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The WSJ reports 14 of 15 points presented to Iran

Started by Mozart85 REPLIES952 VIEWS· 25 Mar 2026, 15:49
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DA
Devil's Advocate
Pro7,008 posts
26 Mar 2026, 16:43#21

But hey thank god the US didn't vote Kamala right...things would be so much worse by now.

We all know that you would have taken her instead of Trump....and Harris would have told Putin that it was a really bad thing that he did with Ukraine ..... she would have really given it to him.

But Trump was trying to make a deal with Putin, so you were automatically anti Putin. To find the Woke position ….figure out where Trump is…then regardless of any common sense or morality define the opposite position and that’s where you and the Woke set are. Mindless dislike

Pretty much a spot on assessment of some posters on here

Surveys shows 90% of Maga supporters support the war, there, now you don’t need to wonder

Lol..... ouch

And... if you really want to get to the specifics.... 5 separate indpendent polls on this topic have it at a combined 86.8% MAGA supporters in support of the war.

I guess no more wondering Stav

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
26 Mar 2026, 17:38#22

But Trump was trying to make a deal with Putin, so you were automatically anti Putin. To find the Woke position ….figure out where Trump is…then regardless of any common sense or morality define the opposite position and that’s where you and the Woke set are. Mindless dislike.


What absolute drivel, I was anti Putin from day 1 of the invasion. I was anti Trump-Putin's negotiations because Trump was trying to force a terrible deal onto Ukraine. But I guess by supporting those negations I can simply label you pro-Putin right?


Regardless of common sense or morality, switch off your brain and just call any criticism of Trump woke...because it's just so lazy and easy to do so. No critical thinking required.


Surveys shows 90% of Maga supporters support the war, there, now you don’t need to wonder


Maybe they are. Shows you just how little they have in the way of principals.


We all know that you would have taken her instead of Trump....and Harris would have told Putin that it was a really bad thing that he did with Ukraine ..... she would have really given it to him.


She wouldn't have cut support to Ukraine, wouldn't have tried to force Ukraine into taking a terrible deal. and she wouldn't have started this stupid war with Iran.


Lol..... ouch

And... if you really want to get to the specifics.... 5 separate indpendent polls on this topic have it at a combined 86.8% MAGA supporters in support of the war.

I guess no more wondering Stav


Ouch..not really


5 Separate polls you say.

Here is the percentage of republicans in favour of the war


Pew = 70-75%

Reuters/Ipos = 65-75%

AP-NORC = 60-65%

Quinnipaic = 60-68%

Fox News Poll= 70%


Now tell me where the Democrat and Independents are at.



MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 18:03#23

Regardless of common sense or morality, switch off your brain and just call automatic criticism of Trump woke...because it's just so true. No critical thinking in sight..


Maybe they are. Shows you just how little they have in the way of principles……diversion



5 Separate polls you say.

Here is the percentage of republicans in favour of the war


Oh dear you think Republicans=MAGA….educate yourself man, improve your sources of information.




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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
26 Mar 2026, 19:50#24

Oh dear you think Republicans=MAGA….educate yourself man, improve your sources of information.



Oh so your telling me you have 5 polls/surveys that where able to divide people between normal republicans and MAGA and those show that between 86.8% to 90% of people who call themselves MAGA are in favour of the war.


Would you be chance happen to be able to produce these polls/surveys?

MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 21:42#25

Er nice deflection attempt. You were responding to DA’s post on MAGA with total Republican numbers. You clearly didn’t know the difference..


MAGA or not, the majority of Trump supporters back strikes in Iran

Share of Americans, split by whether they self-identify as MAGA or non-MAGA Republicans, who support or oppose the joint U.S.-Israel military strikes on Iran, the killing of Iran's supreme leader and the targeting of Iranian military, nuclear and government sites.



MAGA

81%

10%

7%

Non-MAGA

61%

16%

19%

5%

Overall

43%

18%

33%

5%

The poll was conducted by Public First from Mar. 13 to 18, surveying 3,851 U.S. adults online. Results were weighted by age, race, gender, geography and educational attainment. The overall margin of sampling error is ±1.6 percentage points. Smaller subgroups have higher margins of error.

Source: The POLITICO Poll with Public FirstAnna Wiederkehr/POLITICO


……


So in this poll only 7% of MAGA respondents disapproved of the war vs 19% for Republicans as a whole. You were confusing Republican support for MAGA support





RO
Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:00#26

Republican=MAGA is about as naive and shortsighted as anti-Bozo=Woke.


I'm the most anti-Bozo person I know and also the most anti-Woke.

MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:12#27


Views of Trump remain central to all this. For most Americans, approval of the war and how it's going is closely tied to whether they have confidence in him or not


MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:12#28

I trust you are satisfied now Anger?

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:34#29

How do they determine whether a Republican is MAGA or not?


If you're Republican or a Republican supporter then you're dumb enough to vote for Bozo. No more need be said.

MP
Mpower
Pro5,061 posts
26 Mar 2026, 23:17#30

Moz, honestly being anti-Trump does not automatically mean anyone is pro-Putin, pro-dictator, or “Woke.”


You say Iran, Cuba, Venezuela are “hijacked by 19th-century dictators” and Trump is not a dictator from the 20th-century??


So People can criticize Trump without supporting dictators anywhere. That’s just basic logic.


Is your “90% MAGA supporters support the war” numbers correct??


This is what ChatGPT says :


- Reuters/Ipsos: 55% of republicans approved the war. Only 27% of all Americans approved.


- AP-NORC: 70% of republicans approved the war. Only 20% of all Americans approved.


- Quinnipiac University: 70% of republicans approved the war. 53% of all voters say USA military action makes the world unsafe.


- CNN/SSRS national polls: 69% republicans approved the war. 59% of all Americans are against the war.


And I strongly wonder who's brain is off when it comes to criticism of Trump. All I am seeing is MAGA supporters on this forum blindly following like sheep to the slaughter...Sounds more like: Heil dem Führer. Who is really the “confused puppies” I wonder?


DB
Death by chocolate
Rookie41 posts
27 Mar 2026, 00:05#31

Even if today the Iranians agreed to dismantle all it's nuclear facilities and today they gave up all it's enriched uranium....what is stopping them from purchasing a nuclear weapon off another bad actor like North Korea tomorrow ?


If you were creating a spy thriller along these lines how would it go?

.

...Arman’s pulse quickened. For years, his nation had been forced to dismantle its reactors, shutter its research labs, and sign treaty after treaty until even the idea of nuclear ambition had become taboo. But now—now the balance could shift.

Now the bully could bleed.

But beneath the surge of vindication, a sliver of doubt twisted in his gut. Once a weapon like this was unleashed, there would be no turning back. No plausible deniability. No mercy.


Chapter One — The Quiet Ashes

The capital city had forgotten how to raise its voice.

Once, its streets had thundered with parades of scientific pride—white?coated engineers marching beneath banners promising a future powered by the atom. Now those same streets lay muted, patrolled by foreign drones that hummed like mechanical hornets overhead. The people walked with their shoulders tucked inward, as if afraid the sky itself might reprimand them.


Minister Arman Dastani watched from his office window as another drone traced a lazy arc over the Ministry of Energy. Its metallic shell caught the morning sun, flashing like a warning. He felt the familiar burn in his chest—anger, humiliation, and something darker that he refused to name.


His country had been forced to kneel. The superpower across the ocean had made sure of that.

They had called it a “non?negotiable security measure.” They had called it “maintaining global stability.” They had called it many things, but Arman knew the truth: it was punishment. A message to the world about what happened to nations that dared to dream beyond their assigned place.


A soft chime sounded from his desk

The secure line...

MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2026, 00:10#32

. Who is really the “confused puppies” I wonder?


I can confirm you are M…..


.

DB
DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2026, 02:52#33

Howzit Card!

MP
Mpower
Pro5,061 posts
27 Mar 2026, 03:02#34

Ok Moz, let me get this straight...you call me confused, but yet you haven’t answered a single point.


You don't list any positives about this war.

So what are the actual benefits of this war??


What we already have from this Illegal and unprovoked war:


- civilian deaths

- rising oil prices

- global economic impact

- long-term instability

- billions are spend on war instead of

actually Making America Great Again

- Analyst all agree that this War will not

remove the Iranian System


So what exactly is the upside??

DE
Denny
Captain12,893 posts
27 Mar 2026, 03:20#35

Moz, honestly being anti-Trump does not automatically mean anyone is pro-Putin, pro-dictator, or “Woke.”

Agreed. I'm anti-Trump as well as anti-woke, and to labor the point, I hold some strong conservative values.


Moz, I wish you would go back to being the Mozart I once knew.


DB
DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2026, 05:39#36

...are you sure he's the only one who have changed?

DA
Devil's Advocate
Pro7,008 posts
27 Mar 2026, 08:09#37

Er nice deflection attempt. You were responding to DA’s post on MAGA with total Republican numbers. You clearly didn’t know the difference..

Absolutely spot on..... I very clearly and specifically referenced "MAGA" in my post.... because I know the difference

...are you sure he's the only one who have changed?

Yeah, some introspection needed here

MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2026, 15:39#38

This from another string but it’s relevant here:


MozartHall Of Famer

49,013 posts

Mar 27, 2026, 15:23



Given how little support Trump has for this mission, both among the insular American public and the feckless Europeans, I don’t believe he will press for regime change. But that would be a right result. Remove these radicals whose fondest wish is an atomic bomb hitting New York.


For almost 50 years the world has tolerated a dysfunctional ME, wars, beheadings, torture of civilians, rigged elections….and pretended it wasn’t happening. The prospects for the Palestinians would improve instantly if their fate wasn’t linked to Iranian Islamic radicals and the whole region would enjoy a revival. Iran itself, a nation of talented people would emerge from the Middle Ages.


The world should be supporting the brave Iranian kids who went out there and protested, and died, up to 36500 of them.


MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2026, 15:47#39

We shouldn’t be whining about the price of oil when kids are out there dying for principles. And I can assure you anybody with a significant portion of their wealth in stocks has suffered a higher percentage hit to their net worth than those complaining about gasoline. Sometimes it takes some sacrifice.

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
27 Mar 2026, 16:00#40

This from another string but it’s relevant here:


It was bollocks the first time you posted it...and it's still bollocks the second time.


We shouldn’t be whining about the price of oil when kids are out there dying for principles. And I can assure you anybody with a significant portion of their wealth in stocks has suffered a higher percentage hit to their net worth than those complaining about gasoline. Sometimes it takes some sacrifice.


The only principle they are dying for is the stupidity of Donald Trump.


You still just don't get it do you....the people who have significant portions of their wealth in stock are not in the same boat as regular people complaining about gasoline. They lose $10 million in stocks its a tough pill to swallow as they console themselves with the other $50 million in their bank account, while for the average Joe on the breadline it could mean he can no longer afford to put gasoline in the car to get to work. The sacrifice's are not equivalent. Are you sure you aren't the reincarnated Mary Antoniette?

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