Ukraine Counter Offensive Strategy

Liberals clinging to their delusion.

Oh FFS.

All the examples refer to the Ukraine as included in the soviets.

So Ukrainian's past history of collaborating with the Nazi's is evidence that modern Ukrainian's are Nazi's while Ukrainian's past history of fighting against the Nazi's in even larger numbers than those that colloborated during the same time period is what irrelevant? 

The Ukraine population is divided as any other population. Populations  have been supporting the soviets as they have been supported nazis.

Yes divided between Ukrainian nationalism and between those who favour closer ties with Russia. Its not a question of modern Ukraine supporting Soviets or Nazi's. Far right political parties in Ukraine only have fringe support.

Current Ukraine has promoted the nazi side in an effort to decouple from Russia.

Bollocks, Ukraine is not promoting Nazism. That's a Russian lie plain and simple.

Liberals have a high tolerance to contradiction, they appeal to the soviet past of the Ukraine while what, the current brand of national heroes fought against the soviets and were chosen for that contribution among other things.

Again more Russian propaganda. The likes of Bandera are celebrated for fighting for Ukrainian nationalism, the majority that do celebrate Bandera tend to play down or ignore his fascist nature and his attempts at collaborating with the Nazi's no celebrate that aspect of his life. 

Stav

If the  coup in 2014 was not organized  and funded by the USA - what about Nuland discussing the appointment of a new Interim President and Cabinet Members.   The members she dealt with was in fact appointed at Interim leaders.   

The funding went through the USA embassy in Kiev and the discussion with the organizers  who spent months in Kiev between October 2013 and February 2014.   What was she doing there?       

If the  coup in 2014 was not organized  and funded by the USA - what about Nuland discussing the appointment of a new Interim President and Cabinet Members.   The members she dealt with was in fact appointed at Interim leaders.

You mean the phone conversation Russia tapped then leaked part of.

Yes they where discussing who would be the best choices to take over Ukraine in the interim following the revolution and came to the conclusion that it due to his economic experience the best choice would be Arseniy Yatsenyuk...the leader of main Ukrainian opposition party! you know the person most likely to take over once Yanukovych was toppled.

The funding went through the USA embassy in Kiev and the discussion with the organizers  who spent months in Kiev between October 2013 and February 2014.   What was she doing there?   

What funding?. Link to evidence or you're just talking rubbish.

A lot of non issues, non questions, emptiness.

So Ukrainian's past history of collaborating with the Nazi's is evidence that modern Ukrainian's are Nazi's while Ukrainian's past history of fighting against the Nazi's in even larger numbers than those that colloborated during the same time period is what irrelevant?

It was made irrelevant as the Ukrainian population picked a side.

During WW2, populations were divided as usual. In occupied countries for example, people collaborated as people fought the invader.

After the war, countries usually picked up the side that fought Nazis.

Germans who fought nazism sometimes came back to home just to take their burden as Germans who supported nazism.

Yes divided between Ukrainian nationalism and between those who favour closer ties with Russia. Its not a question of modern Ukraine supporting Soviets or Nazi's. Far right political parties in Ukraine only have fringe support.

What a non sense. The so called nationalist expression is tied to nazism whereas the fight against nazism is tied to the soviets.

Liberal classical high tolerance to contradiction.

As to the far right parties low support, it happens in many liberal countries at the moment.

Liberals to hide the issue they have with connection to far right ideologies rebrand far right policies.

Smoke and mirrors.

Any party adopting far right ideology policies is becoming a far right party. Liberals claim that a left wing labelled party adopting far right wing policies keep being left wing and make the policy left wing.

Already stated, in the Ukraine, people have been molded to be culturally compatible with nazism.

Political labels do not matter.

 The likes of Bandera are celebrated for fighting for Ukrainian nationalism, the majority that do celebrate Bandera tend to play down or ignore his fascist nature and his attempts at collaborating with the Nazi's no celebrate that aspect of his life.

What a disgusting dissociation. As if national socialism was incompatible with nationalism.

Liberals, as always, cherrypicking.

Nothing surprising, liberals while claiming to promote freedom have a long history of worshipping slavers.

Ah, yes, that is how that so called new trend cancel culture, liberals are used to doing it for a long, long time.

A lot of non issues, non questions, emptiness.

Do you even have the slightest clue how to talk like a normal person?

It was made irrelevant as the Ukrainian population picked a side.

Yes they overwhelming picked the anti Nazi side. 

During WW2, populations were divided as usual. In occupied countries for example, people collaborated as people fought the invader.

Love the use of the term divided. Can allow people to think the two side where equal.

After the war, countries usually picked up the side that fought Nazis.

As did Ukraine.

Germans who fought nazism sometimes came back to home just to take their burden as Germans who supported nazism.

And that's relevant why?

What a non sense. The so called nationalist expression is tied to nazism whereas the fight against nazism is tied to the soviets.

Bollocks. Show me where in Ukraine where there is widespread support for Nazi-esque policies.

Liberal classical high tolerance to contradiction.

Stop already, we get it you like using the word liberal, despite having no clue what it means.

As to the far right parties low support, it happens in many liberal countries at the moment.

Liberals to hide the issue they have with connection to far right ideologies rebrand far right policies.

You know Russia has far right parties too you know. Gasp are they a Nazi state that needs to be invaded?

Smoke and mirrors.

LOL.

Any party adopting far right ideology policies is becoming a far right party. Liberals claim that a left wing labelled party adopting far right wing policies keep being left wing and make the policy left wing.

What the absolute fuck?

Already stated, in the Ukraine, people have been molded to be culturally compatible with nazism.

Political labels do not matter.

What's been moulded is your brain into believing absolute shite.

What a disgusting dissociation. As if national socialism was incompatible with nationalism.

What's disgusting is labelling a country as Nazi compatible, particularly one that suffered so much at the hands of the Nazi's.

Liberals, as always, cherrypicking.

Nothing surprising, liberals while claiming to promote freedom have a long history of worshipping slavers.

Ah, yes, that is how that so called new trend cancel culture, liberals are used to doing it for a long,

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Stav

The story Nuland told the viewers on a video  discussed the formation of the new Interim  Ukraine Government.   Every person she discussed on the video got the job he should get.>   That leaked letter I read though and who claimed the transcript was falsified?

There is on paragraph I noted in particular Lnard said hey might introduce the choices of the interim Government to  Biden.    At least that introduction happened and Biden smiled when he met the person who had close links to Neo-Naz's in Ukraine and other neo-Nazi suppoerst organizations  outside of Ukraine.    .   

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Stav  remained totally detached from reality.   He believes that the organization of the  protests did not need money for example food supply an even clothing and medical aid to protestors.    Kiev  was totally bankrupt so who supplied  everything for free?    The leaders were on daily contact with the CIA members attached to the US Embassy  where the money was provided.

Then the 1991 referendum to accept or reject the Democratic Constitution.    So the Constitution that was the key issue.    There is proof of the result of the referendum - but no proof of language or culture division in the voting.    So voila the claim that the Tartars voted all to join Ukraine.   Must  say good effort in make-believe.   

Now back to historic FACT was that the referendum was to APPROVE the UKRAINIAN  CONSTITUTION.     The moment that CONSTITUTION was Destroyed - what was the effect upon people's approach to Ukraine in areas mainly comprising of Russian speaking people.   Crimea had an elected authority in the firm of the Crimean Parliament available  to decide what  is to be done  immediately.   So in terms of the example set in 1991 what must be done as to the future return to constitutional governance was illegal - they did not have the power to do so - so who had the power to decide the future?

O - I forgot Stav and is brainwashed created Cloud  Cuckoo Land fairy tale fables      

Stav

The story Nuland told the viewers on a video  discussed the formation of the new Interim  Ukraine Government.   Every person she discussed on the video got the job he should get.>   That leaked letter I read though and who claimed the transcript was falsified?

What video. Do you have a link to it? All I'm aware of is a leaked phone conversation.

 What leaked letter are you talking about and what do you mean who claimed the transcript was falsified?  I've no idea what you're talking about.

Stav  remained totally detached from reality.   He believes that the organization of the  protests did not need money for example food supply an even clothing and medical aid to protestors.    Kiev  was totally bankrupt so who supplied  everything for free?    The leaders were on daily contact with the CIA members attached to the US Embassy  where the money was provided.

Where are you getting your information that Kyiv was bankrupt or protest leaders where in daily contact with the CIA members? Link to evidence or I'm going to assume you're talking shit.

Then the 1991 referendum to accept or reject the Democratic Constitution.    So the Constitution that was the key issue.    There is proof of the result of the referendum - but no proof of language or culture division in the voting.    So voila the claim that the Tartars voted all to join Ukraine.   Must  say good effort in make-believe.   

Now back to historic FACT was that the referendum was to APPROVE the UKRAINIAN  CONSTITUTION.     The moment that CONSTITUTION was Destroyed - what was the effect upon people's approach to Ukraine in areas mainly comprising of Russian speaking people.   Crimea had an elected authority in the firm of the Crimean Parliament available  to decide what  is to be done  immediately.   So in terms of the example set in 1991 what must be done as to the future return to constitutional governance was illegal - they did not have the power to do so - so who had the power to decide the future?

Wrong the 1991 referendum was a referendum on independence. Crimea voted along with every other Oblast voted for an independent Ukraine. You're such a dishonest person.

Love the use of the term divided. Can allow people to think the two side where equal.

No. They were not equal. Which makes the effort to promote one side over the other even more protuding.

You know Russia has far right parties too you know. Gasp are they a Nazi state that needs to be invaded?

Already answered that. Not only Russia has far right parties but they also have Nazis fighting in their army.

What the absolute fuck?

What makes a bottle of water: the label on the bottle reading water or the liquid in the bottle.

What's disgusting is labelling a country as Nazi compatible, particularly one that suffered so much at the hands of the Nazi's.

How revealing. Have to remember one single comment going against the many comments on this board that qualify various SA policies as racist.

Yet the same could be said about SA

What is disgusting is labelling a country as racist, particularly one that suffered so much at the hands of racists.

Liberals, so used to double standards they no longer notice.

we get it you like using the word liberal, despite having no clue what it means.

Wild claim. As a reminder, when liberalism, liberals is used, it is used in the meaning of the political ideology that was set in motion in 1776.

Every knowledge is limited yet a gap between the limits and the rest.

Liberals may find out they are the ones lacking in the knowledge department.