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Trump's vow to 'drain the swamp' is now the 'punchline to a sad joke'

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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
24 Dec 2025, 08:59#1

With President Donald Trump’s massive corruption pulling down billions of dollars for himself and his family, MS NOW producer Steve Benen says it’s easy to forget that Trump originally campaigned on “draining the swamp.”

“As laughable as it might seem in hindsight, Donald Trump told voters that he saw the political establishment as a corrupt cesspool that he’d clean up in ruthless fashion,” Benen said. “… A decade later, amid frequent allegations of White House corruption and reports that the president is profiting from his office in unprecedented ways, that vow has become the punch line to a sad joke. And it’s striking to see the problem spreading in systemic ways as the first year of the Republican’s second term comes to an end.”


The New York Times released a recent report on nearly $2 billion Trump and his allies raised since Trump won his second term. Benen called this “a staggering sum for an incumbent who can’t run for reelection,” which the Times wrote “hints at a level of transactionalism for which it is difficult to find obvious comparisons in modern American history.”

Subsequently, the donors received wondrous hand-outs for their generosity.

“The New York Times conducted a comprehensive investigation. It relied on previously unreported documents and public campaign finance filings, as well as interviews with dozens of people who are familiar with the solicitations or are involved in the fund-raising,” the Times reports. “It traced a large portion of the funds raised — more than half a billion dollars’ worth — back to 346 donors who each gave at least $250,000. It also found that more than half of them have benefited, or are involved in an industry that has benefited, from the actions or statements of Mr. Trump, the White House or federal agencies.”


Benen said “to fully appreciate the scope of the underlying concern,” consider that of the 346 contributors who donated at least $250,000, at least 197 of them, which is more than half, either personally benefitted or their respective industry benefited “from policies of and actions taken by the president and his administration,” including favorable regulatory moves, pardons, the dropping of legal cases, presidential access and more.

“If you’re a voter who genuinely believed Trump’s ‘drain the swamp’ rhetoric ahead of Election Day 2016, I have some very bad news for you,” Benen said.

*******

He drained the swamp for his own and his cronies selfish gain.

Sies!

DA
Devil's Advocate
Pro7,008 posts
24 Dec 2025, 11:36#2

Meanwhile, back at the ranch .... Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Google, AT&T and Microsoft each also gave Joe Biden $1 million in donations for the exact same thing........besides Biden receiving other big cheques from regulated industries.

Also, back at the ranch..... Biden also appointed campaign donors in certain positions within his administration, which in proportion were similar or in some cases even higher than his predecessors, and the names listed below are just a small example, and they collectively gave Biden nearly $8 million.

Jane Hartley

Meg Whitman

David Cohen

Marc Stanley

Denise Bauer

Cynthia Telles

Carrin Patman

Let's also not forget that Clinton did this as well, so did Obama .... and so did Bush, as well as Reagan....

So....... I guess the relevant question is ....... where was your outrage then?

TH
TheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
24 Dec 2025, 11:56#3

It is very funny...Denial of direct environment. Of course, the Biden, the Obama, the Clinton clique were corrupted, this is what Trump explained and what he told liberals he would end. There is something in the liberals' brain that allow them to function the way they work. What is the use of pointing out at the very swamp that Trump told liberals he was going to drain. Should it be understood that because Trump is now the swamp thing, there is no longer a swamp.


By the way, to rub liberals' face in it, liberals do as they are. Trump, Obama, Biden, Clinton, all of them are liberals...

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TheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
24 Dec 2025, 11:57#4

And another funny thing: where the outrage was: in Trump's mouth and Trump supporters' mouth.


That is where it was.

PL
Plum
Captain21,007 posts
24 Dec 2025, 12:13#5

DA, you are dealing with people that far too immature of mind to able to look at these things objectively. Even when there obvious and probably facts staring them in the face.


Old Denny will never actually respond to that. It's one way traffic when one is brainwashed.


I pointed out a similar double standard a while back and was met with nothing but waffle.


It's like trying convince a Jew that not all Muslims are bad or a Muslim that Jews aren't all evil.


...only, at least those religious people can blame a lifetime of religious indoctrination for their mental state. These guys are don't have the mental fortitude to withstand a few years of CNN propaganda.


A total waste of time.

TH
TheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
24 Dec 2025, 12:37#6

Trump obviously is corrupted by republican standards. A republic demands the strictest separation between public matters and private matters. Mixing the two is already sacrilege but using a public charge to strike a private deal and embedding private deals in public matters as Trump has done it is an absolute sign of corruption by republican standards.

DB
DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
24 Dec 2025, 17:02#7

I love how he is squeezing ANC balls...epic, best year in a long while.

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sharkbok
Captain20,097 posts
24 Dec 2025, 18:22#8

American politicians are shareholders, so they represent corporations, not the people.

So the politicians prefer to talk about social issues instead of economics.


The reason that Zohran Mamdani was elected in New York is that he spoke about the economy, but about affordability, rather than GDP.


So until America bans politicians from being shareholders (other countries' politicians should too), they are going to have these problems. Politicians and judges need to have all their financial activity monitored.

Otherwise, politicians can sell Democracy to the highest bidder.


That all said, Trump has brought an even greater degree of corruption.

DB
DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
24 Dec 2025, 20:19#9

LOL...he's actually exposing endemic ANC level corruption...Minnesota cough cough ...


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TheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
25 Dec 2025, 06:08#10

Remember, peeps, liberal societies and criminal societies have a lot in common. When gangs fight over drugs, they do not fight to end the drugs trade, they fight to control the drugs trade.


Liberals apparently are bringing the recipe to corruption as revealed with this deflection about the ANC. It is not about fighting corruption. It is about being the corrupted and corrupting in chief.

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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
25 Dec 2025, 13:39#11

It is not about fighting corruption. It is about being the corrupted and corrupting in chief.


go sit on your thumb & go for a spin. ... :)

DB
DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
25 Dec 2025, 19:06#12

Trad defending the right to corruption...must be one of the ANC cronies...

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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
25 Dec 2025, 23:22#13

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
26 Dec 2025, 21:20#14

And yet no court tested proof of any of these claims….just a bunch of late night laughing hyenas.

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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
26 Dec 2025, 23:56#15

Special request :)

Dear Britain: things are bad, but America will recover from Donald Trump. Just give us three years

Jimmy Kimmel


When the president targeted me and my TV show, millions said no. So don’t give up on us – and always remember, we’re not all like him

Thu 25 Dec 2025 18.00 GMT



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I have no idea if you know who I am, but I was asked to deliver this year’s alternative Christmas message (which I’ve heard is a big deal) so I hope you do, but if not I host what you call a chatshow (we call it a talkshow) in what you call the colonies, I think? I honestly have no idea what’s going on over there.

I do know what’s going on over here though, and I can tell you that, from a fascism perspective, this has been a really great year. Tyranny is booming over here.

You may have read in your colourful newspapers that my country’s president would like to shut me up – because I don’t adore him in the way he likes to be adored. The American government made a threat against me and the company I work for, and all of a sudden we were off the air. But then, you know what happened? A Christmas miracle happened. Well, it was September. It was a September miracle. But the holiday does seem to come earlier and earlier every year, doesn’t it?

Jimmy Kimmel delivering Channel 4’s 2025 alternative Christmas message. Photograph: Channel 4/PA

Millions and millions of people stood up and said: “No, this is not acceptable.” People who never watched my show, people who were on record saying they hate my show spoke out, they marched. They did this all to support the right to a free expression of speech – and because so many people spoke out, we came back. Our show came back stronger than ever. We won, the president lost – and now I’m back on the air every night, givin’ the most powerful politician on Earth a right, and richly deserved, bollocking. That’s a word, right – I used it properly?

And the reason I’m telling you this story is because maybe you’re thinking: “Oh a government silencing its critics is something that happens in places like Russia, or North Korea, or LA, not the UK.” Well, that’s what we thought, and now we’ve got King Donny the Eighth calling for executions. It happens fast.

US presidential candidate Donald Trump appearing on ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live, 16 December 2015. Photograph: Randy Holmes/Getty Images

You know, it’s funny, we Americans are very proud of not having a king. It’s kind of why we left. Earlier this year tens of millions of us marched at protests called No Kings. You had some of those there. And just for the record we have nothing against your king. I mean I don’t know if you know this, but his son lives here. We just – well some of us – have a problem with the guy who thinks he is our king.

Here in the United States right now, we are both figuratively and literally tearing down the structures of our democracy. From the free press, to science, to medicine, to judicial independence, to the actual White House itself, we are a right mess. And we know this is also affecting you, and I just wanted to say sorry. And we want you to know or, at least I want you to know, that we’re not all like him. We’re not all like that.


Look I know (from the musical Hamilton) that our countries didn’t start off on the greatest note, but I also know (from seeing Love Actually) that we have a special relationship. So, if I might speak on behalf of my country – which I most certainly do not – our message to you, our friends across the pond this Christmas is: don’t give up on us. We’re going through a bit of a wobble right now, but we’ll come around. It may not seem like it, but we love you guys. We even love the things about you that you don’t like. Like Simon Cowell, for instance. We are not bright. We’re Americans. No one knows better than you we’re always just a little bit late to the game, but do we come through in the end? Maybe. Give us about three years. Please. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for Spider-Man. Merry Christmas, and happy holidays.


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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
27 Dec 2025, 02:39#16


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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
27 Dec 2025, 04:04#17
Trump Invited White South Africans to America. One Ended Up in Detention.

An Afrikaner flew to the United States expecting protection. Instead, he has spent months locked up in Georgia alongside hundreds of other immigrants.


Listen to this article · 8:57 min Learn more


A detention center in Lumpkin, Ga., where Benjamin Schoonwinkel, an Afrikaner, is being held. Credit...Mike Stewart/Associated Press

By Miriam Jordan

Miriam Jordan has chronicled the shifts in immigration policy through successive presidencies.

Dec. 26, 2025, 2:50 p.m. ET

Benjamin Schoonwinkel took President Trump at his word.

The United States would welcome South Africans like Mr. Schoonwinkel, white Afrikaners who Mr. Trump said had become victims of government discrimination in the decades since apartheid ended and the country’s Black majority gained political power. Afrikaners who claimed past persecution or fear of future harm could come to the United States as refugees, Mr. Trump declared, even as his administration was closing that door to the rest of the world.

In September, Mr. Schoonwinkel boarded a flight from Johannesburg to Atlanta, and on arrival told U.S. border agents that he was seeking asylum.

But he hadn’t come through the refugee program, as the Trump administration had intended. Rather, Mr. Schoonwinkel, 59, had chosen to travel on a tourist visa and to seek asylum.

Instead of being allowed to enter the country, he found himself in handcuffs. Within two days, he was in a federal detention center in rural Georgia, where about 2,000 people who have been swept up in Mr. Trump’s immigration crackdown are being held. He has been there for almost 100 days.


“I never expected this to happen,” Mr. Schoonwinkel said in a video interview this month from the Stewart Detention Center in Lumpkin, Ga. “I expected a little bit of red tape.”

Mr. Schoonwinkel’s case may represent one of the more curious effects of Mr. Trump’s sweeping reshaping of American immigration. An Afrikaner, excited by the president’s public embrace of his community, travels to the United States expecting a warm welcome, but instead confronts the other side of Mr. Trump’s policies: long detentions that have typically entangled migrants from Latin America.

Mr. Schoonwinkel, who speaks English and Afrikaans, now shares a dormitory with dozens of immigrants, mostly Spanish speakers, arrested under Mr. Trump’s mass deportation effort. Like them, he wears the blue uniform of noncriminal detainees, sleeps on a metal bunk bed and earns $2 a day for cleaning duty.

But unlike many of them, who traveled to the United States from poverty-stricken villages in Latin America, he traded a comparatively comfortable life for confinement. And unlike nearly all of the people he is now locked up with, Mr. Schoonwinkel is white — a fact that has led to some bewilderment among his fellow detainees.

“They all ask me, ‘What are you doing here?’” he said.

In February, Mr. Trump designated Afrikaners, the descendants of Dutch and other European settlers, as the only group eligible for refuge in the United States after having halted admissions of people elsewhere who are fleeing war and persecution.


By executive order, he directed his administration to “prioritize humanitarian relief, including admission and resettlement” for Afrikaners who say they have been discriminated against, denied job opportunities and faced violence because of their race, though the specifics of their cases are unclear.


Mr. Trump has asserted that Afrikaners were “victims of unjust racial discrimination” sponsored by the state, a claim disputed by the South African government. Police statistics do not show that white people are more vulnerable to violent crime than other people in South Africa. Mr. Trump has also made baseless assertions that Afrikaners are being targeted in “a genocide.

The first 59 Afrikaner refugees arrived in the United States in late May after applying for the refugee program while in South Africa and being vetted, according the Department of Homeland Security. Dozens more have followed the same process since. Nonprofit agencies that previously helped people fleeing Afghanistan, Sudan and other conflict zones have been tasked with supporting Afrikaners, providing rental assistance, job placement services and other benefits.

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Christopher Landau, deputy secretary of state, greeted Afrikaners in May.Credit...Julia Demaree Nikhinson/Associated Press

“When I saw President Trump brought some Afrikaners to the U.S., I contacted Ben,” recalled Rick Taylor, a friend of Mr. Schoonwinkel’s who had planned to receive him in Arkansas. The two men had worked together for a large U.S. military contractor in Afghanistan.


“I said, ‘I think this is a good time for you to come here,’” he said, adding, “Ben had the money and means to get a good start and make it here.”

Mr. Schoonwinkel, who is single, decided to come on his own rather than through the refugee program, which he said he did not understand to be a requirement. He had gotten advice suggesting that an asylum claim could work in the same way that the refugee program did.

But when he told the officers at the airport that he was seeking asylum, they detained him, apparently following a new federal protocol.

In another era, Mr. Schoonwinkel would not have been taken into custody, but instead allowed to live freely in the United States while pursuing his asylum case. Under Mr. Trump, however, people requesting asylum at ports of entry are to be detained while their cases crawl through the immigration court system.

Mr. Taylor, 63, said he was stunned by his friend’s detention. “We thought he was doing it the right way,” he said.


He found an immigration lawyer to assist Mr. Schoonwinkel.

The lawyer, Marty Rosenbluth, a former anti-apartheid and human rights activist, was reviewing intake files at his office when he learned of his new client from South Africa.

“I assumed he was Black,” Mr. Rosenbluth said in an interview. “Why else would he be in ICE custody?”

“It never crossed my mind he could be Afrikaner,” Mr. Rosenbluth recalled, adding that he knew that group had been singled out for protection by Mr. Trump. “I thought, how could this be happening?”

Mr. Rosenbluth contends that Mr. Schoonwinkel’s due process rights had been violated. His client, he said, should have been released into the country to file an asylum application with Citizenship and Immigration Services.

“He had the right to make his case without being thrown into a hellhole,” Mr. Rosenbluth said.

He fired off emails to ICE, asking why his client had been detained and citing the president’s executive order. He said he received no response.


“The motivation behind the executive order makes it clear he should not have been detained for a minute,” said Mr. Rosenbluth, who said that his client has no other issues that should affect his move to the United States. “He’s probably the only Afrikaner in immigration detention.”

Mr. Schoonwinkel’s immigration case has played out haphazardly in a court system straining under tens of thousands of new proceedings. For a while, his lawyer struggled to get the government to respond or even mount a case against him. Eventually, ICE officials said his tourist visa had been rescinded when he requested asylum.

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Marty Rosenbluth, a lawyer for Mr. Schoonwinkel.Credit...Audra Melton for The New York Times

“Anyone who claims asylum at a port of entry is subject to mandatory detention while the government investigates their claims,” said Tricia McLaughlin, a spokeswoman for the Homeland Security Department.

“If their claims are found to be valid, they will be granted relief,” she said in a statement. “If they are found to not be valid, they are swiftly removed.”


She said that Afrikaners continued to arrive in the United States through the refugee program after being “strictly vetted.” Mr. Schoonwinkel, she stressed, had not entered as a refugee.

In his asylum application, reviewed by The New York Times, Mr. Schoonwinkel said that he had been persecuted based on his race, political opinion and membership in a particular social group.

He said that he had been attacked in December 2014 on his farm by two Black men, claiming that they beat him, tied him up and held him at knife point. The property was looted, he said.

“I lost all my hope of walking out alive,” he said, adding that the attack had left “deep emotional scars.” He said he sold his land over security concerns.

He said that he had notarized documents supporting his claim in luggage that the U.S. authorities had confiscated, along with his passport.


Mr. Schoonwinkel is expected to learn next month when a hearing will be set for him to present the merits of his case.

“This is the most winnable asylum case I have ever had,” Mr. Rosenbluth said. “All I have to do is present all of Trump’s rhetoric, and everything his administration has been saying, about South Africa.”

For now, Mr. Schoonwinkel waits. During the video interview, he appeared and sounded unwell. “We are all sick and coughing,” he said.

Despite language barriers, Mr. Schoonwinkel said he has made some friends in detention. Recently, he cooked spaghetti with detainees from Colombia and Mexico, he said.

He calls his friend in Arkansas almost daily. Mr. Taylor deposits money into his commissary account for phone credits and items like toothpaste.

“I am worried about Ben,” Mr. Taylor said. “I believe President Trump would release him if he knew about this.”

John Eligon and Susan C. Beachy contributed research.

Miriam Jordan reports from a grass roots perspective on immigrants and their impact on the demographics, society and economy of the United States.

See more on: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, Donald Trump



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TheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
27 Dec 2025, 06:52#18

And yet no court tested proof of any of these claims….just a bunch of late night laughing hyenas



When reading this kind of statements as a simple minded person, how this kind of statement can be produced can not be understood. When a simple minded person, there are internal warnings, internal barriers that prevents this kind of statements to be produced. It is physical. Yet liberals brains seem to be organically apt at the production of such statements. And since liberals have no empathy, they are unable to communicate how they can produce this kind of statements.


It is very funny. Liberals can accommodate living in a deep state of deep cognitive dissonance without bothering.


So many consequences to this mere statement.


Perversion. See how liberals hide behind a supposed perfection of their governing system. Since nothing has been proven before a court, nothing that is happening has no ground. They are empty claims. Remember, peeps, most posters on this board are white people from South Africa. They should be very aware following the scam of the end of the apartheid there is no where to hide behind a legal process as imposed by liberals. Any of the Trump administration is unlikely to be prosecuted despite doing things is plain sight. See how liberals invert things: instead of concluding their system does not work, they sell their system as impeccable and therefore the demonstration Trump is doing nothing wrong. Incredible.


Absence of universality: It is another funny statement because people are blown on the boats without due process. The consequences are crushing. Nixon acts as a man who had something to hide. Trump acts as a man who has nothing to hide. His administration acts in plain sight before WeThePeople. US Americans have no autonomy. They are told the alleged drug dealers deserved an illegal sentence (smuggling drugs is not met by death penalty) and they must trust the whole process whereas the Trump administration is crushing liberal tenets left, right, centre before their own eyes and nothing happens. It is incredible.


Which is another demonstration that liberal societies are not democracies.


There is much more to this statement.


TH
TheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
27 Dec 2025, 06:55#19
Dear Britain: things are bad, but America will recover from Donald Trump. Just give us three years



This guy is a trader of words. The US have been exposed in such way it is no longer possible to recover from. Liberalism is exposed. The US are going to stage a recovery, covering with paints scratches here and there but the situation is now terminal.

TH
TheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
27 Dec 2025, 06:59#20

Trad defending the right to corruption...must be one of the ANC cronies...


See how liberals are addicted to submission. Another blatant assertion that is known to be incorrect yet liberals expect people to form a positive consensus on it. It is how liberals gauge submission.

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