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This will shock...the genocide of the American Indians

Started by generaltit6 REPLIES608 VIEWS· 15 May 2018, 22:13
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
15 May 2018, 22:13
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15 May 2018, 22:13#1

The hypocrisy...I don't think anybody will bother...I was aware of this in a small way but not to this extent...horrible...don't be deceived, what you sow you will reap that's for sure.


This is quite a long clip but I felt compelled to share it and I'm convinced it must be truthful...anyway



https://youtu.be/qr-lCJp9v1E

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 May 2018, 15:54
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16 May 2018, 15:54#2

Seb, the world was a different place back then. Hard for us to believe that our forefathers behaved in such ways...but we are not far from similar things happening in this day and age. Rwanda only a few years ago. Humanity can be very cruel.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 May 2018, 10:30
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17 May 2018, 10:30#3

Tx Seb, I've always taken an interest in the plight of the American Indians, years ago I read "Bury my heart at Wounded Knee", it's written by an Indian named Dee Brown. I never realized how bad it was until I watched the video. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2018, 12:33
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18 May 2018, 12:33#4

OK, now dry the tears, take a few deep breaths and put things into perspective.

I haven't watched the entire clip because I was watching while often pausing the clip to do a bot of fact checking.

The first red flag, to me, was the mention of millions of Indians that  Columbus and his men killed. I tried to find the figures regarding the population of the Lakota. I am still trying to find anything but millions? I don't know.

Then I decided to research some of the "atrocious quotes" mentioned. An example of one of them is this one, alledgedly by Columbus:

"They would be fine servants. With fifty we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want"

I found this:   https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/18080/did-christopher-columbus-ever-make-this-statement

There was no hostility towards Columbus and his men but most importantly, this has nothing to do with the American Indians. The phrase comes from Columbus' journals following his first encounter with the Arawak in the Bahamas. 

In addition, there is also this about the Dakota people, of which the Lakota is part of. I was going to copy and paste it but feel free to read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_people

What is more important, though is that, like on so many other cases, stuff like this always seem to be trying to amplify events into something that it is not. We have to put it into perspective. 

When it comes to genocide we have to look at what genocide is according to the UN. 

The United Nations Genocide Convention defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll

There is a lot more on the page that the above link leads to. It also includes the UN list of Genocides by death toll and it is this list that, IMO, brings things into perspective.

The list contains 37 listed genocides with the Holocaust, obviously at the top with between 4.9m and 6m Jews only and between 11m and 17m deaths in total. The first American Genocide on the list is Californian Amerindians Genocide in 33rd spot with between 16,000 and 120,000 deaths.

What is more interesting is the stuff above the Californian Genocide. What about the Herero and Namaqua Genocide by the Germans in 28th spot with between 34,000 and 110,000 deaths? What about the seven different Genocides in the USSR?  One of them is second on the list behind the Holocaust, i.e. the Holodomor (Ukranian Genocide) with between 1.8m and 7.5m deaths.

Hell, even Australia features on that list in at no 37 for the Tasmanian Genocide with between 400 and 1,000 deaths.

I am by no means rubbishing the genocide of the American Indians. I am just trying to put it into perspective. Never ignore the atrocities but also do not make a mountain out of a mole hill.








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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 May 2018, 08:38
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19 May 2018, 08:38#5

"I am by no means rubbishing the genocide of the American Indians."

In "other words" it's genocide...Right! So without reading the full bore of your pompous so called perspective nothing's changed from the narrative....it is and remains ....genocide.

Period.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 May 2018, 15:13
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19 May 2018, 15:13#6

How many did the Zulus slaughter Windpomp?  Do tribal genocides in Africa get a free pass? How about indians scalping whites etc.  Or Japanese atrocities Or the genocides of Stalin and Mao 45 million in 4 years. 

Genocides prove that man is a fallen creature. Hence the need for the rule of LAW. 

Biggest genocide and most terrible of all is the war on unborn children - the most disgraceful act in a most disgraceful aspect of human activity. 

Note in passing the radical left loons objected to President Trump calling Ms 5 scumbags being called animals!! These fiends stabbed a guy 100 times, cut off his head and ripped out his heart. All very satanic stuff and naturally supported by the progressive Satanists. President Trump naturally wasn't phased and said he would always call them animals. Hear hear! W hat a great president!

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
20 May 2018, 13:19
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20 May 2018, 13:19#7

Two wrongs never make a right....wickedness is never fought with more wickedness...it's the same the whole world over and has been since man was created...that's what's wrong here too in SA...many wrongs were done in the past and now there are just as many wrongs today in reverse.

Sinful man, because he is entirely self-centred fails to grasp this still...because truth hurts and is foreign to him.

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