The Red Heifer ...

HEY OLD CRUST CAN YOU SEE THE IRREFUTABLE LOGIC OF WHAT I AM SAYING YET. 

I THINK WHEN THE PENNY DROPS YOU WILL HAVE TO LIE DOWN FOR A MOMENT!

So another god could have made your God?

Why don't you worship that imaginery god instead  of the imaginery one you currently are ass licking?

If a god can be eternal then why cannot everything be eternal, just because this universe is not eternal how do you know that universes have not always existed and as one ends a new one starts.

Your thinking is seriously flawed if you cannot see the possibility.

Now I would say go lay down but I know you are far to stupid to even comprehend the logic of my statement 

Beenshits mind must have gone into meltdown, is it possible he might wake up to reality once his lone brain cell gets a reset.

We can only hope lol

Here you go snowflake, let the christian acrobatics begin as you lot invent BS to get around slavery in the bible.

Theist Makes Excuses for Slavery in the Bible - YouTube

Ofcourse there's slavery in the Bible...it's of this world....you're looking at a 2K pluss YO text with modern glasses...

And condoned by y our supposedly good god, if he thinks slavery is fine he is a anything but a good god.

And you bastards that think slavery is fine because your book of nonsense says so are pricks

You should participate in the next Olympics draad Nadia Comminichi wouldn't have stood a chance against you

Stay off the cocaine Custardfan. It affects your rugby viewing. 

The biggest disservice the religious do to The Bible is to insist that everything in it is true, has to be taken literally and is the undisputed Word of God. The Bible is an incredible document, probably the most complete snapshot of any ancient civilization and its times, but it is also quite human and comprises prose and poetry, history, legend, myth, fable, propaganda, religious law, etc.

I still find it strange how Western people can tie themselves to a Middle-Eastern religion and a culture and way of life they'd probably want nothing to do with if they were dropped in there right now. If you want to see what the world would look like if everyone took The Bible literally, check out radical Islam.

"By that logic we can also claim that the universe has always existed"-Pakie

This violates the second law of thermodynamics ,so the origin of the universe is beyond the realm of science.

we don't know.

Agreed....ons weet niks.

No-one can define nothing and the best we can do is to describe it as an "absence of matter."

so the origin of the universe is beyond the realm of science

Or simply beyond the realm of human understanding. We know much, yet we also know very little.

I however wouldn't fall into the realm  of hard line agnostic who says "it's impossible to know-ever."
  Since scripture says "we know in part but when he appears we will know fully"

Then Crustiman will ask , 'who t.f. is scriptures ? '

I do not spend my time debunking religion, I just spend my time debunking christianity.

I have said many times that I have not excluded a creator I have just excluded this version of such a being because it is blatantly a man made load of superstitious nonsense.

And I have spent way less time than a certain someone on this site promoting it, but I notice you don't call him out on it for doing so. Why is that, you seem to be of the opinion it's OK to spend hours speaking on a topic as long it is something you agree with.

Freedom of speech mate and I will say what I want as often as I want and don't give two fucks if you get upset by what I say. Also your statement on pride/fear laziness applies just as much if not more to the believers on here as it does to non believers like me.

I could post thousands of links to information that proves the bible is false but why would I as I know the vast majority would never watch them out of pride/fear/laziness There are a few  (like Draad) that are reasonably open minded that might take the time but other I can bet would never do it

And I have spent way less time than a certain someone on this site promoting it, but I notice you don't call him out on it for doing so.

Yep, strange that one isn't it.

Bumchum, by debunking christianity on here am I not deepening my understanding by reading the replies to my statements. As I see it I am doing exactly that the only problem is so far all I have got back is what people want to believe with no facts or evidence to support their claims. If they did I would be a christian wouldn't I?

As far as my understanding of reality I spend a most of my free time watching doco's and in the last year predominantly Astronomy what with the JWST telescope opening a whole new understanding of the Universe 

And I came to Thailand to see my girlfriend and my best mate lives here with his fiancée, always amazes me how narrow minded people are, Thailand is a lot more than hookers and booze you know and yes I have been traveling extensively while I have been here.

Maybe you can recommend a country I can go to that will not make you think I am a sex tourist, since your narrow minded opinion is what counts right

Well at least you now understand Adam and Eve was part of the Old Testament. As for you debunking anything….how, with what argument? That you can’t see or communicate with a deity. Now that’s really novel.

The truth is there is no conclusive proof that we exist because of the intervention of a super being, or merely because of chance. In the light of that ignorance, some choose to believe, some don’t. One should respect that choice.

As to the ‘evil deeds’ of religions, there are many more actions that were constructive and actually formed the basis of modern life. Starting with a critical role in education, language, music, medicine and architecture.

Nobody is asking you to believe anything, just not to disparage those who do….when nobody knows. And absent some unlikely revelation nobody will likely ever know. A little humility and maturity would be nice.

Very aptly put, thank you Moz.

It's the half a glass angle...is it half full or half empty...in stead of focussing on what's wrong with the Bible, look for a change at what is right and what is good. For a moment, forget your stance on the existence or nonexistence of God, look at the positive thing s and what it has brought to modern civilization.

…because, if you didn’t know, we’ve heard all the “the bible is not factual and doesn’t make sense” arguments before.

In context of what it is it makes pretty good sense and is a valuable historical, cultural and religious document. It contains all the folly, cruelty, beauty, wisdom of man that you'd expect from such writings.

It's when people try to fit their square bible peg into a round hole of unquestionable divinity that it stops making sense.

Yet most on here don't respect my choice, plenty on here have ridiculed me for my beliefs. Not that it bothers me in the slightest.

You do know having Christian (or any other religion) beliefs does not give you a special pass that others cannot question those beliefs right.

Never had a problem with what people believe it's a free world just don't start enforcing them on others.

Also plenty on here claim they do know, why don't you have a problem with them?

Pakie how can you claim it is a factual historical document when so much of it wrong like we know a world wide flood never happened, the exodus did not happen, there has never been one instance of a talking snake or donkey or do you just discount the ludicrous claims.

Not to mention the absolute insanity of the Noah's ark claim

Pakie you mentioned earlier about Jesus dwelling in  a desert.Not so according to the most respected historian of that era,when referring to Galilee he states:-

It was a rich land and a cultured people. “Josephus (a 1st Century AD Roman-Jewish historian) 

Pakie how can you claim it is a factual historical document

I didn't claim that. What I mean with a historical document is something that provides insight into other times, how people thought, lived, what they believed, etc.

Moonrover sure, I can accept that. If he existed. He'd still be a middle-easterner, not the popular Roman image of a white European with perfectly flowing long hair that the West likes to use. But as his actual existence is up in the air for me so I'm not too fussed.

Pakie, yes you did, you stated it was a pretty valuble historical document.

It might be an insight to ignorant beliefs as they had to believe something but  there is little based on actual knowledge just their ignorant ideas and  they just make up some nonsense while they had no idea of the true facts which is understandable under the circumstances 

"world wide flood never happened. (perspective)..., 

the exodus did not happen. (how can you be so sure?),

 there has never been one instance of a talking snake or donkey or do you just discount the ludicrous claims. (were you there?)

Not to mention the absolute insanity of the Noah's ark claim...exaggerated maybe,  but not that insane...there's other legends with similar stories.

Jusus used parables to teach, logic would sugest that a lot of the tales in the Old Testament are also parables...BTW, I like talking donkeys...know lots of them...die Donkie is 'n wonderlike ding.

Actually ‘world wide’ in the context of a world where travel and communication never went more than 50 miles could mean no more than regional floods. And there have been several documentaries suggesting vast floods did occur….documented in several ways.

Pakie, yes you did, you stated it was a pretty valuble historical document.

And then I explained what I meant by that, if you care to pay attention.

There is compelling evidence for the legends of the ark and the flood having originated during the Babylonian exile when Judeans were exposed to Mesopotamian culture and legend. They were water people living between the Tigris and Euphrates, they had experienced floods and had numerous flood myths. Start with The Ark Before Noah by Irving Finkel for more reading.

Actually ‘world wide’ in the context of a world where travel and communication never went more than 50 miles could mean no more than regional floods

Correct.

Think you need to tell Ken Scam that, and if its a local flood what was the need for the Ark?

Biggest issue you have is no one can agree on anything in your book, if you lot can't agree amongst yourselves how do you expect a non believer too?

"...how do you expect a non believer too?"

We don't....and you keep in p!$$!ng on something you don't come close to understand.

So questioning your bible's is just pissing on it is it. You do know your beliefs are not sacrosanct and beyond question don't you.

But doesn't surprise me you cannot struggle with criticism as you must be very uncomfortable with all the mental gymnastics to maintain your beliefs that you were indoctrinated with.