The WSJ reports 14 of 15 points presented to Iran

For someone who thinks the Ukraine caused the US inflation in 22 you should be very familiar with Bollocks Anger. I’m referring to the kids who died during the Iran elections, are you blaming that on Trump….do work on your comprehension, which is constantly hijacked by chronic TDS,

As for the relative sacrifice of regular people and stock owners….again examine the words. Notice the word percentage Sunshine? The S&P 500 is down by 7% since the war started, I guarantee you ‘regular’ people haven’t lost 7% of their net worth. So my statement was absolutely correct.

Yes they may be experiencing a more severe immediate crunch, but that will come back when this is resolved and there is a glut of oil. As usual you take a statement literally and get it wrong….bombastic and clueless.

Moz, this is complete nonsense.

- Your “insular American public and feckless Europeans” crap is speculation and propaganda.

-Trump should be pressing for regime change, and saying “that would be a right result” is just warmongering ego.

- Your radicals atomic bomb on New-York fear-mongering? Total Bs propaganda and projection. Most Iranians are normal people, not plotting attacks.

- Your 50 year dysfunctional Middle East nonsense? Absolute propaganda. Most civilians are ordinary, hardworking people. And the Real instability?

Largely Israel’s actions, foreign interference, and politics, not Iran. Stop blaming an entire nation.

- Your claim that Palestinians’ fate is tied to Iranian radicals? Wrong. Israel is the primary oppressor.

- Saying Iran would “emerge from the Middle Ages”? Pure elitist exaggeration. Iran has education, culture, science.

Stop insulting millions for your fantasy narrative.

- Your “whole region would enjoy a revival” line? Unrealistic assumptions. Nothing supports that. It’s political fantasy, not reality.

- The Iranian protesters is a tradegy. But what about the kids and civilians killed by Trump and Netanyahu with a Tomahawk missile?? And the ones still dying?? Hypocrisy on full display...

Overall, your post is emotional rhetoric, warmongering, narcissistic, and hypocritical.

You lecture while ignoring real life deaths and suffering caused by this war.

Moz for Goodness sake, stop pretending to be a prophet of war.

You have no evidence, no context, and no moral high ground. Stick to the USA governments shit, and stop spreading lies and warmongering here.

Umm...I believe he was referring to the IRGC and its stranglehold on Iranians.

For someone who thinks the Ukraine caused the US inflation in 22 you should be very familiar with Bollocks Anger.

You mean someone who is correct about Ukraine causing massive global inflation, yes I will call bollocks on such utter nonsense as radicals whose fondest wish is an atomic bomb hitting New York.

And this.

For almost 50 years the world has tolerated a dysfunctional ME, wars, beheadings, torture of civilians, rigged elections….and pretended it wasn’t happening. The prospects for the Palestinians would improve instantly if their fate wasn’t linked to Iranian Islamic radicals and the whole region would enjoy a revival. Iran itself, a nation of talented people would emerge from the Middle Ages.

Yes 50 years of dysfunctional ME...that the US played a major role in making dysfunctional. Beheading torturing of civilians...sure things that the United States allies do in the region...remember what the Saudis did to Jamal Khashoggi...and you talk about rigged elections when Donald Trump tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the US. Again the insane lack of self awareness coming out MAGA land is off the charts. And you know the prospects of the Palestinians would improve if the US would actually force Israel to come to an acceptable arrangement with them, not enable their oppression and war crimes. And another thing...a revival of the region...what's it got to do with the US...stop meddling in the region and let it sort itself out.

I’m referring to the kids who died during the Iran elections, are you blaming that on Trump….do work on your comprehension, which is constantly hijacked by chronic TDS,

I was referring to the people who Trump was sending to die in this stupid war and the innocent civilians that will die caught in the crossfire.

Trump doesn't care about Iranian civilians, or Ukrainian civilians or Venezuela civilians, he just cares about whatever thinks will make him look good. And frankly neither does most people defending this operation...they are just bating for their team. If Trump declared a few weeks that he signed a deal that left the Iranian regime in place you would be all saying, well it's unfortunate about the civilians but it's not our job to save them.

As for the relative sacrifice of regular people and stock owners….again examine the words. Notice the word percentage Sunshine? The S&P 500 is down by 7% since the war started, I guarantee you ‘regular’ people haven’t lost 7% of their net worth. So my statement was absolutely correct.

Get out of that ivory tower of yours. Some people live day to day, pay cheque to pay cheque with no margin for error. Every penny they have is already accounted for, they have zero disposable income...even a slight increase in prices can be the difference between having enough money to eat or to go without.

Yes they may be experiencing a more severe immediate crunch, but that will come back when this is resolved and there is a glut of oil. As usual you take a statement literally and get it wrong….bombastic and clueless.

ROFL...yes that's it be a good little trooper and tough out not being able to eat for between two 2 weeks or 6 months or a year or who knows how long...buy don't worry oil will be super cheap after that and US oil companies our booming!

What's that, what about all the poor people in third world who may get tripped into a famine by this war...shhh who cares...it's America first baby.

- Your “insular American public and feckless Europeans” crap is speculation and propaganda.

He mean's those damn non stupid Europeans. The little men in suits once again proving they are superior class of politician to the morons in Washington...although admittedly that's a low bar to clear.

Your radicals atomic bomb on New-York fear-mongering? Total Bs propaganda and projection. Most Iranians are normal people, not plotting attacks.

Well apparently a spy in Iran has leaked a photo of a new weapon the radicals are building that they plan to terrorize the US with.

Moz, this is complete nonsense.

- Your “insular American public and feckless Europeans” crap is speculation and propaganda.

The american public are solidly against the war because they don’t believe America gains from it…..insular. Europe has blown hot and cold on support…feckless

-Trump should be pressing for regime change, and saying “that would be a right result” is just warmongering ego.

Leave the Ayotollahs in charge and nothing is going to change. Every Arab state is either neutral or for taking out the Iranian military threat.

- Your radicals atomic bomb on New-York fear-mongering? Total Bs propaganda and projection. Most Iranians are normal people, not plotting attacks.

Total BS, except they have enough enriched uranium for 12 nuclear bombs. Fast forward 5 years and they could build one and have a delivery system

- Your 50 year dysfunctional Middle East nonsense? Absolute propaganda. Most civilians are ordinary, hardworking people. And the Real instability?

Read and learn:

n the last 50 years (roughly 1976–2026), the Middle East has experienced

over a dozen major interstate wars, civil wars, and significant regional conflicts, with 10 active in 2023 alone

Largely Israel’s actions, foreign interference, and politics, not Iran. Stop blaming an entire nation.

So Israel attacked itself on October7th, which started the latest conflicts

- Your claim that Palestinians’ fate is tied to Iranian radicals? Wrong. Israel is the primary oppressor.

The Palestinians are dominated by Hamas who want no peace

- Saying Iran would “emerge from the Middle Ages”? Pure elitist exaggeration. Iran has education, culture, science.

‘And it has no free speech, no legitimate elections, no economy apart from oil and total religious intolerance. The young wrestlers who participated in the demonstrations were condemned to death by an Iranian court.

Stop insulting millions for your fantasy narrative.

- Your “whole region would enjoy a revival” line? Unrealistic assumptions. Nothing supports that. It’s political fantasy, not reality.

‘Any region that has endured over 12 majors wars would emerge emerge if that threat was removed

- The Iranian protesters is a tradegy. But what about the kids and civilians killed by Trump and Netanyahu with a Tomahawk missile?? And the ones still dying?? Hypocrisy on full display...

If there was another way to do it I would support it, but with Iran long term saving of lives unfortunately involves short term sacrifices

Overall, your post is emotional rhetoric, warmongering, narcissistic, and hypocritical.

Overall your response is insulting, uninformed and childish.

You lecture while ignoring real life deaths and suffering caused by this war.

Moz for Goodness sake, stop pretending to be a prophet of war.

You know I don’t care about lives huh? Want to know how much I gave to Doctors Without Borders in the last 5 years anonymously?

You have no evidence, no context, and no moral high ground. Stick to the USA governments shit, and stop spreading lies and warmongering here.

Every point I make is supported by logic or facts. You can dispute them and I’m sure some are wrong. This is not a doctoral dissertation and some errors are bound creep in. But to be honest nothing you have said comes even close to negating any point I have made. And every response is pretty much a personal accusation or an emotional rant.

There have been several of these attacks from you which I have pretty much mostly ignored, you do realize that you have been treated civilly I hope. So do try to respond in kind. This is a Board which serves as an exchange of ideas.

I think M is on the beers haha

Guy is emotional as hell

M is on the button with every post . . . as is Stav.

Honestly, if you okes still can't see through Bozo's bullshit you never will.

I ead he above wih amazement and see the shit thinking of some media outlets clearly.

Stav and SB and most others do not understand wha MAGA is, It is just a belief in protection of the USA as a democratic country, It started in 2014 when it became clear that the Democrats developed their own strategy aimed at detruction of the USA as a demcoracy-based country hrough undeocratic means like politizing Judicial processes - open the USA borders - destroyung the USA economy and even proclain their is n o physical differences between women and men, So a woman is described as a childbearig parent and family life must be destroyed through usage of Stalinist eduxaton ideology,

The fact is propaganda fight for the implmentation of Socialist dictatorship in the USA - and for that abuse the election system and riots are and were promoted - while crimials became partners in crime with the DP leadership. So crime is rife in DP controlled states and cities,

The DP stands fpr protection of links to Dictatorial States prepared to bribe the USA Government and promote their people shouting at riots "Death to America". That si we have real ideology opposed to MA GA - it is Destroy America Literally Totally (DALT). Live with it - you are totally absorbed by your own enemies.

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Hey Plum, don’t make claims about me when you don’t know me. I don’t even drink, you fool.

So mind your own business and keep your own house in order. If you want to add something, make it factual.

Otherwise, maybe just keep quiet...that’s a better option for you than lying again!

"I don’t even drink, you fool."

When I read some of the stuff in this section, I sometimes wonder if I drink enough.

"Hey Plum, don’t make claims about me when you don’t know me. I don’t even drink, you fool.

So mind your own business and keep your own house in order. If you want to add something, make it factual.

Otherwise, maybe just keep quiet...that’s a better option for you than lying again!"

What about the time you went to the wine estate and slept in the car on the way back ?

When I read some of the stuff in this section, I sometimes wonder if I drink enough.

I know the feeling.

Moz honestly, your post is full of speculation, labels, and hypotheticals, but it unluckily misses the main point.

This war is Illegal and unprovoked and affecting real people. Supporting regime change and military action over human lives is a position in itself, and that's exactly what you are doing. So you know what, you’re insulting yourself.

You keep calling civilians radicals or projecting threats, but the real problems in the region come from power struggles, foreign interference, and ongoing violence that hits ordinary people.

Blaming entire populations or oversimplifying decades of conflict doesn’t make your argument stronger, it hides the reality.

Your points about protesters, civilians, and the Middle East ignore the human cost of the actions you back. Talking about numbers or regimes doesn’t change the fact that people are suffering.

Pointing out the consequences of this war isn’t personal, it’s just pointing out what actually happens.

So go ahead and call my replies “emotional” or “insulting,” but what matters is recognizing the real world impact of this conflict. Stop lecturing others while supporting policies that cost lives.

Well DB, just to be clear, the Pieter Stef du Toit wine farm visit was back in 2022.

I haven't been drinking for the last couple of years. It's my choice, and that's all there is to it. Believe it or not, I don't care.

Pointing out the consequences of this war isn’t personal, it’s just pointing out what actually happens.

Which would all be more credible if you pointed out the consequences for the Israelis killed in 2024, the Iranians killed protesting the rigged elections this year and the civilians killed by Iran’s deliberate targeting of civilian sites in this war. But complete silence on all that and the only time you are vocal is when there are victims of Israel or the US’s actions.

So forgive me if I find this hand wringing highly unbelievable.

if you pointed out the consequences for the Israelis killed in 2024,

What about the consequences for Palestinians killed in the 2020s in Gaza and the West Bank?

the Iranians killed protesting the rigged elections this year

Were the demonstrations legally authorised? They could still be alive if they abided by the law and stayed at home.

Liberals' disputes are always as funny.

as if this 'excursion' was necessary ...

Any war is an abomination - but it is not when ot comes to Ukraine and in the case of Gaza, When Trump stopd the Gaza War he was selling out the interests of the people of G azaa an the Paletinans. In the ase of the effoprt to stop the Ukraine War - rump was in the pocket of Putin and elling out he Ukrainians - a repeat of the R ussian Hoax xoncoc ted by C linton and Obama - with C linton claiin g s he h as doirect access to Putin;s inner sanctum.

Latest document release indcated hat Obama conocted the lies because they want to undermine Trump's first presidency and now the same BS is repeated on this site, Biden did nothin g to stop the Ukraine War - fact he did everything to aggrava te the situation,

S o on this site we ave members who preach and hope fo continuation of the Wars and now t he story is Ian has humilioated Trump and that is ubelievable garbage. The death toll in the present Warfare in Ian killed less people than th & Ocotober attack by Iran proxies in 2023 - but murder is no problem when committed by Iran nd its procies. In the Civil War in Syria orhestratd by the Ayatollah Regme and the ISIS attacks in Iraq and Syria caused hundreds of thousands of deaths of wo,en and children -but tht wa not a problem/ Wha happened after the collapse of the Iran-sponmsored civil war is not a problem.

When Biden fucked up the dfled of the USA from Afghanistan and 13 sodoers and over 250 Afghans were killed by terrorists in abul - tha was no problem - but he 13 US soldiers killed by Iran attacks caused a major catstrophe for which Trump is blamed,

Amazing - but reality and facts means nothing to the ste idiots - as long as they can spout hatred of Christoanity is an abomination - but Muslim fanaticism is foine as long as they kill and murxder 30 000 protestors it is fine in their books, But by accident a school situated in he same street block and immediately adjacent to an army base ot hit - it wa made out to be a targette atatck on a school - which obviously is BS supreme - the school issue was an obvious accident - but used by Iran propaganda on this site,

Obama and Biden caiued hundreds of thousands more people killed by Iran and its proxies but that is not a problem - but it is a catastrophe if Trump is involved, The bo,bing pf Libya by NATO and the USA was fine - but it caused ovil wars in Libya causing hundreds of thousands of casuaties with Iran prixies invovled - no problem - biut the hated Trump is all occupying their small minds,

If one believe the BS spiked on site by wehst I call villa ge idiots is clearly evident. No they lied and distort the situation further with stories that is so far-fetched,it biorders on them being adherents to the Iran Regime.

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"Well DB, just to be clear, the Pieter Stef du Toit wine farm visit was back in 2022.

I haven't been drinking for the last couple of years. It's my choice, and that's all there is to it. Believe it or not, I don't care."

Good for you, I don't mind if you drink or not...you posted that recently and made it sound as if it happened recently...no skin off my back, I've got no problem with the responsible use of alcohol...in fact, I recommend it.

"as if this 'excursion' was necessary ..."

It was.