have been predicting this garbage for 2000 years and been proven wrong every single time. When are you fools going to wake up that you have been sold a puppy?

Hell your stupid book stated that people that lived at the time of Jesus would see his return within their life time.

Notice you just ignore that .

bit along with along with every other stupid statement in you book of lies  just to suit yourselfs

How do you justify all that and still believe, totally beyond me 

Great to hear you being startled by this, Draad.

You have every reason to he concerned. Things are happening at a rapid rate. 

Make right with Him now.

The world is blind today ... just as it was back in the days of Noah. 

Look how Sader responded to this post. You will hear that mocking tone a lot more often.

Watch Israel. Its all going to come from there. 

Their interest in dividing Israel up into 2 states is also part of prophecy. 

Dont let anyone dissuade you. 

Let me know if I can help you in any way.

We are living in very interesting times, Draad. 

Make right with Him ... now.

Mocking tone, at least you got that right lol

Come on you half wits have to see that you are gullible  fools right. How can anyone in their right mind think that the Bible is anything but the imagination of some ignorant desert herder.

I have a bridge in London for sale  that is right up your alley

The world has never been so wide awake to your BS.

Nothing like a ignorant Christian getting but t hurt over the fact the world is waking up to your nonsense.

The world is a better place without your stupidity

@ButtPlug, if "a" God does exist, there is no reason to suggest it is actually like God in the Bible, or Budha, or the Hindu God, the Ancient Egyptians God(s), the Ancient Roman God(s) etc, etc, etc.

With so many Gods and religions, if one is right it suggests the others are wrong. 
Some religions have lots of Gods, while others only have one God (monolithic). 

No one has actually proven their religion is better or worse than other religions. (except perhaps Islam. But other religions were also very bad long ago)

It is more statistically likely that they are all wrong. Just man-made stories that have changed over the millennia from folklore (before writing) to what is in place today. 

And even in one religious sect like Christianity, there are lots of versions of canon. (Different Bibles)

Even in one Bible, the Books of John may tell the same story differently than say the Books of Mathew. 

Take a look at a few scenarios:
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1.) Let's assume for the moment that all Gods are wrong, and all made-up stories. Man created God as a reflection of himself, not the other way around

At best, the parts of "any" religion that is good are divinely inspired - especially in ancient cultures before modern-day laws, or any written law. 

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Or let's assume that "a" God created the universe, and just created the laws of physics. And then everything since the big bang is random chance, with no creator control.

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Or let's assume that because you think the universe should not exist logically, therefore it must be a God. So anything you can't understand, means that it must be divine creation. 

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In summary, there have been crises in the past, that many religious people might have thought meant the return of Jesus. They will quote predictions from the Bible -  like the Book of revelations, and say it was prophesized. 

Show me anywhere in the Bible where it said nuclear bombs would be created and destroy the world 
Show me anywhere in the Bible where it is said that vaccines will become the mark of the beast.

Vaccines are a recent invention, as are nuclear bombs. So there is no direct reference in the Bible Just generic, wishy-washy stuff that could be applied to any crisis. 
It does not say needle for medical treatment is actually the Devil. 

All the Bible(s) says is the end of days, which basically could be applied to anything. 
Maybe political leaders over the years have just edited the Bible to include stuff that they have wanted, and then the priest makes if official cannon. 

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Haaaahaha!!

Nicely put, Plum 

Indeed  A creator would certainly present a problem. 

It would mean that Sader may have to set aside his bottle and face reality.

The clever people come up with a thousand theories to disprove His existence. 

I on the other hand have never had that urge. 

Any way ... the point of this thread was not to debate His existence. 

That fact is simple logic.

If people have difficulty accepting that ... well ... that's not my problem.

The mere fact that red heifers have been found proves that biblical prophecy  is true ... again.

Its so strange that this book of fairytales keep proving its critics wrong ... again and again ... and again.

Prophecy wont be denied just cause an inebriated  Sader says so.

I think he may have bigger issues to deal with than the existence of the one and only living God. 

Any way ... thank you for being so objective ... so logical. 

Well owls exist and they are in Harry Potter books so Hogwarts obviously exist based on your theory.

You actually really believe the Bible is correct because it mentions a red cow.

What about all the obvious errors like talking snakes and donkeys, surely that proves God doesn't exist based on your statement.

And still waiting for your explanation on Jesus prophecy that he would return before some people present at his death died

He got that wrong so it proves it's all BS

1. So we are living in a simulation because some physicists have theorised about this. 
   
   
2. So all Gods are real, not one of them... It is actually the same God who is schizophrenic. 
   
   
3. And then we have ButtPlug, the pseudo-intellectual who misunderstands some physics, so that explains the certain existence of God.

Do we see many if any physicists in the 21st century agree with the ButtPlug hypothesis? (Other than on planet Meton). 

No, what we have is ButtPlug living in his own simulated reality, so the real world is actually not real... 

Cherry picking, the definition of Christianity 

Even if we did live in a simulation, that does not mean God exists.

You are name-dropping using Dawkins to elevate your argument. However, Dawkins was not religious, probably more of an anti-theist. 

There certainly could be a creator, but just as certainly it would be nothing like us humans can even begin to imagine. The human idea of god is limited to what the human is exposed to, that's why the gods too often fall to the same petty follies that humans do. Imagine a god being able to create an infinite universe with a snap of his fingers, conjure magical things like black holes, nebulas, but then being concerned about where the little human puts his little penis. Who is concerned about that? Humans.

ButtPlug, I am multi-tasking watching TV while posting - I meant Hawking.

Although Dawkins is another smart person who has forgotten more about science than you can spell. Or Darwin etc, etc.

You created a causal relationship between Hawking and your simulated reality. The premise of your argument is that if physicists believe XYZ, it must mean that God exists. Yet most physicists do not even believe in God, certainly not a biblical God. 

Good points Pakie...our knowledge of everything is miniscule, so also our ideas on The Creator.

Sader … firstly … I’m not going to go through every passage in God’s Word that confuses you.

You can get off your barstool and go do a little research yourself.

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings … but … you will find thousands of passages in God’s Word that befuddle your drunken state of mind.  

No doubt you will latch onto them too as you have Matthew 16:28 and use it as an excuse to deny His existence .. and attack other Christians with it … as I’m sure you’ve done many times.

However … seeing as you asked so nicely, let me explain what Jesus Christ meant by that. 

Now before I do that, you need to understand something first.

The Godhead consist of 3 separate personalities. The Father … the Son … and the Holy Spirit.

God is three but 1.

My best explanation is to liken Him to a three leaf clover. Three separate leaves making up 1 complete leaf.

The main figure representing the Godhead in the Old Testament was God the Father … and for a spell (33 years to be precise) God the Son in the New Testament.

When the Son gave up His life for you and your children, He descended into the pit and took the keys of death away from Lucifer (among other things) … and then was resurrected.

He showed himself to more than 400 witness and made a promise to His apostles that when He ascended to Heaven, He would send the Holy Spirit (the third personality of the Godhead) to them as a counselor, a teacher, a comforter … and that from that day He would sit on His throne in His kingdom ... in other words...  "coming in His Kingdom". 

The Holy Spirit was sent as promised and arrived on the day of Pentacost (Acts 2 : 2-4) and dwells among us to this day.

When Jesus the Christ told them that some of them would not taste death before seeing the Kingdom of God, this is what He was referring to.

Now … of all of them standing there, listening to Him, Judas Iscariot and He himself would die before this dramatic event took place.

I know there are many like you who are ignorant enough to think that His statement meant that some would have an extraordinary long life. 

That nonsense was fabricated by you and your kind ... not by Jesus Christ.

As I said ... prophecy will not be denied.

CC firstly every passage of what some man thinks is the word of a god confuses me, you nor anyone else can provide one piece of evidence that your book is gods word.

Why should I take the bible over any other religious book of gods word, as it's been said before all the different religions cannot be correct but they can all be wrong.

And out of interest sake which of gods versions of the bible is the actual one and how did you decide that this version is the correct one?

Until it has been proven to be gods word I will treat it like you treat every other religions holy book

Also I can assure you I have spent a vastly greater number of hours evaluating the truths to the Christian religion. (which I bet you could count the minutes you have spent questioning your beliefs on one hand). I tend to ignore individuals on either side as you only tend to get one view point. Debates I always find the most entertaining as well as the most informative as you get both sides of the discussion. 

So while your long winded piece sounds all wonderful its still just a bunch of word salad based on some obscure book that nobody knows who wrote it

Well, well, well … who would have guessed that Sader was a deep thinker?

You have just gone up 100pts on my interesting person scale.

Isn’t that a kick in the head?

So … you have an issue with the Bible … or for that matter … any written book … of any religion.

It would be silly of me to try prove the existence of God by using a book that you don’t trust.

Truth be told … I cannot prove to you that the Bible is the word of God … nor can I prove to you that God exists.

Your refusal to commit to Him in any way is an unscalable obstacle. You distance yourself from any hope of a relationship with God. One would swear you don’t want one.

As you know, in any relationship, the risk of being hurt or betrayed is a definite possibility … but … how do you know it won’t work lest you take that chance?  

You cannot have a relationship of any kind without risk.

It takes two to tango.

My relationship with God is based on faith.

I have never seen Him … nor have I heard His voice …and yet He speaks to me … He gives me advice … He guides me and teaches me … He convicts me of my sin … and I have absolute no doubt that He’s crazy about me, cause I feel it.

That is the heart of my relationship with God. Faith.

Hebrews 11:1 … Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

You my dear Sader will have to make a decision and I would make it soon if I were you.

I have the New King James Bible. It is the most accurate of all the Bibles available and has not been tampered with. Many Bibles have been altered. The New International Version has a lot of passages missing.

I prefer the entire Bible ... not part of it … and in modern English. Thee and thou isn’t for me.

It's not a refusal to believe in hin/it. It is just a rational position to take in my opinion.

I have spent almost 60 years on this planet and never once seen/felt anything that what you lot call the supernatural.

It is possible there was a creator (of life not the universe) and I have stated that before but if there is then he is nothing like the God of your bible.

If a man tomorrow created life from non life in a lab would you call him a God? (I don't think so).

Don't you worry about me as I have faith (a completely useless thing as you can have faith in any thing even universe farting pixies) that I live in a natural world and I have nothing to fear in a imaginery vengeful self centered God.

Just out of interest why did your God make me an Atheist, he refuses to show me any inclination he exists and then dooms me to eternity in hell (what a farkin stupid man made idea that is) and don't say I refuse to see the signs I have been looking for 40 years 

If I had to choose a God I would take Crom ( any Conan fans? Lol) now he sounds like my type of God 

For those that don't know he supposedly breathes life into you then fucks off and let's you live a life that you make. Not interested in having people groveling on their knees to him. He doesn't give a shit lol

Actually I have concluded I’m the only thing that  exists and everything around is an illusion. I just keep wondering why my bunker play has to be so erratic in this illusion.

But I like the red heifer, nice touch.

And one other thing at least you will never know you were wrong where as I will but I will not know I was right.

Another question I do have, if there is a heaven can my mum see what I get up to down here on earth?

Not sure I want her watching me in the saddle that is all sorts of weird lol

How the hell can you state the new king James Bible has not been tampered with it was published in 1604. It is a altered version of previous versions of the Bible. You are fooling yourself if you think it is the right one.

Why was it altered, who altered it and how do you know that they were getting commands from a God to do so

And no King James did not write it he authorised someone else o do it.

Just screams a scam to anyone with both eyes open and brain engaged

But it’s beautifully written….it appeals to the English sense of tradition.

Beautifully written? it's full of contradictions, slavery, genocide and contradictions.

Starts with the biggest load of bs with genesis that nothing conforms with the natural world  as we know it and goes downhill from there. Do you lot never look at what the sciences show?

Or is it just blind faith on your part?

Whoosh!!!!

Well thats a telling statement draad, best you can add to the conversation?

No wonder you lot do a piss poor attempt at convincing the rest of us your fantasys are real.

Never mind I didn't expect anything more from brainwashed fools

The funny thing is Crusaderfan doesn't know how the universe came into being. Yet he knows it wasn't God. 

Can I repeat that.